How about this trade? Asley Lelie for JP Losman - The Orange Mane

shiva2999 · 04-27-2006, 09:27 AM

Hey guys, shiva from the Buffalorange here, long time no see.

I wonder if you guys could spare a few comments on a discussion I started on my board?

I proposed the Bills trading JP Losman to you guys for Ashley Lelie.

With the loss of Eric Moulds we need another starting receiver, especially one with some height.

And it seems to me that you guys have no decent backup qb, while Losman is Jake Plummer Jr.

Needless to say, we've generated a lot of comment about the values of both players.

Some guys say no way you'd make the trade, Losman isn't enough value for Lelie.

Other guys say we'd be crazy to trade Losman for anyone, he's a potential superstar.

So, what do you guys think.

Would you be happy to be rid of Lelie if you got Losman in return?

spdirty · 04-27-2006, 09:28 AM

Billy Clyde Puckett · 04-27-2006, 09:30 AM

We could trade you Ash, but no way on Losman. Have no need for him. He is at least a step below Plummer and is a problem child.

ludo21 · 04-27-2006, 09:31 AM

no, we need Walker or Evans from u in return, not a backup QB.

Orange_Beard · 04-27-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by shiva2999

Would you be happy to be rid of Lelie if you got Losman in return?

No. No. No.

IMHO, Saying "rid" of Lelie is an over statement.

Losman sucks.

Arkansas Bronco · 04-27-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

no, we need Walker or Evans from u in return, not a backup QB.

Well not that back up qb.

ludo21 · 04-27-2006, 09:32 AM

Plus, we already have BVP, we dont need a backup

Arkansas Bronco · 04-27-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

Plus, we already have BVP, we dont need a backup

Oh yes we do we need a qb that knows how to pass but definatly not Losman.

Atlas · 04-27-2006, 09:36 AM

I think Losman has some skills and I think he could be a good QB BUT getting Losman this year does nothing towards getting the Broncos to the SB. If Lelie is traded he has to be traded for someone that will help Denver this year.

shiva2999 · 04-27-2006, 09:36 AM

What's the difference between Losman and Plummer?

It seems to me they have the same skill set. Losman's just a younger version.

This is the NFL. Every team is one hit away from losing their starting qb.

You don't think Losman is an upgrade on Van Pelt?

Darkhawk24 · 04-27-2006, 09:37 AM

I want no part of Lossman. Even with Lelie this year we are in need of a WR. So trading Ash for anything short of draft picks or Walker wouldn't be in our best interest.

Keep Lossman as far away from Denver as you can.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 04-27-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by shiva2999

What's the difference between Losman and Plummer?

It seems to me they have the same skill set. Losman's just a younger version.

This is the NFL. Every team is one hit away from losing their starting qb.

You don't think Losman is an upgrade on Van Pelt?

No - Losman always has been and always will be a problem child. I doubt he lasts more than a couple more year in the league.

Darkhawk24 · 04-27-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by shiva2999

You don't think Losman is an upgrade on Van Pelt?

From what I've seen of Lossman I'm not too sure!

Even if Lossman was a minor upgrade to BVP why would be trade a need spot for a backup QB who would probably never be groomed as the starter here anyways?

If that's the case just take the final year with Ash and part ways.

SAGE · 04-27-2006, 09:50 AM

I fail to see how that trade will help the Broncos THIS YEAR. (For our SuperBowl Run).
Were basically giving up our second biggest offensive weapon for someone who dosent know the system and wont see the field.

12th man · 04-27-2006, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiva2999

What's the difference between Losman and Plummer?

It seems to me they have the same skill set. Losman's just a younger version.

This is the NFL. Every team is one hit away from losing their starting qb.

You don't think Losman is an upgrade on Van Pelt?

Plummer is better the Losman. Losman is more experienced than BVP, so if we would get Losman, it would be just for back up purposes. But why would we trade Lelie for Losman? Qb here is not in need. We can trade leie for someone we need, like another receiver. there is no way we get rid of lelie for losman. that's a terrible trade for the Broncos.

Atlas · 04-27-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SAGE

I fail to see how that trade will help the Broncos THIS YEAR. (For our SuperBowl Run).
Were basically giving up our second biggest offensive weapon for someone who dosent know the system and wont see the field.

Yeah but our second biggest offensive weapon doesn't want Plummer throwing to him anymore.

ro_50 · 04-27-2006, 09:58 AM

I must be dreaming after reading that suggested trade by a Bills fan.

Atlas · 04-27-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ro_50

I must be dreaming after reading that suggested trade by a Bills fan.

It sounds like a great trade from the Bills perspective.

fontaine · 04-27-2006, 10:00 AM

The Bills trading Losman already would be openly admitting they've made a giant ****up in drafting him and most NFL FOs ego's aren't going to allow that, unless you're Al Davis and are too out of it to care.

maven · 04-27-2006, 10:01 AM

This trade smells of horse****!

ro_50 · 04-27-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlas

It sounds like a great trade from the Bills perspective.

You are right, its great from their perspective but not from the Broncos.

JP Losman is like Bradlee Van Pelt, only with a stronger arm until proven otherwise.

Old Dude · 04-27-2006, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiva2999

Hey guys, shiva from the Buffalorange here, long time no see.

I wonder if you guys could spare a few comments on a discussion I started on my board?

I proposed the Bills trading JP Losman to you guys for Ashley Lelie.

With the loss of Eric Moulds we need another starting receiver, especially one with some height.

And it seems to me that you guys have no decent backup qb, while Losman is Jake Plummer Jr.

Needless to say, we've generated a lot of comment about the values of both players.

Some guys say no way you'd make the trade, Losman isn't enough value for Lelie.

Other guys say we'd be crazy to trade Losman for anyone, he's a potential superstar.

So, what do you guys think.

Would you be happy to be rid of Lelie if you got Losman in return?

That's a very interesting question.

From what I've seen of Losman, he probably would fare better in the rollout style of offense that Denver runs. He's plenty raw and needs lots of work, but at least he would fit the recipe. A couple years ago, I was complaining when we had Beuerlein because the whole offense was designed for a mobile QB, and everything had to be changed when he got the emergency call.

The problem is that Denver is hurting so badly in the WR department right now. Smith might be in his last year. If not, he's close. Devoe hasn't seen much action, Watts has been a disappointment so far. We don't know what to expect out of David Terrell. We could draft a young WR, and probably will on the first day, but they take a couple years to develop, even when you get it right, which we don't have a habit of doing.

On Buffalo's side, I'm not sure this is a great deal either (unless you view Losman as a complete washout.) Lelie is an awful lot like Lee Evans - - more of a deep guy than a possession receiver - - except that Evans probably has a lot more potential. I guess you could use Ash in the slot.

Money could be a big ssue as well. I don't think the Broncos can afford to pay two guys a starter's salary. It would put us in a situation similar to what the Chargers just had to deal with...

Orange_Beard · 04-27-2006, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiva2999

What's the difference between Losman and Plummer?

It seems to me they have the same skill set. Losman's just a younger version.

This is the NFL. Every team is one hit away from losing their starting qb.

You don't think Losman is an upgrade on Van Pelt?

He would be an upgrade over BVP.
But with the money he would cost, I would rather have someone with more upside.

Lelie is a starter here. He is not a problem.

worm · 04-27-2006, 10:21 AM

Lossman might have a million dollar arm...but he has a .10 head.

Why Buffalo didn't do its homework predraft and find out what everybody on the Tulane campus and in NOLA/SCAL knew is beyond me.

He has ability but is an immature shmuck.

I could see him having a similar career as Todd Marinovich w/o the drug problems. Talented but ultimately a basketcase.

To even compare him with somebody who has heart like Jake is a complete disservice.

Forget the similarity in the styles of play. The other things make JP virtually untradeable, except at a yard sale.

shiva2999 · 04-27-2006, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange_Beard

He would be an upgrade over BVP.
But with the money he would cost, I would rather have someone with more upside.

Lelie is a starter here. He is not a problem.

His upside is why all of Losman's Buffalo fans are enamoured with him. He was the next qb taken after R'berger, Manning and Rivers after all. He has all the tools.

Didn't the 49ers scoff at giving you a 2nd rounder?

I don't think with the sentiments involved that anyone could seriously think that Lelie will be playing for you next year and I doubt you could get a difference maker at WR in return if you traded him.

04-27-2006, 09:27 AM	#1
shiva2999 Solid Starter Drink the Kool-Aid Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 150	How about this trade? Asley Lelie for JP Losman Hey guys, shiva from the Buffalorange here, long time no see. I wonder if you guys could spare a few comments on a discussion I started on my board? I proposed the Bills trading JP Losman to you guys for Ashley Lelie. With the loss of Eric Moulds we need another starting receiver, especially one with some height. And it seems to me that you guys have no decent backup qb, while Losman is Jake Plummer Jr. Needless to say, we've generated a lot of comment about the values of both players. Some guys say no way you'd make the trade, Losman isn't enough value for Lelie. Other guys say we'd be crazy to trade Losman for anyone, he's a potential superstar. So, what do you guys think. Would you be happy to be rid of Lelie if you got Losman in return?

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04-27-2006, 09:28 AM	#2
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,904 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	no

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Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	We could trade you Ash, but no way on Losman. Have no need for him. He is at least a step below Plummer and is a problem child.

04-27-2006, 09:31 AM	#4
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,915 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	no, we need Walker or Evans from u in return, not a backup QB.

04-27-2006, 09:32 AM	#7
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,915 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Plus, we already have BVP, we dont need a backup

04-27-2006, 09:36 AM	#9
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	I think Losman has some skills and I think he could be a good QB BUT getting Losman this year does nothing towards getting the Broncos to the SB. If Lelie is traded he has to be traded for someone that will help Denver this year.

04-27-2006, 09:37 AM	#11
Darkhawk24 Draft Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 3,552	I want no part of Lossman. Even with Lelie this year we are in need of a WR. So trading Ash for anything short of draft picks or Walker wouldn't be in our best interest. Keep Lossman as far away from Denver as you can.

04-27-2006, 09:50 AM	#14
SAGE Solid Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 136	I fail to see how that trade will help the Broncos THIS YEAR. (For our SuperBowl Run). Were basically giving up our second biggest offensive weapon for someone who dosent know the system and wont see the field.

04-27-2006, 09:58 AM	#17
ro_50 Ring of Famer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somewhere in Jersey Posts: 3,782	I must be dreaming after reading that suggested trade by a Bills fan.

04-27-2006, 10:00 AM	#19
fontaine Ring of Famer Go John Manning! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,429	The Bills trading Losman already would be openly admitting they've made a giant ****up in drafting him and most NFL FOs ego's aren't going to allow that, unless you're Al Davis and are too out of it to care.

04-27-2006, 10:01 AM	#20
maven ★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆ Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,757	This trade smells of horse****!

04-27-2006, 10:21 AM	#24
worm Great moments are born... ...from great opportunity Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,947 Adopt-a-Bronco: #20	Lossman might have a million dollar arm...but he has a .10 head. Why Buffalo didn't do its homework predraft and find out what everybody on the Tulane campus and in NOLA/SCAL knew is beyond me. He has ability but is an immature shmuck. I could see him having a similar career as Todd Marinovich w/o the drug problems. Talented but ultimately a basketcase. To even compare him with somebody who has heart like Jake is a complete disservice. Forget the similarity in the styles of play. The other things make JP virtually untradeable, except at a yard sale.