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Old 01-20-2006, 02:18 AM   #576
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Ovy with an average night. Highlight reel goal in the first, assist in the 3rd, and a goal in the shootout. Up to 60 points now and only 1 goal off of Ilya for the league lead.
They mentioned it during the game tonight and I think its getting to the point of valid discussion, that maybe it's time to stop talking about Ovechkin for just the Calder Trophy and start talking about him as a Hart Trophy candidate. I know that he likely won't get any serious consideration for the award because the Caps will likely finish in last place, but in all seriousness, can you think of a player who's been more valuable to his team this year?
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Old 01-20-2006, 09:31 AM   #577
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That's why Stevie isn't liking the new rules too much.
He's had plenty of time to watch the games since he's been injured for the better part of the year. That would explain his low numbers and also probably his pissy mood.
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Old 01-20-2006, 09:35 AM   #578
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Crosby with a goal and an assist. Early third period, 2-2 against NYR.

they need to get some tough guys who can skate on his line - not just goons - but a guy like a draper or something - damn this team makes me sick
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Old 01-20-2006, 09:36 AM   #579
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They mentioned it during the game tonight and I think its getting to the point of valid discussion, that maybe it's time to stop talking about Ovechkin for just the Calder Trophy and start talking about him as a Hart Trophy candidate. I know that he likely won't get any serious consideration for the award because the Caps will likely finish in last place, but in all seriousness, can you think of a player who's been more valuable to his team this year?

caps in last place?

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By JOE MANDAK, Associated Press Writer

Thu Jan 19, 12:52 AM

PITTSBURGH - The Penguins are considering several offers to buy the team, and keeping it in Pittsburgh will remain a priority but is not guaranteed.

A recent offer by a casino firm to build a new arena, an influx of young talent and the NHL's new collective bargaining agreement have made the time right to consider selling, Penguins owner-player Mario Lemieux said Thursday.

``We've had quite a few inquiries over the last few months,'' Lemieux said. ``I think the timing was right to look at them and explore them and see what our options are. ... We've laid the foundation for the future and hopefully in a way that they'll stay here forever.''

Lemieux and team president Ken Sawyer wouldn't identify the interested parties. Most of the prospective buyers approached them before Isle of Capri Casinos Inc. offered last month to pay $290 million for a new arena, if the gambling firm gets a license to operate a slot machine parlor in Pittsburgh.

Lemieux has said the team would stay in Pittsburgh if Isle of Capri gets the slots license and that any new owner would be bound by that agreement. Isle of Capri must beat out three others seeking the license, which isn't expected to be awarded until later this year.

The Penguins' lease on 45-year-old Mellon Arena, the smallest and oldest facility in the NHL, runs through June 2008, and Lemieux has said the team could leave the city if it doesn't have a new arena by then.

Asked why he's not waiting to see if the Isle of Capri deal is approved before selling the team, Lemieux said: ``I said before I'm not going to be the one that's going to move the franchise, and there's a possibility of that happening.''

But Lemieux said the team isn't being shopped in an effort to move it.

``There's some (interested buyers) from out of town, but that doesn't mean they're going to move the team to Kansas City or Vegas or Houston or all the towns that have been mentioned,'' Lemieux said.

Lemieux and Sawyer wouldn't discuss the team's value.

Mike Ozanian, a senior editor who specializes in sports franchises at Forbes Magazine, said the value of all NHL franchises has increased since before the lockout due to the salary cap. He estimates the Penguins are worth $100 million, but would be worth up to 30 percent more with a new arena.

Lemieux and Sawyer said the team isn't being sold out of frustration with its performance - the Penguins entered play Thursday with just 31 points, the second lowest total in the NHL - or because state and local politicians have yet to come up with a deal for a new arena.

``I hope none of you expected Mario to own this team forever,'' Sawyer said. ``He's done more than he should ... and he's teed this up perfectly for the community to jump at a great opportunity for this team to stay here.''

The team filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in 1998, after running up $120 million in debt under former owners Howard Baldwin and Roger Marino. Lemieux's group bought the team out of bankruptcy and he further boosted its fortunes by ending his 44-month retirement in December 2000.
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Old 01-21-2006, 10:37 PM   #582
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Got Spezza?

Sens had best game of the season. Absolute domination.
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Old 01-21-2006, 10:44 PM   #583
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2 more assists for Ovechkin tonight.
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Old 01-21-2006, 11:05 PM   #584
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caps in last place?

Hardly
He's got a team full of guys who should be in the AHL compared to your team who went, spent money and tried to compete for a playoff spot. So who's doing better? The fact that they aren't the worst team in the NHL when they're probably the least talented team in the league by a decent margin speaks volumes about Ovechkin and what he's brought to the team. He has about 15 more points than the #2 and 3 scorers on his team, combined.

Oh, and Mario won the Hart one year on a terrible Pittsburgh team.
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Old 01-22-2006, 08:59 AM   #585
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Love Ovechkin, and he is a superstar for sure.

But I just don't like his celebrations. Celebrate with your team mates and act as if you've scored before.
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He's got a team full of guys who should be in the AHL compared to your team who went, spent money and tried to compete for a playoff spot. So who's doing better? The fact that they aren't the worst team in the NHL when they're probably the least talented team in the league by a decent margin speaks volumes about Ovechkin and what he's brought to the team. He has about 15 more points than the #2 and 3 scorers on his team, combined.

Oh, and Mario won the Hart one year on a terrible Pittsburgh team.

obviously you aren't watching any pens games and i don't blame you. They are by far the worst team in the NHL.

The caps play more as a team and will have more wins than Pitt this year.
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obviously you aren't watching any pens games and i don't blame you. They are by far the worst team in the NHL.

The caps play more as a team and will have more wins than Pitt this year.
That's the point. The Pens actually have talent on their roster and still suck, while the Caps have Ovechkin and guys like Morrisson and Eminger who should not be seeing the minutes they're seeing at this point in their careers. The Caps roster is full of guys who aren't ready or just plain suck, and everyone expected them to finish dead last in the NHL by far. The Caps are an overachieving team.
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That's the point. The Pens actually have talent on their roster and still suck, while the Caps have Ovechkin and guys like Morrisson and Eminger who should not be seeing the minutes they're seeing at this point in their careers. The Caps roster is full of guys who aren't ready or just plain suck, and everyone expected them to finish dead last in the NHL by far. The Caps are an overachieving team.

I guess i don't get your point, the pens are last in the NHL. They will probably win the lotto again *sigh*
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Old 01-23-2006, 05:26 PM   #589
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I guess i don't get your point, the pens are last in the NHL. They will probably win the lotto again *sigh*
And if they are smart, they'll take Erik Johnson.
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They would if they are smart. We'd have whitney, brooks, fluery, crosby, and malkin with johnson that would be a nice foundation
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Gotta love the "my team is worse than yours" banter.

Now that the Broncos season is over and football is essentially done, let's get some more hockey talk going.

Who are the best three goalies so far this season? I'd have to go with Dominik Hasek, Henrik Lundqvist, and Miikka Kiprusoff.

Hasek has a stacked team in front of him, but he's still played well; much better than I thought he would after not playing in the NHL for quite a while.

Lundqvist has kind of come out of nowhere to lead the Rangers to respectibility. If it weren't for Ovechkin (and Crosby and Svatos to a lesser extent), Lundqvist would be an easy choice for the Calder.

Kiprusoff is the leader of the Flames and the Finnish goaltender invasion. He's got a good defensive hockey team in front of him though Kipper still makes big saves at key times.

Outside of my top three, Ryan Miller has been playing good in net for Buffalo and I hope he starts for the US Olympic team next month. Manny Fernandez might be the most underrated player in the NHL, Tomas Vokoun continues to play well under the radar for Nashville, and Roberto Luongo keeps making saves behind a bad team.
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Byran berard tests positive for steroids,http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=151485&hubname=nhl
Andro isn't a steroid. Our trainer had some of us taking that stuff in High School for football. I never took anything like norandrosterone, glutamine, creatine, etc. It is naturally occuring in your body, I guess he just wanted more of it.
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It is a steroid. It's a banned substance. He broke the rules, now he pays the price.
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Andro isn't a steroid. Our trainer had some of us taking that stuff in High School for football. I never took anything like norandrosterone, glutamine, creatine, etc. It is naturally occuring in your body, I guess he just wanted more of it.

Nandrolone http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/nandrolone/nandj.htm

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Hasek has a stacked team in front of him, but he's still played well; much better than I thought he would after not playing in the NHL for quite a while.
I've watched all the Sens games and been to about 10 this season.

Let me tell you, this guy is MVP of the team.

Hell give him the Big Mac, this guy is a top 3 candidate for MVP of the NHL.
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That's the point. The Pens actually have talent on their roster and still suck, while the Caps have Ovechkin and guys like Morrisson and Eminger who should not be seeing the minutes they're seeing at this point in their careers. The Caps roster is full of guys who aren't ready or just plain suck, and everyone expected them to finish dead last in the NHL by far. The Caps are an overachieving team.
I admit I am ignorant regarding the talent level of Ovechkin's supporting cast, but I can tell you with a great deal of confidence that the Penguins dont have "talent" so far as refined guys who ready to make plays every night outside of Crosby. All this talk about the offensive weapons on this team has turned out to be a myth. LeClair....nothing in the tank. Recchin' Ball....same deal. Palffy was skilled but ofcourse he isnt there now and he was not producing this season. He simply wasnt. Gonchar....garbage. Done nothing for the offense and nothing for the PP. Tarnstrom......i have barely noticed him this year, he used to be a point per game defenseman now he is ****. None of these guys scares anyone. There are gritty young players who work hard like Talbot, but he doesnt scare anyone. Tomas Surovy and Michel Oullet (despite his real hot streak a week ago) are bit players. There isnt any offense on this team besides Crosby. Everyone else flat out sucks, or they simply are too young (Armstrong, Christensen who got sent down again, Whitney as an offensive defenseman).

I dont think Crosby is in a better position than Ovechkin in terms of having a better supporting cast. Neither of them have **** to work with.
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mario is going to retire today - well with him and pallfy of the books the $$$ they loose this year should be minimized.

Also in reguards to ovechkin and crosby -

ovechkin is ahead of crosby in terms of development.
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mario is going to retire today - well with him and pallfy of the books the $$$ they loose this year should be minimized.

Also in reguards to ovechkin and crosby -

ovechkin is ahead of crosby in terms of development.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2304087


ITTSBURGH -- Penguins star and owner Mario Lemieux, one of hockey's greatest players, is retiring for the second time, a team official said Tuesday.

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Lemieux, a Hall of Famer who won Stanley Cups and scoring titles and then battled through cancer and heart problems in a comeback, will announce his decision at a news conference later Tuesday.

The team official requested anonymity because a formal announcement had not been made.

Lemieux's retirement was first reported on the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette's Web site.

The 40-year-old Lemieux learned in early December he has atrial fibrillation, an irregular heartbeat that can cause his pulse to flutter wildly and must be controlled by medication.

Lemieux, the NHL's seventh-leading career scorer with 1,723 points, tried to return a week after being hospitalized with the problem, but it flared up again during a Dec. 16 game against Buffalo and he has not played since.

Lemieux has been practicing the last several weeks with the intent on returning this season but, with the Penguins stuck in a 10-game losing streak and with no hope of them making the playoffs, decided to quit playing for a second time.

He also retired after the 1996-97 season following years of back problems and a 1993 cancer scare in which he was diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease, but he returned midway through the 2000-01 season and has played since.

However, he has again fought through injuries -- including two major hip problems -- that caused him to miss most of the 2001-02 and 2003-04 seasons. He had seven goals and 15 assists in 26 games this season.

Lemieux, a first-ballot Hall of Fame inductee in 1997, led the Penguins -- the NHL's worst team before he was drafted in 1984 -- to successive Stanley Cup championships in 1991 and 1992. He won six NHL scoring titles, three MVP awards and two Conn Smythe awards as the Stanley Cup playoffs MVP.

Lemieux, who wore No. 66 throughout his career, scored 690 goals and had 1,033 assists in 915 career games. He also became the first major pro sports star to buy the team for which he played, assembling a group that bought the team in federal bankruptcy court in 1999.

Lemieux's group has owned the team since but announced last week it is selling -- a possible prelude to the team leaving Pittsburgh in June 2007. The team has partnered with a casino company that is promising to build the Penguins a new $290 million arena if it obtains a slot machine parlor license for downtown Pittsburgh, but there appears to be little hope the team will stay if there is no new arena.

One reason Lemieux is selling is because he doesn't want to be the owner who relocates the team from Pittsburgh.

After his stunning return in December 2000, which surprised even his close friends, Lemieux helped the Penguins to the Eastern Conference final that season but the team has not made the playoffs since.
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ya, that's why i said mario is going to retire today in that post you quoted.
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ya, that's why i said mario is going to retire today in that post you quoted.
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