General Hockey Thread v2.0 - Page 165 - The Orange Mane

Breck Bronc · 05-22-2006, 12:03 AM

I have to admit I was completely wrong about Edmonton's trade for Dwayne Roloson. I thought they severely overpaid for Roli and that seemed to be true the first few weeks after the trade while he was struggling with the Oil. Now giving a first round pick to Minnesota doesn't look like a bad trade at all for Kevin Lowe and company. It just shows you how bad Ty Conklin and Jussi Markannen were.

Way to go, Oilers. I really want to see a Buffalo/Edmonton SCF's, but I hope at least one of the conference finals turns out to be a good series.

Jori · 05-22-2006, 09:42 AM

Tampa Bay shows Brad Richards the money

http://www.tampabaylightning.com/tbl...releaseID=1345

5 years/ $39 million

So Tampa will have about 20 million committed to three players next year in Richards, St Louis, and Lecavalier.

It wouldn't surprise me to see St Louis shipped off for a guy like Giguere or Nabokov.

One thing is for sure, contact negotiations with Tanguay will get more interesting. Both players are 26, have had similar regular season careers and one great playoff year, Tanguay in 01, Richards in 04 (won Conn Smythe). Obviously winning the Conn Smythe gives Brad a fairly significant edge. Still, you have to wonder if Tanguay's camp will be asking for at least $5 million per season. I'm really beginning to believe that Alex may be shipped out if things get ugly.

alkemical · 05-22-2006, 09:48 AM

I think they ship vinny

Mtbrncofn · 05-22-2006, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jori

Tampa Bay shows Brad Richards the money

http://www.tampabaylightning.com/tbl...releaseID=1345

5 years/ $39 million

So Tampa will have about 20 million committed to three players next year in Richards, St Louis, and Lecavalier.

It wouldn't surprise me to see St Louis shipped off for a guy like Giguere or Nabokov.

One thing is for sure, contact negotiations with Tanguay will get more interesting. Both players are 26, have had similar regular season careers and one great playoff year, Tanguay in 01, Richards in 04 (won Conn Smythe). Obviously winning the Conn Smythe gives Brad a fairly significant edge. Still, you have to wonder if Tanguay's camp will be asking for at least $5 million per season. I'm really beginning to believe that Alex may be shipped out if things get ugly.

Ship em' out. I wouldn't mind seeing Mighty Mouse in Avs colors. I know it won't happen......just wishin.....

Jori · 05-22-2006, 07:19 PM

According to ESPN.com (EJ Hradek), Francois Giguere is the leading candidate to become the new GM of the Avs. According to his blog, Giguere has met with Lacroix a couple of times the past few days.

For those not familiar with Francois, he is currently the assistant GM in Dallas, but was with the Avs/Nords organization from 90 to 01.

Swedish Extrovert · 05-22-2006, 07:20 PM

****ty showing for buffalo so far.... i still take edmonton and buffalo in the stanley cup

Jori · 05-22-2006, 07:47 PM

That goal Miller allowed to Williams was just brutal. He was due for an off night and the missing bodies for Buffalo finally caught up. This series has been much more entertaining then Anaheim/ Edmonton. Canes and Sabres are just a joy to watch.

Swedish Extrovert · 05-23-2006, 06:48 AM

That game pissed me off. Buffalo was coming back and had a few mad rushes, then all the sudden Carolina scored to make it 4-1.

alkemical · 05-23-2006, 08:53 AM

The cup finals are going to be mother nature (hurricanes) Vs. Big Oil (The Oil)

Clockwork Orange · 05-23-2006, 05:38 PM

According to Spectors (so take it for what it's worth), a rumor going around is that the Isles are so desperate to dump Alexei Yashin's contract (5 years and $30 million remaining) that they're dangling the 7th overall pick in the coming draft out there to anyone who'd be willing to take Yashin off their hands.

So you can basically get the 7th pick in the draft for pennies on the dollar, but that catch is that you'll have $6 million in cap space eaten up for the next 5 years by one of the most notorious floaters in the NHL.

Breck Bronc · 05-23-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

According to Spectors (so take it for what it's worth), a rumor going around is that the Isles are so desperate to dump Alexei Yashin's contract (5 years and $30 million remaining) that they're dangling the 7th overall pick in the coming draft out there to anyone who'd be willing to take Yashin off their hands.

So you can basically get the 7th pick in the draft for pennies on the dollar, but that catch is that you'll have $6 million in cap space eaten up for the next 5 years by one of the most notorious floaters in the NHL.

I'd do it if this draft was as good as 2003.

Jori · 05-23-2006, 05:54 PM

I've heard that rumor as well. I doubt any team would bite. There is really only one player I'd want to move up for in this draft and that's EJ and he'll be long gone by pick #7.

Clockwork Orange · 05-23-2006, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breck Bronc

I'd do it if this draft was as good as 2003.

Even then I'd be very hesitant. If I knew that I could maybe shame Yashin into retiring before he hits 35 years old, I'd consider it. But he didn't get the name Ca$hin for nothing. I have no doubt he'll hang around and collect every penny while contributing very little. In the age of the salary cap, that'd be real tough to have that much money tied up in a player that you can't even count on to give you an honest effort.

Clockwork Orange · 05-23-2006, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jori

I've heard that rumor as well. I doubt any team would bite. There is really only one player I'd want to move up for in this draft and that's EJ and he'll be long gone by pick #7.

Even with the Avs glaring lack of defense prospects, I'd still move up for Kessel if it were plausible. This league is now tailor made for a player of his speed and skill. I'd grab him and relax knowing that the heir to Joe Sakic's spot as the top line center was taken care of.

Jori · 05-23-2006, 06:12 PM

That's a good point. Sakic isn't going to play forever. However, I'm not fully convinced Kessel will be a center in the NHL. It's all mute any way. No way Kessel falls to #7. It looks like there will be some solid D in this draft and one should drop to 18.

Jori · 05-23-2006, 06:13 PM

The crowd singing 'O Canada' in Edmonton almost brought a tear to my eye. That was truly beautiful.

Clockwork Orange · 05-23-2006, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jori

That's a good point. Sakic isn't going to play forever. However, I'm not fully convinced Kessel will be a center in the NHL. It's all mute any way. No way Kessel falls to #7. It looks like there will be some solid D in this draft and one should drop to 18.

Pretty much, unless the trade for the 7th pick was the precursor to another deal to move up to #2 (which is where Kessel will likely go).

I'm still of the mindset that I'd like to see the Avs dangle the 18th pick & Alex Tanguay out there and see how far they can move up. Then take the $$ they would have spent on Tanguay and spend it on a free agent defenseman.

Jori · 05-23-2006, 06:34 PM

That's an interesting proposal. Tanguay may become difficult to sign and if that's the case, the Avs could dangle him in a trade.

WABronco · 05-23-2006, 08:23 PM

Anaheim is getting murdered.

Clockwork Orange · 05-23-2006, 08:38 PM

Not so fast. 4-3 Oilers as the Ducks score 3 quick ones to get back in it.

WABronco · 05-23-2006, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Not so fast. 4-3 Oilers as the Ducks score 3 quick ones to get back in it.

****

I turned the channel! AHHHH!

SoCalBronco · 05-23-2006, 08:45 PM

This is ridiculous. You cant have 8 seeds winning Cups. I dont particularly care for Carolina or Buffalo but now I am forced to root for them.

Clockwork Orange · 05-23-2006, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

This is ridiculous. You cant have 8 seeds winning Cups. I dont particularly care for Carolina or Buffalo but now I am forced to root for them.

Sure you can. If you couldn't, there'd be no point in having the playoffs.

SoCalBronco · 05-23-2006, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Sure you can. If you couldn't, there'd be no point in having the playoffs.

There is a point to having a tournament. If a team wants to overturn an entire season of very mediocre play merely with 16 wins, than it should be as hard as possible for them to get those 16 wins, not merely having a home ice disadvantage of 1 game (assuming the series goes the full 7). That's not enough of an advantage for the teams that worked hard to excel throughout the season. Its not an issue of well the higher seed should win anyway....anyone can get hot for a short stretch and anyone can win a tight game with a bounce or two. If there is a large gap in regular season performance between two clubs who are facing off in a round, we should go out of our way to make it as difficult as possible for the lower team to advance. If your going to get a get out of jail free card for the entire season, than you really better earn it (beyond merely winning 4 games) in that 4-7 game stretch.

Clockwork Orange · 05-23-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

There is a point to having a tournament. If a team wants to overturn an entire season of very mediocre play merely with 16 wins, than it should be as hard as possible for them to get those 16 wins, not merely having a home ice disadvantage of 1 game (assuming the series goes the full 7). That's not enough of an advantage for the teams that worked hard to excel throughout the season. Its not an issue of well the higher seed should win anyway....anyone can get hot for a short stretch and anyone can win a tight game with a bounce or two. If there is a large gap in regular season performance between two clubs who are facing off in a round, we should go out of our way to make it as difficult as possible for the lower team to advance. If your going to get a get out of jail free card for the entire season, than you really better earn it (beyond merely winning 4 games) in that 4-7 game stretch.

The Oilers have had it tougher than any other team and they've overcome it. They had to face a team that was the favorites to win it all coming in, a team that looked like a machine during the regular season, they beat them. They had to face the team that was the hottest down the stretch in round 2, they beat them. They're now facing a team that knocked off the defending Conference champions and looked dominant in sweeping through the Avs in round 2, and they're beating them. All of this without home ice advantage.

They shouldn't have got this far, but they have. I can't do anything but tip my cap to them. They've earned it.

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05-22-2006, 12:03 AM	#4101
Breck Bronc Roland Deschain The Gunslinger Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,058	I have to admit I was completely wrong about Edmonton's trade for Dwayne Roloson. I thought they severely overpaid for Roli and that seemed to be true the first few weeks after the trade while he was struggling with the Oil. Now giving a first round pick to Minnesota doesn't look like a bad trade at all for Kevin Lowe and company. It just shows you how bad Ty Conklin and Jussi Markannen were. Way to go, Oilers. I really want to see a Buffalo/Edmonton SCF's, but I hope at least one of the conference finals turns out to be a good series.

05-22-2006, 09:42 AM	#4102
Jori US Olympian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,631	Tampa Bay shows Brad Richards the money http://www.tampabaylightning.com/tbl...releaseID=1345 5 years/ $39 million So Tampa will have about 20 million committed to three players next year in Richards, St Louis, and Lecavalier. It wouldn't surprise me to see St Louis shipped off for a guy like Giguere or Nabokov. One thing is for sure, contact negotiations with Tanguay will get more interesting. Both players are 26, have had similar regular season careers and one great playoff year, Tanguay in 01, Richards in 04 (won Conn Smythe). Obviously winning the Conn Smythe gives Brad a fairly significant edge. Still, you have to wonder if Tanguay's camp will be asking for at least $5 million per season. I'm really beginning to believe that Alex may be shipped out if things get ugly.

05-22-2006, 09:48 AM	#4103
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	I think they ship vinny

05-22-2006, 07:19 PM	#4105
Jori US Olympian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,631	According to ESPN.com (EJ Hradek), Francois Giguere is the leading candidate to become the new GM of the Avs. According to his blog, Giguere has met with Lacroix a couple of times the past few days. For those not familiar with Francois, he is currently the assistant GM in Dallas, but was with the Avs/Nords organization from 90 to 01.

05-22-2006, 07:20 PM	#4106
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 15,115 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	****ty showing for buffalo so far.... i still take edmonton and buffalo in the stanley cup

05-22-2006, 07:47 PM	#4107
Jori US Olympian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,631	That goal Miller allowed to Williams was just brutal. He was due for an off night and the missing bodies for Buffalo finally caught up. This series has been much more entertaining then Anaheim/ Edmonton. Canes and Sabres are just a joy to watch.

05-23-2006, 06:48 AM	#4108
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 15,115 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	That game pissed me off. Buffalo was coming back and had a few mad rushes, then all the sudden Carolina scored to make it 4-1.

05-23-2006, 08:53 AM	#4109
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	The cup finals are going to be mother nature (hurricanes) Vs. Big Oil (The Oil)

05-23-2006, 05:38 PM	#4110
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	According to Spectors (so take it for what it's worth), a rumor going around is that the Isles are so desperate to dump Alexei Yashin's contract (5 years and $30 million remaining) that they're dangling the 7th overall pick in the coming draft out there to anyone who'd be willing to take Yashin off their hands. So you can basically get the 7th pick in the draft for pennies on the dollar, but that catch is that you'll have $6 million in cap space eaten up for the next 5 years by one of the most notorious floaters in the NHL.

05-23-2006, 05:54 PM	#4112
Jori US Olympian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,631	I've heard that rumor as well. I doubt any team would bite. There is really only one player I'd want to move up for in this draft and that's EJ and he'll be long gone by pick #7.

05-23-2006, 06:12 PM	#4115
Jori US Olympian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,631	That's a good point. Sakic isn't going to play forever. However, I'm not fully convinced Kessel will be a center in the NHL. It's all mute any way. No way Kessel falls to #7. It looks like there will be some solid D in this draft and one should drop to 18.

05-23-2006, 06:13 PM	#4116
Jori US Olympian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,631	The crowd singing 'O Canada' in Edmonton almost brought a tear to my eye. That was truly beautiful.

05-23-2006, 06:34 PM	#4118
Jori US Olympian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,631	That's an interesting proposal. Tanguay may become difficult to sign and if that's the case, the Avs could dangle him in a trade.

05-23-2006, 08:23 PM	#4119
WABronco WE SUCK AGAIN All dat force Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 4,976	Anaheim is getting murdered.

05-23-2006, 08:38 PM	#4120
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	Not so fast. 4-3 Oilers as the Ducks score 3 quick ones to get back in it.