all for chad jackson

[saleen s28one]

I believe that he will be a good replacement if we trade lelie and draft him with the #15 pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgnHM...chad%20jackson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktpj...chad%20jackson


look how much better he is than all over others in the drills.

[Requiem]

I think he'd be a solid addition too, but just wait until you have guys questioning him when they haven't seen him play. You gotta love MMACQB!

[Jason in LA]

I would be pissed over the pick, but I wouldn't be excited either. WRs are normally projects. Most of them don't have much of an impact during their rookie year. So those of you hoping the Broncos will land a player that will help them right away, it's not going to be from a WR.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by saleen s28one

I believe that he will be a good replacement if we trade lelie and draft him with the #15 pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgnHM...chad%20jackson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktpj...chad%20jackson


look how much better he is than all over others in the drills.

Nice links, now here's one for you.

http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/floridacolumn.htm

Pay attention to the entry at the top entitled "The Slide heard round Gator Nation".

[Requiem]

SoCal, you're too predictable. If you're going to define a prospect as being soft based on one play, that's not a very smart route to go. Gator fans and those who've watched the Gators play will say the exact opposite. If memory serves me right, weren't they getting creamed in that game anyways?

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by Requiem

SoCal, you're too predictable. If you're going to define a prospect as being soft based on one play, that's not a very smart route to go. Gator fans and those who've watched the Gators play will say the exact opposite. If memory serves me right, weren't they getting creamed in that game anyways?

I would heartily agree with the general notion that one play cannot define a prospect. There are some plays though that go well beyond what one usually calls soft to the extent that they are REALLY hard to forget. There are certain things that are well beyond the bounds of a mistake and this is one of them. I havent seen anything like that before in a game. Look, if we bring him aboard I will give him a clean slate. He does have a good deal of ability and he could end up being a very good reciever on that basis. Good size, speed, hands, certainly impressive in the post-season draft related events. Its hard to shake that image though.

There are other, additional grounds that give me reason to hesitate. The big drop in YPC is one. Its been argued that the switch to the Meyer Offense from the Zook offense was a reason. Despite having less oppurtunities to shine (Meyer has said he prefers a 65/35 run-pass ratio), the Meyer offense provides for more big plays than the Zook offense which is the Marshall Offense. From what ive studied, despite both offenses using spread formations, Marshall's relies on more short passing and Meyer's is more big play in the respect that they use alot of audibles when there is an advantage to the defense of more than 1 in relationship to the number of blockers in the box, such that they almost always ensure that its a 1 on 1 matchup with the WRs on the outside with no help on or past the hash deep. They will run their Zone Read and Zone Read Option and Shovel Option and QB Wrap at you and when you outnumber them in the box by more than 1 defender, they'll throw bubbles to the uncovered inside WR and check to their big play passing combinations because they know you can only be in three types of defenses: Cov 0, Cov 1 or Cov 3 and there is no help for the CB in either. A guy of Chad Jackson's talent level SHOULD have a higher YPC in this offense, even though he may not have as many total catches as in the Marshall style offense under Zaunbrecher when Zook was the coach. But he didnt. I dont know why that was but it is a problem.

He has ALOT of ability. But I am really hesitant. We'll see.

[Requiem]

You make a valid argument, and there's a lot of debate going on about why Jackson's YPC was low and all I can say is it's probably him having to go through a few systems. Who knows though. I'm not very high on drafting a receiver early (or running back) but it's certainly a need. I'm a big Jackson fan though, so maybe I'm biased -- but if you're looking for a true #1 to replace Rod in a year or two -- from a physical standpoint and from a potential standpoint -- Chad is as good as it gets.

[Ballhawk]

Still like Hagen more than Jackson. I do not care that he dropped a few balls at the Combine, he is a game day player and would be a great possetion WR. Hate to bring it up but Rod dropped a few his first couple years (hell he dropped one in the probowl).

[CBF1]

Chris Leek is a good reason someone is not considered a "Great" WR. I am a huge Gator fan and I do think CJ is a real talent, But I think we could get a more glaring need position filled that is not a project like any WR in this years draft class. If Maurice Drew is available with our 2nd round pick I would get him in a blind second. MD would be out answer on special teams (kick and punt) returns as well as a great threat as a 3rd down back.

[Broncojef]

Jackson is a combine hero with no college credentials. His claim to fame is he is fast and made some catches. Outside of wasting a first on him I'd rather fill another hole DE/TE/RB with our first rounders and get a solid possession reciever like Hagen who proved himself over his collegiate career and may be had with our second rounder.

[maven]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Nice links, now here's one for you.

http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/floridacolumn.htm

Pay attention to the entry at the top entitled "The Slide heard round Gator Nation".

You keep bringing up that weak arguement.

[RhymesayersDU]

Wow, I'm now re-thinking my spot on the Chad Jackson bandwagon. I'd be the first to tell you that one bad play, or series, or game does not define a career, but there is no excuse for sliding at all, unless there was some circumstance, i.e., getting a first down and wanting to stop the clock for a FG, or whatever. If CJ just slid for no good reason other then to avoid the hit, that's pansy crap.

[maven]

Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

Wow, I'm now re-thinking my spot on the Chad Jackson bandwagon. I'd be the first to tell you that one bad play, or series, or game does not define a career, but there is no excuse for sliding at all, unless there was some circumstance, i.e., getting a first down and wanting to stop the clock for a FG, or whatever. If CJ just slid for no good reason other then to avoid the hit, that's pansy crap.

So essentially the entire NFL wide receivers is a bunch of pansies, since almost all WR's do this at some point or another.

[RhymesayersDU]

Originally Posted by maven

So essentially the entire NFL wide receivers is a bunch of pansies, since almost all WR's do this at some point or another.

You do make a good point. Marvin Harrison is notorious for this, and he's one of the greatest... But... I don't know, it's not encouraging, that's for sure.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

I would heartily agree with the general notion that one play cannot define a prospect. There are some plays though that go well beyond what one usually calls soft to the extent that they are REALLY hard to forget. There are certain things that are well beyond the bounds of a mistake and this is one of them. I havent seen anything like that before in a game. Look, if we bring him aboard I will give him a clean slate. He does have a good deal of ability and he could end up being a very good reciever on that basis. Good size, speed, hands, certainly impressive in the post-season draft related events. Its hard to shake that image though.

There are other, additional grounds that give me reason to hesitate. The big drop in YPC is one. Its been argued that the switch to the Meyer Offense from the Zook offense was a reason. Despite having less oppurtunities to shine (Meyer has said he prefers a 65/35 run-pass ratio), the Meyer offense provides for more big plays than the Zook offense which is the Marshall Offense. From what ive studied, despite both offenses using spread formations, Marshall's relies on more short passing and Meyer's is more big play in the respect that they use alot of audibles when there is an advantage to the defense of more than 1 in relationship to the number of blockers in the box, such that they almost always ensure that its a 1 on 1 matchup with the WRs on the outside with no help on or past the hash deep. They will run their Zone Read and Zone Read Option and Shovel Option and QB Wrap at you and when you outnumber them in the box by more than 1 defender, they'll throw bubbles to the uncovered inside WR and check to their big play passing combinations because they know you can only be in three types of defenses: Cov 0, Cov 1 or Cov 3 and there is no help for the CB in either. A guy of Chad Jackson's talent level SHOULD have a higher YPC in this offense, even though he may not have as many total catches as in the Marshall style offense under Zaunbrecher when Zook was the coach. But he didnt. I dont know why that was but it is a problem.

He has ALOT of ability. But I am really hesitant. We'll see.

Sheesh, I was kinda on board until I read all that, and actually read a little more on the guy.

He is kind of gun shy...let's leave him for Chiefy Nation.

Hey Chiefys...here's your guy

[watermock]

This is a very weak WR class. Try to trade up to get VD who is the best WR in this draft even tho he is listed as a TE. Then hope you have a 22 left to get Lawson and we have allready had a good draft.

The amusement alone of watching VD throwing corners around like rag dolls would be worth the admission price alone.

[Garcia Bronco]

Chad Jackson is in no way worthy of being drafted in the first round.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by watermock

This is a very weak WR class. Try to trade up to get VD who is the best WR in this draft even tho he is listed as a TE. Then hope you have a 22 left to get Lawson and we have allready had a good draft.

The amusement alone of watching VD throwing corners around like rag dolls would be worth the admission price alone.

I'm with you...go for the gold and get the best TE in years.

[broncsyanks]

could someone please explain all the hype regarding chad jackson please? i just dont get it. sinaciere moss has been labeled as the #1 WR and i am trying to understand a little better. and is it worth trading lelie for a unproven guy out of college vernon davis>>? what happened to the great "alexander"

thanks

[FantomForce]

I say we take him no matter what he has already moved up to the number one spot for the WRs today in the ESPN draft special today

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Jason in LA

I would be pissed over the pick, but I wouldn't be excited either. WRs are normally projects. Most of them don't have much of an impact during their rookie year. So those of you hoping the Broncos will land a player that will help them right away, it's not going to be from a WR.

we need a wr more than anything else, but we need someone who can help NOW, and youre right that a draft day wr (even a mid 1st) isnt likely to do that.
maybe a draft day TRADE for a wr?

i dont know.
all i know is that i will be LIVID if we pull a reeves of '92 move and waste a 1st rounder on a qb when we already have a qb in his prime.

jake

[Popps]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

we need a wr more than anything else, but we need someone who can help NOW, and youre right that a draft day wr (even a mid 1st) isnt likely to do that.
maybe a draft day TRADE for a wr?

i dont know.
all i know is that i will be LIVID if we pull a reeves of '92 move and waste a 1st rounder on a qb when we already have a qb in his prime.

jake

Agree with all of that except our biggest need. We at least have two starting WRs. We literally don't have a full starting defensive line. We've got a hole at DT and rotational guys on the ends. We've got one legitimate NFL starter on that line... and he's only really shown it in one season.

But, like I said... I'm with you on the WR/QB thing. I'm all for drafting a couple of project WRs or QBs to groom, but we need impact on the defensive side of the ball, immediately.

[youcandoit1687]

Originally Posted by Broncojef

Jackson is a combine hero with no college credentials. His claim to fame is he is fast and made some catches. Outside of wasting a first on him I'd rather fill another hole DE/TE/RB with our first rounders and get a solid possession reciever like Hagen who proved himself over his collegiate career and may be had with our second rounder.

no college credentials?! no college credentials?! what the F r u talking about? he had 88 catches, they may not have been long plays but 88 catches is still a very very respectable number in a new system.goddam did u do any research on CJ, socalbronco and many others are not fans of CJ but atleast know his numbers. and if u did know his numbers, how could u deny his catch production and say he doesnt have credentials. no college credentials is like under 20 catches or something. what the hell, it ruins my day to hear that crap, how could u think that? i can see that u might say he is more combine hype than college hyper, or that he wont be able to get enough YPC to produce or something like that but holy crap, no college credentials...ugh

im having an iverson...practice!? ur talking bout practice!?
no credentials!? ur saying he has no credentials!?

[footstepsfrom#27]

What good is a 4.3 WR if you have a QB who doesn't have the arm to go deep? Getting Vernon Davis will automaticallly open up more stuff on the outside for Rod and Lelie. I'm not sure what getting Jackson would do, but he's a questionable pick that high in the draft. Some boards even have him in the 2nd round. If we don't move up for Davis, we need D-line help more than anything else.

[watermock]

I'm just not sold on Florida recievers. Call it the Travis McGruff syndrome, we don't need another dog. Give me VD(that always makes me laugh) over that. Someone who drags a corner down the field by his dreds. Predator redux.