Who are the Draft Gurus Wrong About - The Orange Mane

Billy Clyde Puckett · 04-15-2006, 02:23 PM

Just for fun, who do you think the "draft Experts" have rated wrong?

I'll start it off with one:

1. Derrick Hagan - In know he dropped some balls at the combine but he is the all time leader in pass receptions in the PAC 10. Seems to me a few good ones have come out of that league in the past. He has over 1000 yards each of the last three seasons with three different QBs. He runs great routes and despite what a couple of gurus (who obviously haven't ween him play much) he is a good to very good blocker. Certainly not a top ten pick, but shouldn't be kicked clear down the boards due to a couple of drops at the combine.

Requiem · 04-15-2006, 02:37 PM

Mathias Kiwanuka. He was injured for most of this year and it's flat out asinine that what happened at the Senior Bowl, and all this jargon is making him drop that low. I think he'll be one of the better ends to come out of this draft. I don't see how it's possible for a guy to go from top ten talent, to late-second round based on one week.

ludo21 · 04-15-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Guy

Just for fun, who do you think the "draft Experts" have rated wrong?

I'll start it off with one:

1. Derrick Hagan - In know he dropped some balls at the combine but he is the all time leader in pass receptions in the PAC 10. Seems to me a few good ones have come out of that league in the past. He has over 1000 yards each of the last three seasons with three different QBs. He runs great routes and despite what a couple of gurus (who obviously haven't ween him play much) he is a good to very good blocker. Certainly not a top ten pick, but shouldn't be kicked clear down the boards due to a couple of drops at the combine.

YOU TOOK MINE!!!

3. Wroten - Guy has some character issues, but he will make a very good DT in the NFL!!

youcandoit1687 · 04-15-2006, 05:52 PM

im a diehard lsu fan and watched wroten throughout the year, this year was really his breakout year. i never saw any character issues on the field(or off) like taunting,etc. the possession thing was disgusting to watch but he showed deep remorse(i think it was sincere but my vision is a little blurred obviously) and sed he would learn from it and its obviously hurting his previously first round stock so hopefully hes learned from it.

4. i dont know why lawson isnt higher really. i mean he is such a raw talent who has just begun to prove himself.

Clockwork Orange · 04-15-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Mathias Kiwanuka. He was injured for most of this year and it's flat out asinine that what happened at the Senior Bowl, and all this jargon is making him drop that low. I think he'll be one of the better ends to come out of this draft. I don't see how it's possible for a guy to go from top ten talent, to late-second round based on one week.

I couldn't agree more.

youcandoit1687 · 04-15-2006, 05:58 PM

he needs to add to his frame but i think lawson has better value at 22, of course if he gets past say 48 we should prob make a move to get to him depending on who has doen what in front of us. id prefer him over wimbley tho, wed just have to be patient

elsid13 · 04-15-2006, 06:04 PM

Eric Winston Tackle out of Miami- was voted the best offence line player in the ACC this year (not Ferguson), has mobility (former TE, 40-Time: 4.94) and size (6-6 Weight: 310) yet is now a second round pick, should be a top 10 pick.

ludo21 · 04-15-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

Eric Winston Tackle out of Miami- was voted the best offence line player in the ACC this year (not Ferguson), has mobility (former TE, 40-Time: 4.94) and size (6-6 Weight: 310) yet is now a second round pick, should be a top 10 pick.

Gotta look at needs as well tho. If someone needed OL more, id bet they would take him.

youcandoit1687 · 04-15-2006, 06:20 PM

good point ludo. i think that brad smith is getting an incredibly raw deal. im not sure where he is currently rated but he ran a 4.46 and led in most of the combine events. he reminds me a lot of vince young in being a tall(6 4 i think) running threat but he has a better throwing motion. his only problem was his supporting cast i thot. i also think brett basanez was a good QB but i think he is a little too short(?).

Ratboy · 04-15-2006, 06:56 PM

Rod Wright, The guy was the best DT coming out, he decided to stay and had a down preformance year. He will be available with our 2nd round pick imo, although he should be in the first round. We need this guy.

youcandoit1687 · 04-15-2006, 07:24 PM

ya i like rod wright too. i didnt follow him too much this year but i know he had a big part in stopping reggie bush this year. i think ed hinkel out of iowa would be a decent pick in the 6th or 7th. he was hurt this year but is a good player. him and clinton soloman made for a very good receiving duo.

Rohirrim · 04-15-2006, 08:13 PM

Mike Hass will have a much more impressive NFL career than either Holmes or Moss.

VY will not be a starter in the NFL five years from now unless he goes the Randle El route.

elsid13 · 04-15-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

Gotta look at needs as well tho. If someone needed OL more, id bet they would take him.

Both Detroit and Arizona need offense line help, but will go with sexy pick instead. I wouldn't be surprise if the Texans take him in the top of the second. Kubiak will remember another former TE that worked out for him at LT.

youcandoit1687 · 04-15-2006, 08:41 PM

ya thats a good bet and i wouldnt be surprised if the cards,lions, or rams took winston justice if their guys are already gone(huff,VD,VY,etc.)

Killericon · 04-15-2006, 08:42 PM

Jay Cutler.

Arkansas Bronco · 04-15-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

3. Wroten - Guy has some character issues, but he will make a very good DT in the NFL!!

I would have to agree. He had a mark on him for the drug charges but since those are gone now I think he will go higher.

-Slap- · 04-15-2006, 09:43 PM

Tamba Hali is a great example of a guy who's getting downgraded over his measurables. He should be the second rated DE on the board by a clear margin.

Arkansas Bronco · 04-15-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Tamba Hali is a great example of a guy who's getting downgraded over his measurables. He should be the second rated DE on the board by a clear margin.

I still see him the #2 DE on the board. Just alittle small.

Kaylore · 04-15-2006, 10:51 PM

DeAngelo Williams - Injured every season since his junior year in HIGH SCHOOL.

broncohaven · 04-15-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Tamba Hali is a great example of a guy who's getting downgraded over his measurables. He should be the second rated DE on the board by a clear margin.

Agree completely. Pure football player. Would love him at #22.

broncohaven · 04-15-2006, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by killericon

Jay Cutler.

Agree completely. Yet another compared to Favre based on his arm strength alone.

broncohaven · 04-15-2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

DeAngelo Williams - Injured every season since his junior year in HIGH SCHOOL.

Agree completely. Kid has the mileage of a 30 year old.

broncohaven · 04-15-2006, 11:10 PM

Vernon Davis. Scout's have him rated as the #1 TE prospect when in reality he's the #2 overall prospect on the board. (perhaps tied with Mario).

yavoon · 04-15-2006, 11:30 PM

a little over 1/3rd of all players. its just how it is.

yavoon · 04-15-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

Eric Winston Tackle out of Miami- was voted the best offence line player in the ACC this year (not Ferguson), has mobility (former TE, 40-Time: 4.94) and size (6-6 Weight: 310) yet is now a second round pick, should be a top 10 pick.

I still think this is a great opportunity for denver to draft an elite tackle or guard(hey maybe even mangold!) that can play in denver's system and take this line from good to domination.

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04-15-2006, 02:23 PM	#1
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	Who are the Draft Gurus Wrong About Just for fun, who do you think the "draft Experts" have rated wrong? I'll start it off with one: 1. Derrick Hagan - In know he dropped some balls at the combine but he is the all time leader in pass receptions in the PAC 10. Seems to me a few good ones have come out of that league in the past. He has over 1000 yards each of the last three seasons with three different QBs. He runs great routes and despite what a couple of gurus (who obviously haven't ween him play much) he is a good to very good blocker. Certainly not a top ten pick, but shouldn't be kicked clear down the boards due to a couple of drops at the combine.

04-15-2006, 02:37 PM	#2
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,515 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Mathias Kiwanuka. He was injured for most of this year and it's flat out asinine that what happened at the Senior Bowl, and all this jargon is making him drop that low. I think he'll be one of the better ends to come out of this draft. I don't see how it's possible for a guy to go from top ten talent, to late-second round based on one week.

04-15-2006, 05:52 PM	#4
youcandoit1687 homer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,602 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Myers	im a diehard lsu fan and watched wroten throughout the year, this year was really his breakout year. i never saw any character issues on the field(or off) like taunting,etc. the possession thing was disgusting to watch but he showed deep remorse(i think it was sincere but my vision is a little blurred obviously) and sed he would learn from it and its obviously hurting his previously first round stock so hopefully hes learned from it. 4. i dont know why lawson isnt higher really. i mean he is such a raw talent who has just begun to prove himself.

04-15-2006, 05:58 PM	#6
youcandoit1687 homer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,602 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Myers	he needs to add to his frame but i think lawson has better value at 22, of course if he gets past say 48 we should prob make a move to get to him depending on who has doen what in front of us. id prefer him over wimbley tho, wed just have to be patient

04-15-2006, 06:04 PM	#7
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,079	Eric Winston Tackle out of Miami- was voted the best offence line player in the ACC this year (not Ferguson), has mobility (former TE, 40-Time: 4.94) and size (6-6 Weight: 310) yet is now a second round pick, should be a top 10 pick.

04-15-2006, 06:20 PM	#9
youcandoit1687 homer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,602 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Myers	good point ludo. i think that brad smith is getting an incredibly raw deal. im not sure where he is currently rated but he ran a 4.46 and led in most of the combine events. he reminds me a lot of vince young in being a tall(6 4 i think) running threat but he has a better throwing motion. his only problem was his supporting cast i thot. i also think brett basanez was a good QB but i think he is a little too short(?).

04-15-2006, 06:56 PM	#10
Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,275	Rod Wright, The guy was the best DT coming out, he decided to stay and had a down preformance year. He will be available with our 2nd round pick imo, although he should be in the first round. We need this guy.

04-15-2006, 07:24 PM	#11
youcandoit1687 homer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,602 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Myers	ya i like rod wright too. i didnt follow him too much this year but i know he had a big part in stopping reggie bush this year. i think ed hinkel out of iowa would be a decent pick in the 6th or 7th. he was hurt this year but is a good player. him and clinton soloman made for a very good receiving duo.

04-15-2006, 08:13 PM	#12
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,791	Mike Hass will have a much more impressive NFL career than either Holmes or Moss. VY will not be a starter in the NFL five years from now unless he goes the Randle El route.

04-15-2006, 08:41 PM	#14
youcandoit1687 homer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,602 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Myers	ya thats a good bet and i wouldnt be surprised if the cards,lions, or rams took winston justice if their guys are already gone(huff,VD,VY,etc.)

04-15-2006, 08:42 PM	#15
Killericon YES A DT!!!!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: From Calgary, in Halifax for School Posts: 7,730 Adopt-a-Bronco: watermock	Jay Cutler.

04-15-2006, 09:43 PM	#17
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	Tamba Hali is a great example of a guy who's getting downgraded over his measurables. He should be the second rated DE on the board by a clear margin.

04-15-2006, 10:51 PM	#19
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,008 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	DeAngelo Williams - Injured every season since his junior year in HIGH SCHOOL.

04-15-2006, 11:10 PM	#23
broncohaven Ring of Famer I'm Orange Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Green Mountains Posts: 2,250	Vernon Davis. Scout's have him rated as the #1 TE prospect when in reality he's the #2 overall prospect on the board. (perhaps tied with Mario).

04-15-2006, 11:30 PM	#24
yavoon Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,260	a little over 1/3rd of all players. its just how it is.