cHARLES sPENCER...HOW COULD WE NOT WANT THIS GUY?

[27atwater]

IMHO, the perfect 2nd round pick for us. Our Oline has been together for a few years, but there are some questions regarding it's future. Foster's contract will be up shortly. nalen will be retiring sooner than later and although we have his replacement already, we will then have a hole at Guard. Carlisle is decent enuff, but could be upgraded. I WANT SPENCER.

I think he could make a huge impact on short yardage and the goalline...where we did struggle at times last year. He is huge and dominant, but is athletic enough to play our zone scheme. He is a former all county power forward and tight end at Poughkeepsie high school, has nimble feet and is extremely athletic. He played 2 years at DT before moving to OG and then OT. He's perfect for us at OG, but w/ coaching and time at the position, he could also be a solid OT for a long time if Foster doesn't stick around. Below are a few draft comments on Spencer:


Charles Spencer OG 6'5 352 Pitt
Charles is an excellent trench warrior and tactician who is drawing rave reviews from the NFL scouts as witnessed by the fact that he was named the 3rd best senior offensive tackle prospect for the 2006 NFL Draft by both the BLESTO and National scouting pools. CDS is as optimistic about him as any. He is a guy who definitely bares close watching throughout the post-season. He is a guy who shows very good feet in space, and he covers an amazing amount of ground quickly in pass pro. He may have one of the better setup steps in pass pro of any of the top tackle prospects for the 2006 NFL draft. Charles is a former DT who plays like it. He is very big, has a nasty streak, always gives good effort and has the potential to develop into a topflight NFL left tackle who could go as high as the late-first, early-second round of the 2006 NFL draft. At worst, he will transition inside where his playing style would make him a safe pick for somebody's starting weakside guard job.

Strengths:
Has great size and a large frame...Is an excellent athlete...Moves well and has good feet for a man of his dimensions...Is extremely strong and powerful...An outstanding run blocker...Shows flashes of dominance at times...Versatile with experience at both left guard and left tackle...Has a defensive players attitude and mindset...A team leader and hard worker...Still improving and has upside.

Weaknesses:
Needs to work on his technique and master the nuances of a single position...Did not have a great senior season when he was moved to tackle and struggled with speed rushers...Dealt with knee and shoulder injuries early in his career...Raw and needs development since he doesn't have a lot of experience on offense.

Notes:
Played defensive tackle his first two seasons at Pitt...Moved to the offensive side of the ball as a junior and really took to it...Could project to either guard or right tackle at the next level...Has all the tools you look for and a lot of potential.

After two seasons as a reserve defensive tackle, Spencer moved over to offensive guard and paid immediate dividends. After a standout junior season at left guard, he played left tackle as a senior.
Spencer is a mountain of a man. He is absolutely huge, and plays like it. He can dominate at the point of attack. Once he locks on to a defender, it is over. He also plays with an attitude on the field. He does not give up on plays and will drive players to the ground. Spencer is also a very good athlete for a player with his dimensions. He moves well for a guard and can adjust on the move. He may bring some versatility as well, having played both guard and tackle at Pitt.
There is still some work for Spencer to do. He is a bit raw on the offensive line because he only has two seasons of experience on that side of the ball. On top of that, he has only played guard for one season, and tackle for one season. He may lack the quickness to play tackle in the NFL, and projects more as a guard.
Spencer has all the talent to be a standout guard. With more work, his natural athleticism may allow him to play at tackle, so he might bring more upside than the other top guard prospects. Spencer looks like a solid Day One prospect, and has a good shot at landing in the second round.

[ludo21]

hmmmm......i doubt we take him, but if we had a 3rd, id take him there.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I like him a bunch. Just slightly behing Joseph in my book. Bring in a real RG and Broncs don't need another RB.

[Requiem]

An interesting prospect to say the least, but he's not on my radar.

[Lestat]

how can we not take him? Stovall or Dain Joseph being on the board when our 2nd comes up, that's how

[youcandoit1687]

but if we already have a receiver, Dline help, and joseph is gone then maybe we address OLine earlier than i thot we would.have any of you heard anything about rudy niswanger at C, he is 6'6 295 and played all over the Oline during his time(because all-everything ben wilkerson was in front of him at center). he has received numerous academic awards and will be able to learn every spot on our oline by the beginning of the year, he could honestly back up every position on our oline and would be a total asset. anytime there is someone who can play 5 diff positions, i think they are worth atleast taking a flyer on. he is not on any draft radars that i know of so we could take him in the 6th. he won strength and conditioning awards in college and has great work ethic. i just dont see why hes not gettign the attention.

[Barry Ramey]

I just don't see the Broncos taking a 350lb guard to play on their o-line. Would be hard to believe a guy that big could do the type of things the Broncos ask their o-line to do, particularly the middle of the line.

[WABronco]

Originally Posted by Barry Ramey

I just don't see the Broncos taking a 350lb guard to play on their o-line. Would be hard to believe a guy that big could do the type of things the Broncos ask their o-line to do, particularly the middle of the line.

He most certainly can do the things asked of a Denver lineman. In fact, that was one of his highlighted strengths...his quick feet and mobility.

Heck yea I'd want him...even at our second rounder (but he won't make it there).

[Elway777]

Spencer would be a great second round pick .I think shannan said he wanted to get bigger in offence line and Spencer could do that. I would keep Spencer at right Guard and not move him to tackle. I also like Joseph and Sims.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Originally Posted by Barry Ramey

I just don't see the Broncos taking a 350lb guard to play on their o-line. Would be hard to believe a guy that big could do the type of things the Broncos ask their o-line to do, particularly the middle of the line.

Spencer moves much better than Carlisle and is much stronger.

[WABronco]

Originally Posted by Big Guy

Spencer moves much better than Carlisle and is much stronger.

He's built like Larry Allen without the extra (extra extra) body fat...

[youcandoit1687]

he might be able to make it at tackle for us. no matter how fast he may be for his size, he will have to move liek he weighs 300. waht kind of run O does pitt have, is it similar to ours?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Originally Posted by youcandoit1687

he might be able to make it at tackle for us. no matter how fast he may be for his size, he will have to move liek he weighs 300. waht kind of run O does pitt have, is it similar to ours?

But Broncs need him at his natural position RG

[Drek]

He reminds me a lot, physically, of George Foster. Big but surprisingly quick. I'd expect us to show interest, but I doubt he hangs out that long. He's got the most upside of any OG in this draft, early second rounder, probably before the much more polished, but lower ceiling, Davin Joseph.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I was wondering when somebody would bring this dude up. Shannahan has a habbit of doing things in the 1st round nobody expects and this would be a classic. Remember that Foster wasn't considered the top OT prospect but he felt he had more upside. Foster played less in college than Spencer has and also had his progress slowed by injuries. I know it's higher than he's projected, but Denver doesn't seem to pay much attention to where others rate the players they like. Carlyle is a liability, average at best, and with Nalen about to call it quits and Hamilton due to move to center, I could easily see us picking this guy with that 22nd pick in the first round. You can't find 350 pound road graders who can move this well very often, which is exactly what Shannahan said about Foster. Somebody is going to take Spencer near the top of the 2nd round...Buffalo has been looking at him...so taking him at 22 wouldn't be that much of a reach for a guy who could provide some seriously lacking power in the O-line.

[SoCalBronco]

If we didnt have so many holes at the offensive skill positions, it would be a strong consideration.

[Clockwork Orange]

I took him in the 2nd round of the OM Mock Draft.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

If we didnt have so many holes at the offensive skill positions, it would be a strong consideration.

TE is our primary weakness and no receiver is worth the #15 or #22 pick IMO...and I'd love to trade up for V. Davis, but Lewis or Klopenstein in the 2nd would make me happy too. I could be happy with Spencer in the 1st if one of those guys came in the 2nd...and maybe Hank Basket or Martin Nance in round 4

[WABronco]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

TE is our primary weakness and no receiver is worth the #15 or #22 pick IMO...and I'd love to trade up for V. Davis, but Lewis or Klopenstein in the 2nd would make me happy too. I could be happy with Spencer in the 1st if one of those guys came in the 2nd...and maybe Hank Basket or Martin Nance in round 4

So would I...

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

TE is our primary weakness and no receiver is worth the #15 or #22 pick IMO...and I'd love to trade up for V. Davis, but Lewis or Klopenstein in the 2nd would make me happy too. I could be happy with Spencer in the 1st if one of those guys came in the 2nd...and maybe Hank Basket or Martin Nance in round 4

What about RB and DE.

Surely those are more pressing needs than OG (im not claiming Cooper is sufficient, he clearly isnt, but Dayne and Tater dont do it for me and we've got slightly more than a load of **** at DE, lets be honest).

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

What about RB and DE.

Surely those are more pressing needs than OG (im not claiming Cooper is sufficient, he clearly isnt, but Dayne and Tater dont do it for me and we've got slightly more than a load of **** at DE, lets be honest).

I was talking about our biggest need among the skill positions since you mentioned that as the most pressing concern. TE is a bigger hole IMO than RB since we at least know Bell can explode and Dayne seems like he's fnally starting to show promise in our stretch zone blocking scheme. What do we have in the middle of the field other than Rod Smith? Nothing at all...zero...zip...zilch...nada.

Putz was no John Mackey but the drop off after him is large. It's so bad people on this board are praying an undrafted FA basketball player with 3 ACL operations will emerge as our starter. We are at the bottom of the food chain in the NFL for TE's and given Jake's game is almost esclusively the short and middle zones instead of deep, a lack of a quality TE is a huge dissadvantage. Davis would be an impact player right now, and other than Reggie Bush, he's the only skill position guy I think is a difference maker immediately...possibly DeAngelo Williams if he goes to the right team. If this is true, it make sense to go with line help over skill position guys high in ghis draft. At #15 I like Manny Lawson if we're going that route. 4.45 speed off the edge on a nearly 6'6" frame...if he adds 10 pounds of muscle we have Jevon Kearse or Simeon Rice. Coming back with Spencer would address both lines with high impact talent. I wouldn't mind Winston Justice at #22 either, but I don't think he falls that far.