Ngata vs Bunkley - The Orange Mane

Nuggets4 · 04-13-2006, 10:15 AM

All right, I am hardly a draft expert which is why I turn to you guys on this one. If I remember correctly, right after the Super Bowl everyone thought that Ngata from Oregon was the top DT in the draft and the battle wasn't even close. People were saying he was a top 10 lock. Now all of a sudden, we have Bunkley (who some thought was a late first at BEST) being listed as the top DT in the draft. My question is why? From what I've read, Bunkley was an underachiever his entire time at FSU. Can someone explain how he leapfrogged Ngata and is now a potential top 10 pick?

ludo21 · 04-13-2006, 10:20 AM

His play didnt help him much, but his physical ability,and workouts were monstrous.

bendog · 04-13-2006, 10:22 AM

That's what I heard/read, plus Bunkley has the potential to do some pass rush damage in the gaps, while Nagata is more a push the guard back like a roadgrader type.

ludo21 · 04-13-2006, 10:26 AM

Bunkley has a higher bust rate imo, but he also has more potential (theres that word again)

Arkansas Bronco · 04-13-2006, 10:28 AM

All depends on what you are looking for. IMO Bunkley is a better one gap DT that also has the speed to put some pressure on the QB. Nagata lacks that speed but he has far more power and is an ideal 2 gap DT. Since i havnt seen him often I cant realy talk him up but the games I have seen it looks like no OL can get him off of them. Looks like a supreme run stuffer.

DBroncos4life · 04-13-2006, 10:29 AM

Wroten is a better passrusher then those two. Ngata is just a huge guy with really good speed for his size. People are very quick to call Chad Jackson the combine champ but then they jump all over Bunkley's nuts like he was a great college player during his stay at FSU. He had a good year last year but the rest would be considered less then avg for a guy his size and strength.

Play2win · 04-13-2006, 10:30 AM

Great topic!!

Its about time somebody started a thread like this...

My, myself, would take Ngata, and would have a combo close to Jacksonville's...

SpringStein · 04-13-2006, 11:43 AM

Bunkley had an outstanding year at FSU. Add his workouts into that and he shot up the boards. Personally I see him as a better complementary DT to Warren, where I see Ngata much more similiar than Warren.

My preference is Bunkley, but unless we trade up, I'll be surprised if either is available. (And I'd be very happy with either one.)

Rascal · 04-13-2006, 11:50 AM

Ngata won't make it to us and Bunkley has a small chance of dropping to us. Ngata is similar to Warren so picking him doesn't do us any favors.

I'd draft Bunkley in a second though. In the OM draft mock I STOLE him with the fourth pick in the second round (JETS). No way he falls that far in a real draft. I would like to get him or Wroten though.

I also wouldn't mind get Rod Wright in the second round either.

Requiem · 04-13-2006, 11:59 AM

Ngata - two-gap duder.
Bunkley - probably a one-gap UT.

RocBronc · 04-13-2006, 02:26 PM

Ngata is not the same as Warren... Ngata plays more the NT in our system (the position that Myers plays) so to get Ngata would be a much better fit. Bunkley and Warren would be competing for the same position.

Rascal · 04-13-2006, 03:19 PM

What?

You got it backwards RocBronc.

cutthemdown · 04-13-2006, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bendog

That's what I heard/read, plus Bunkley has the potential to do some pass rush damage in the gaps, while Nagata is more a push the guard back like a roadgrader type.

I think that is a fair evaluation. Take a step further by saying Ngata a 1 technique tackle and Bunkley more a 3 technique tackle. Ngata is a player that will hold the bubble at point of attack and occupy 2 blockers. Bunkley a guy that would be asked to penetrate more, get in backfield, disrupt running and passing lanes etc. In Broncos case I think Bunkley would fit in nice next to Warren.

TheManeMan · 04-13-2006, 03:38 PM

Ngata doesnt get to the QB...

Bunkley does...

elpasojoe · 04-13-2006, 03:50 PM

Bunkley is the way I would go with pick 1a., but I doubt he lasts that long. There is plenty of value in rounds two and perhaps longer (Gabe Watson, Rod Wright Claude Wrotter ond others.) But to tell the truth, there are red flags on many of these players (character issues, accusations of being lazy and taking off plays) In the long run, wouldn't the Broncos be better off picking a player like John McCargo in the second or even Montavious Stanley in the fourth or fifth round, who are known for their work ethics. At least you get a player you know is trying to improve. I think I am tired of the lazy athlete who thinks their talent will get them by. Does anyone agree?

TheManeMan · 04-13-2006, 04:08 PM

You mean like this POS??

cutthemdown · 04-13-2006, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elpasojoe

Bunkley is the way I would go with pick 1a., but I doubt he lasts that long. There is plenty of value in rounds two and perhaps longer (Gabe Watson, Rod Wright Claude Wrotter ond others.) But to tell the truth, there are red flags on many of these players (character issues, accusations of being lazy and taking off plays) In the long run, wouldn't the Broncos be better off picking a player like John McCargo in the second or even Montavious Stanley in the fourth or fifth round, who are known for their work ethics. At least you get a player you know is trying to improve. I think I am tired of the lazy athlete who thinks their talent will get them by. Does anyone agree?

These kids are all so young I don't think everything about their character is etched in stone. I do feel work ethic can be improved. If a guy is just a bad dude then maybe you shy away. But many players have been labeled lazy and then played hard for Broncos.

elpasojoe · 04-13-2006, 04:39 PM

CUT, maybe you are right. If that is the case and Bunkley and Ngata are not available, give me Wrotten in the second. Still, take Montavious in the fifth round. I love what they say about his work ethic and leadership.

azbroncfan · 04-13-2006, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ludo21

Bunkley has a higher bust rate imo, but he also has more potential (theres that word again)

Sounds like a Denver Bronco 1st round pick then.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 04-13-2006, 05:06 PM

Bunkley is obviously the better pass rusher, but if the Broncs did draft Ngata, they would have twin mountians in the middle like Jax.

Play2win · 04-13-2006, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Guy

Bunkley is obviously the better pass rusher, but if the Broncs did draft Ngata, they would have twin mountians in the middle like Jax.

Exactly, and I think it would set the table for the rest of Defense...

TheManeMan · 04-13-2006, 06:34 PM

So would they try to trade up for either player? Maybe if Buffalo goes elsewhere with their pick? I would personally love either DT...They wont be around at 15 though, thats the problem...they would have to trade up for either...I dont think if they trade up, that a DT is going to be choice...you know what I mean?

Billy Clyde Puckett · 04-13-2006, 06:59 PM

I don't think they are trading up. Four or five really good fits for them could slide.

ludo21 · 04-13-2006, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Guy

I don't think they are trading up. Four or five really good fits for them could slide.

15 is the perrrrrrfect slide pick. We have a chance to get a good player, guys WILL slide, its a fact. Just a matter of who...

I agree, if we get Ngata, we can rival Jax interior, that would be sick!

Ratboy · 04-14-2006, 02:51 AM

I rather pass on both them.

Give me this guy in the 2nd round.

04-13-2006, 10:15 AM	#1
Nuggets4 Requisite Nugs Die-Hard Buffaloes, Buffaloes, Go C-U! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 4,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: Allen Iverson	Ngata vs Bunkley All right, I am hardly a draft expert which is why I turn to you guys on this one. If I remember correctly, right after the Super Bowl everyone thought that Ngata from Oregon was the top DT in the draft and the battle wasn't even close. People were saying he was a top 10 lock. Now all of a sudden, we have Bunkley (who some thought was a late first at BEST) being listed as the top DT in the draft. My question is why? From what I've read, Bunkley was an underachiever his entire time at FSU. Can someone explain how he leapfrogged Ngata and is now a potential top 10 pick?

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04-13-2006, 10:20 AM	#2
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,915 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	His play didnt help him much, but his physical ability,and workouts were monstrous.

04-13-2006, 10:22 AM	#3
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	That's what I heard/read, plus Bunkley has the potential to do some pass rush damage in the gaps, while Nagata is more a push the guard back like a roadgrader type.

04-13-2006, 10:26 AM	#4
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,915 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Bunkley has a higher bust rate imo, but he also has more potential (theres that word again)

04-13-2006, 10:28 AM	#5
Arkansas Bronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,237 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	All depends on what you are looking for. IMO Bunkley is a better one gap DT that also has the speed to put some pressure on the QB. Nagata lacks that speed but he has far more power and is an ideal 2 gap DT. Since i havnt seen him often I cant realy talk him up but the games I have seen it looks like no OL can get him off of them. Looks like a supreme run stuffer.

04-13-2006, 10:29 AM	#6
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,600	Wroten is a better passrusher then those two. Ngata is just a huge guy with really good speed for his size. People are very quick to call Chad Jackson the combine champ but then they jump all over Bunkley's nuts like he was a great college player during his stay at FSU. He had a good year last year but the rest would be considered less then avg for a guy his size and strength.

04-13-2006, 10:30 AM	#7
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,610 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	Great topic!! Its about time somebody started a thread like this... My, myself, would take Ngata, and would have a combo close to Jacksonville's...

04-13-2006, 11:43 AM	#8
SpringStein Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Monument, CO Posts: 2,733	Bunkley had an outstanding year at FSU. Add his workouts into that and he shot up the boards. Personally I see him as a better complementary DT to Warren, where I see Ngata much more similiar than Warren. My preference is Bunkley, but unless we trade up, I'll be surprised if either is available. (And I'd be very happy with either one.)

04-13-2006, 11:50 AM	#9
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Ngata won't make it to us and Bunkley has a small chance of dropping to us. Ngata is similar to Warren so picking him doesn't do us any favors. I'd draft Bunkley in a second though. In the OM draft mock I STOLE him with the fourth pick in the second round (JETS). No way he falls that far in a real draft. I would like to get him or Wroten though. I also wouldn't mind get Rod Wright in the second round either.

04-13-2006, 11:59 AM	#10
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,612 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Ngata - two-gap duder. Bunkley - probably a one-gap UT.

04-13-2006, 02:26 PM	#11
RocBronc Pro Bowler Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 540	Ngata is not the same as Warren... Ngata plays more the NT in our system (the position that Myers plays) so to get Ngata would be a much better fit. Bunkley and Warren would be competing for the same position.

04-13-2006, 03:19 PM	#12
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	What? You got it backwards RocBronc.

04-13-2006, 03:38 PM	#14
TheManeMan Ring of Famer DPOY Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 5,659	Ngata doesnt get to the QB... Bunkley does...

04-13-2006, 03:50 PM	#15
elpasojoe Solid Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: El Paso, TX, originally Ordway (southeast) Colorado Posts: 154	Bunkley is the way I would go with pick 1a., but I doubt he lasts that long. There is plenty of value in rounds two and perhaps longer (Gabe Watson, Rod Wright Claude Wrotter ond others.) But to tell the truth, there are red flags on many of these players (character issues, accusations of being lazy and taking off plays) In the long run, wouldn't the Broncos be better off picking a player like John McCargo in the second or even Montavious Stanley in the fourth or fifth round, who are known for their work ethics. At least you get a player you know is trying to improve. I think I am tired of the lazy athlete who thinks their talent will get them by. Does anyone agree?

04-13-2006, 04:08 PM	#16
TheManeMan Ring of Famer DPOY Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 5,659	You mean like this POS??

04-13-2006, 04:39 PM	#18
elpasojoe Solid Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: El Paso, TX, originally Ordway (southeast) Colorado Posts: 154	CUT, maybe you are right. If that is the case and Bunkley and Ngata are not available, give me Wrotten in the second. Still, take Montavious in the fifth round. I love what they say about his work ethic and leadership.

04-13-2006, 05:06 PM	#20
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	Bunkley is obviously the better pass rusher, but if the Broncs did draft Ngata, they would have twin mountians in the middle like Jax.

04-13-2006, 06:34 PM	#22
TheManeMan Ring of Famer DPOY Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 5,659	So would they try to trade up for either player? Maybe if Buffalo goes elsewhere with their pick? I would personally love either DT...They wont be around at 15 though, thats the problem...they would have to trade up for either...I dont think if they trade up, that a DT is going to be choice...you know what I mean?

04-13-2006, 06:59 PM	#23
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	I don't think they are trading up. Four or five really good fits for them could slide.

04-14-2006, 02:51 AM	#25
Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,276	I rather pass on both them. Give me this guy in the 2nd round.