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[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Coach of the Year? Sixth man?

Let's argue those while we're at it.

[TheManeMan]

Originally Posted by Rulon Velvet Jones

You mean like this hardhitting proposal?

Who is the 2nd best player on the Suns? Shawn Marion.
Who is the 2nd best on the Mavs? Josh Howard.

Take Nash and Dirk away and Marion and Howard propel to being the best player on their respective teams. You still think the Suns would only win 25 and the Mavs would still get 40+?

yeah they would...one player doesnt make a team...look at the rest of the rosters...

Mavs still have Stack,Terry, Dampier, Keith Van Horn and whoever else

Suns have who after Marion?

[dbroncos31]

I think that Kobe is by far the most valuable. Without him the Lakers are one of the worst teams. With him they're in the playoffs.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Master___Pain

You bit hard on brother loves bait, not mine

Yeah, I just threw that idea into the discussion. It wasnt directed solely at you. I could have made that more clear. My bad.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by TheManeMan

yeah they would...one player doesnt make a team...look at the rest of the rosters...

Mavs still have Stack,Terry, Dampier, Keith Van Horn and whoever else

Suns have who after Marion?

That list isnt as impressive as you might think. Van Horn is done, Stack can barely keep his legs underneath him because his knees are so bad, and Terry has a propensity to disappear often. Howard can disappear too. So can Damp. They all depend on Dirk to make the plays. Dirk does so consistently. They depend on him to win and he's come through with flying colors this season.

Also...Shawn Marion leads the Suns in 4 out of the major 5 statistical categories. Points, Rebounds, Steals, Blocks. Nash leads in only assists.

Nash might not be the most important player on his own team.

[Master___Pain]

Originally Posted by Rulon Velvet Jones

Coach of the Year? Sixth man?

Let's argue those while we're at it.

Avery Johnson is the coach of the year. Happy now Llama and Rulon?

[TheManeMan]

Originally Posted by angryllama

That list isnt as impressive as you might think. Van Horn is done, Stack can barely keep his legs underneath him because his knees are so bad, and Terry has a propensity to disappear often. Howard can disappear too. So can Damp. They all depend on Dirk to make the plays. Dirk does so consistently. They depend on him to win and he's come through with flying colors this season.

I know...they are the all washed up NBA team...but, thats still a better roster than what the Suns have after Amare, Nash and Marion...Boris Diaw? a guy the measly Atlanta Hawks let go? F'N Raja Bell who's been on like 4 different teams in as six years? Brian Grant? Eddie House? Tim Thomas? Cmon man, these guys are horrible...and Nash helps them win 50 games again? without the somewaht star status like Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson? I dont get it...

[TheManeMan]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Also...Shawn Marion leads the Suns in 4 out of the major 5 statistical categories. Points, Rebounds, Steals, Blocks. Nash leads in only assists.

Nash might not be the most important player on his own team.

Yes he does...he had a great January and Feburary...that still shouldnt take away from Nash because Marion was doing that even before Nash came back to Phoenix...

[TheManeMan]

I'm also surprised that nobody has thrown out Vince Carter's name...he's had a great year as well...

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by TheManeMan

I know...they are the all washed up NBA team...but, thats still a better roster than what the Suns have after Amare, Nash and Marion...Boris Diaw? a guy the measly Atlanta Hawks let go? F'N Raja Bell who's been on like 4 different teams in as six years? Brian Grant? Eddie House? Tim Thomas? Cmon man, these guys are horrible...and Nash helps them win 50 games again? without the somewaht star status like Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson? I dont get it...

Raja isnt a scrub. He's much better than what Dallas offers at the 2 guard spot: Adrian Griffin. Bell is a tough defender who can shoot well.

Marion is leading the Suns in 4 of 5 major statistical categories (pts, rebs, stls, blks) and is better than anything Dallas offers as a # 2 option. Outside of Dirk, there is not a player of Marion's calibur on Dallas.

Diaw is not a scrub. That guy has an enormous amount of skill for a point-forward type. He's smart, has a complete offensive game, rebounds, passes well, and spreads the floor. Diaw isnt a scrub.

Marion is better than Johnson and all 3 are better than Q Richardson.

[GonzoLays]

I think it is going to be quite hilarious when someone other than Dirt wins the MVP award. I will revive this thread after the announcement. I just hope Angryllama doesn't f himself after they annouce the winner.

[Nuggets4]

Originally Posted by angryllama

This guy is committed to ruining the thread by swamping it with bunch of posts in support of his player.

I know this was 2 pages ago, but the irony still has me laughing.

Originally Posted by Master___Pain

As was mentioned earlier, Chauncey Billups is the MVP. Best Player on the best team. His stats speak for themself. He is the general on the floor and plays tough D. I am not arguing against anybody else for MVP, I just think that CB has had an MVP season.

And if the Dallas fans can homer for their guy, I will do a little homering for my Buff!!

2,000 more posts of nothing but Billups Love, and you might reach Llama's level. Good luck.

[Orange_Beard]

Nash.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Here's the Dallas starting lineup:
Terry
Adrian Griffin
Howard
Nowitzki
Diop

PHX:
Nash
Bell
Marion
Diaw
K Thomas (recently injured)

I dont see where the outstanding difference is between Dallas and PHX's starters (who get a majority of the minutes).

Maybe its just that Dirk is so much better than any player that PHX has

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Nuggets4

I know this was 2 pages ago, but the irony still has me laughing.
2,000 more posts of nothing but Billups Love, and you might reach Llama's level. Good luck.

Coming from someone who has contributed nothing. Good job. You have proven yourself uneducated. You still have not countered anything that I have posted here. Maybe its because you cant.

[ludo21]

wow, left to play golf, and this thread took off for 4 more pages!!!

Nash is the MVP, stop arguing

[TheManeMan]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Raja isnt a scrub. He's much better than what Dallas offers at the 2 guard spot: Adrian Griffin. Bell is a tough defender who can shoot well.

Marion is leading the Suns in 4 of 5 major statistical categories (pts, rebs, stls, blks) and is better than anything Dallas offers as a # 2 option. Outside of Dirk, there is not a player of Marion's calibur on Dallas.

Diaw is not a scrub. That guy has an enormous amount of skill for a point-forward type. He's smart, has a complete offensive game, rebounds, passes well, and spreads the floor. Diaw isnt a scrub.

Marion is better than Johnson and all 3 are better than Q Richardson.

Adrian Griffin is a SF not a SG...the SG's on the Mavs roster would be Stackhouse and Daniels...

and if Diaw were that good of a player dont you think the Atlanta Hawks would try to retain him? He's played very well this year yes...but, still isnt a "star" player...

[epicSocialism4tw]

Mike Monroe: Photo finish for MVP


Web Posted: 04/09/2006 12:00 AM CDT



San Antonio Express-News

There hasn't been a season in the past 20 in which the race for NBA Most Valuable Player was less well defined with only 10 days remaining before ballots are submitted.

You can't even get easy agreement on the top-five candidates, let alone the player who most deserves the league's most prestigious individual honor. There is marginal consensus on the "big three" among the candidates: Pistons point guard Chauncey Billups, Suns point guard Steve Nash and Mavericks power forward Dirk Nowitzki, and biased voters in Cleveland, Miami and Los Angeles probably think players from those locales belong.
The official MVP ballot from the league requires voters to rank the top-five players — in order. First-place votes are worth 10 points, second-place seven, third-place five, fourth-place three and fifth-place one.
Every year there seem to be some odd, mostly provincial, votes cast for the No. 5 spot on the ballot, since such votes typically are "throwaway" votes that won't affect the race at the top of the ballot. That's not the case this year — one reason it is so intriguing that the field of legitimate candidates is so large.
Each voter has his or her own criteria. The heavy bias here is team success. Individuals who play an all-around game — and at both ends of the court — get extra credit. The intangible value of "making teammates better" is difficult to quantify, but certainly a factor.
Examining the MVP candidates:

Dirk Nowitzki, Mavericks: He has been a rock for the Mavericks in a season in which they became one of the league's three best teams despite a rash of injuries to key players. He has adapted to coach Avery Johnson's approach, including the emphasis on defense. And he remains one of the league's best clutch shooters. The negative: You wish he would be more of a physical presence in the post.
Steve Nash, Suns: The reigning MVP has had an even better season than when he won the award. The fact the Suns have 50 victories while effectively playing the entire season without their most dominant big man is tribute to his ability to make his teammates better. The negative: He still doesn't defend.
Chauncey Billups, Pistons: He is the unquestioned leader for the team with the league's best record. He adapted to coach Flip Sanders' more free-flowing offense and is adept at setting up teammates before going to his own scoring game. And he isn't called "Mr. Big Shot" for nothing. At crunch time, the Pistons want the ball in his hands, in part because he is one of the league's best free-throw shooters. The negative: The other three All-Stars on Detroit's roster.
LeBron James, Cavaliers: No. 3 in the league in scoring, No. 11 in assists and this season's leader in triple-doubles. James' play over the past few weeks put him on the list of those who have to be considered for MVP. Why, he even hit his first game-winning shot. The negative: The Cavs' record doesn't compare with the Mavs, Suns or Pistons.
Elton Brand, Clippers: The Clippers are returning to the playoffs and may even win 50 games, and he is the primary reason. He has been solid all season, scoring and rebounding, and a good crunch-time producer, too. The negative: The team record doesn't compare, and you wonder if Sam Cassell's presence has been equally as important to the turnaround.
Kobe Bryant, Lakers: He's the league's scoring leader and an amazing clutch shooter and a solid defender. The negative: He takes too many shots and the Lakers may not even make the playoffs.
Dwyane Wade, Heat: He has carried the Heat through the wholesale offseason roster changes and a rash of injuries to key players. The negative: Can there be an MVP from a team that also has Shaquille O'Neal?
Carmelo Anthony, Nuggets: He has been one of the league's best scorers since the All-Star break and one of its best clutch shooters all season. The negative: The Nuggets' record and defensive deficiencies.
Tony Parker, Spurs: With Tim Duncan ailing all season, Parker elevated his game and leads the team with the league's second-best record in scoring. The negative: That midrange jumper still needs work.
The opinion here about No. 1 has wavered over the past few weeks. Just about the time Nash seemed to have secured a firm grip on the only vote I control, he was thoroughly outplayed by Billups in a head-to-head matchup one week ago.
Then, after Billups' domination of Nash appeared to make him the logical choice, Nowitzki waltzed into the AT&T Center and put on the sort of MVP performance that Spurs fans once took for granted from their favorite power forward, Duncan, in a game the Mavericks had to have.
For the moment, that puts Nowitzki on the No. 1 line on at least one ballot, followed by Billups, Nash, James and Brand.
This season, however, we reserve the right to change our mind several times before April 20.

Edit: link from San Antonio Express-News http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s...p.2c37f23.html

[Nuggets4]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Coming from someone who has contributed nothing. Good job. You have proven yourself uneducated. You still have not countered anything that I have posted here. Maybe its because you cant.

It's because everyone else has b**** slapped you already. We've had this discussion numeorus times. You think that Dirk is being ignored by the media. He's not. You think that he's an incredible defender. He's not. You think he's MVP. He's not. My vote is for Nash. Why? Because of the reasons everyone else points out and you ignore.

[ludo21]

Originally Posted by TheManeMan

Adrian Griffin is a SF not a SG...the SG's on the Mavs roster would be Stackhouse and Daniels...

and if Diaw were that good of a player dont you think the Atlanta Hawks would try to retain him? He's played very well this year yes...but, still isnt a "star" player...

Diaw wasnt in the right place. Here in PHX he is. Diaw is actually a very good player. He is even better with a playmaker like Nash, but he makes a ton of plays on his own as well.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by TheManeMan

Adrian Griffin is a SF not a SG...the SG's on the Mavs roster would be Stackhouse and Daniels...

Griff is the starting 2 guard for Dallas. Stack is the 6th man SF/SG combo, and Daniels is the 10th man.

and if Diaw were that good of a player dont you think the Atlanta Hawks would try to retain him? He's played very well this year yes...but, still isnt a "star" player...

Is Griffin a star player? What about the Mavs' center Diop?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Nuggets4

It's because everyone else has b**** slapped you already. We've had this discussion numeorus times. You think that Dirk is being ignored by the media. He's not. You think that he's an incredible defender. He's not. You think he's MVP. He's not. My vote is for Nash. Why? Because of the reasons everyone else points out and you ignore.

Oh...those reasons...like the ones you couldnt come up with. Like the ones I shot down every time they were brought up. Those reasons? You did a great job. Be proud.

[Master___Pain]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Oh...those reasons...like the ones you couldnt come up with. Like the ones I shot down every time they were brought up. Those reasons? You did a great job. Be proud.

Come on now Llama. There is a very solid case for Nash to be MVP. As there is for Dirk, Chauncey, Lebron, and Kobe. To say that anyone of these guy won't win it because you "shot it down" on a broncos message board is ridiculous.

[Nuggets4]

Originally Posted by Master___Pain

Come on now Llama. There is a very solid case for Nash to be MVP. As there is for Dirk, Chauncey, Lebron, and Kobe. To say that anyone of these guy won't win it because you "shot it down" on a broncos message board is ridiculous.

Especially when he didn't shoot anything down on Nash.

[TheManeMan]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Griff is the starting 2 guard for Dallas. Stack is the 6th man SF/SG combo, and Daniels is the 10th man.



Is Griffin a star player? What about the Mavs' center Diop?

Well since Griffin hasnt really played this past month or so...Stack has been the starting SG for the Mavs correct?