Interesting new 9/11 footage...

[Taco John]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3&q=eyewitness


After watching the video I think it's undeniable that there were secondary explosions that took the building down... that it wasn't just the plane hitting the building that caused the collapse. I think the evidence is pretty clear of that after watching this.

I think the question now is "how" and "who."

If it's terrorist who did it, the implications are staggering. If it wasn't the terrorists, the implications are unfathomable.

In any case, this video makes it clear that there *were* explosions that took place that have so far been unexplained in official accounts.

[alkemical]

tj, can we just make one big 9/11 thread?

[Taco John]

I don't see why that's necessary. It's not like there are several 9/11 discussions on the same topic competing with eachother on the front page.

[DBruleU]

I'll deny is was a 'secondary' explosion. It would have to be a conspiracy of such magnitude, you wouldnt be able to pull it off.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Taco John

I don't see why that's necessary. It's not like there are several 9/11 discussions on the same topic competing with eachother on the front page.

i see your point there - mostly i was asking due to the charlie sheen thread, etc.

I have seen the vid in question you posted TJ, and i've seen others - and well i think you know i stand

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by DBruleU

I'll deny is was a 'secondary' explosion. It would have to be a conspiracy of such magnitude, you wouldnt be able to pull it off.

What you demonstrate is a logical fallacy...


"X does not exist because I believe the conditions for X to be impossible to pull off"


It's called "Argumentum ad Logicam"


You can't deny a secondary explosion that anyone can hear, and the video analysis shows to exist simply because you don't believe it could happen.

[Mile High Shack]

to what end though?

what is the ultimate result of this conspiracy and who would it benefit?

[Taco John]

Points of cuirous interest in the video:
1:13:33

1:33:25 covers the science against the pancake theory...

40:50 in the footage is certainly interesting...

[Bronx33]

Where does one even start? it's unfathomable but i would first find out if explosion sounds being added to that tape (is it legit)?

[alkemical]

well if it ushers in a reduction in civil liberties and more chipping away at the constitution - would living in mex-ameri-canada sound bad?

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

to what end though?

what is the ultimate result of this conspiracy and who would it benefit?

That's a good question. I don't know the answer.

All I know with any certainty is that is that there are booming explosions that happened prior to the collapse of the buildings, and that those explosions have yet to be explained by the official reports... I also know that there is a vast chain of coincidences that would seem to contradict official reports, which have have been ignored by the official reports altogether. I know that there was a political cover-up designed to protect officials from losing their jobs due to a tremendous amount of gross incompetence leading up to the event, and that this cover-up is well chronicled and footnoted in Peter Lance's book...

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

Where does one even start? it's unfathomable but i would first find out if explosion sounds being added to that tape (is it legit)?

Given the very many accounts that there are on tape of people claiming to hear ground level explosions prior to the building collapses, and given how difficult it would be to add realistic explosions... I'd wager against that possibility, though I wouldn't dismiss it entirely.

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by amesj523

well if it ushers in a reduction in civil liberties and more chipping away at the constitution - would living in mex-ameri-canada sound bad?

so your theory is
the incompetant George W. helped mastermind the greatest terroist attack to happen on US Soil?

hmmm

I may be a republican, but even I know Bush is too stupid to figure that out

now if you want to say the uppers in the military needed an excuse to take on the ME, then I could buy that

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

so your theory is
the incompetant George W. helped mastermind the greatest terroist attack to happen on US Soil?

hmmm

I may be a republican, but even I know Bush is too stupid to figure that out

now if you want to say the uppers in the military needed an excuse to take on the ME, then I could buy that

I would agree that there's no way George Bush masterminded this. I would say that the people who managed to get him into power are certainly well connected and well funded enough to pull it off... But then, I believe that George is nothing more than trademark... He's to this organization what the Pillsbury Doughboy is to the Pillsbury company... The doughboy isn't calling the shots... he's just putting a nice face on the company.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

so your theory is
the incompetant George W. helped mastermind the greatest terroist attack to happen on US Soil?

hmmm

I may be a republican, but even I know Bush is too stupid to figure that out

now if you want to say the uppers in the military needed an excuse to take on the ME, then I could buy that

Where did i say GW had masterminded this?

[Rohirrim]

Off the top of my head: How about thousands of gallons of unignited jet fuel pouring down the elevator shafts (not to mention the fumes), igniting in the basement, and the explosion rippling back up the elevator shafts?

[Taco John]

For corroboration on secondary explosions from eyewitnesses on the scenes go to 40:45 in in the Loose Change Video

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by amesj523

Where did i say GW had masterminded this?

well, who would want to take away our civil liberties besides the government?

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by Taco John

I would agree that there's no way George Bush masterminded this. I would say that the people who managed to get him into power are certainly well connected and well funded enough to pull it off... But then, I believe that George is nothing more than trademark... He's to this organization what the Pillsbury Doughboy is to the Pillsbury company... The doughboy isn't calling the shots... he's just putting a nice face on the company.

I woudln't even say he is putting a nice face on it though...

he is going to singlehandedly unite this country against him and the repubs, so the people pulling the strings screwed up by getting him to be the figurehead.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Off the top of my head: How about thousands of gallons of unignited jet fuel pouring down the elevator shafts (not to mention the fumes), igniting in the basement, and the explosion rippling back up the elevator shafts?

Unlikely. The kerosene was largely spent in the fireball on the outside of the building. It's unlikely that it would find it's way all the way down to the basement to cause multiple explosions, but I'm open to reading any science that you can find that would detail this scenario.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

I woudln't even say he is putting a nice face on it though...

Heh... No doubt... But the important point is that at one time, he did.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

well, who would want to take away our civil liberties besides the government?

oh come on MHS - that's a bigger jump than i would take in putting that together.

You asked who would benifit, i gave ONE benifit, the gov't would beable to increase it's presence in the everday citizens life. The gov't wants this, no matter who is in power. Most things would have happened this way even if kerry was in office - he's part of the same club.

unless of course, GW becomes a dictator....

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

I woudln't even say he is putting a nice face on it though...

he is going to singlehandedly unite this country against him and the repubs, so the people pulling the strings screwed up by getting him to be the figurehead.

Or, do you intenisfy a problem (a big issue was forged with R/D) - cause everything to come to a point, then offer a solution that fits the long term 'goal'?

[Taco John]

"I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get into position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up, a bomb went off. We think there were bombs in the building."

-Firefighter Louise Caccioli
48:05 in in the Loose Change Video

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Off the top of my head: How about thousands of gallons of unignited jet fuel pouring down the elevator shafts (not to mention the fumes), igniting in the basement, and the explosion rippling back up the elevator shafts?

Also, for Jet fuel to actually explode vs combust it has to be contained.