Robby Esch's 3/29 Mock - The Orange Mane

Rohirrim · 03-30-2006, 07:22 AM

1 TEXANS OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia
2 BRONCOS QB Matt Leinart USC
(SAINTS trade #2 pick to BRONCOS for #'s 15 & 22 and a first round pick in 2007.)
3 TITANS RB Reggie Bush USC
4 JETS QB Jay Cutler Vanderbilt
5 PACKERS DE Mario Williams North Carolina St
6 49ERS TE Vernon Davis Maryland
7 RAIDERS QB Vince Young Texas
8 BILLS DT Brodrick Bunkley Florida St
9 LIONS LB AJ Hawk Ohio St
10 CARDINALS OT Winston Justice USC
11 RAMS S Michael Huff Texas
12 BROWNS DT Haloti Ngata Oregon
13 RAVENS CB Tye Hill Clemson
14 EAGLES WR Chad Jackson Florida
15 SAINTS CB Jimmy Williams Virginia Tech
16 DOLPHINS S Jason Allen Tennessee
17 VIKINGS RB LenDale White USC
18 COWBOYS LB Bobby Carpenter Ohio St
19 CHARGERS LB Chad Greenway Iowa
20 CHIEFS WR Santonio Holmes Ohio St
21 PATRIOTS DE Manny Lawson North Carolina St
22 SAINTS LB DeMeco Ryans Alabama
23 BUCCANEERS CB Jonathan Joseph South Carolina
24 BENGALS DE Tamba Hali Penn St
25 GIANTS LB D'Qwell Jackson Maryland
26 BEARS TE Marcedes Lewis UCLA
27 PANTHERS LB Ernie Sims Florida St
28 JAGUARS RB DeAngelo Williams Memphis
29 JETS OT Marcus McNeill Auburn
30 COLTS RB Laurence Maroney Minnesota
31 SEAHAWKS DE Mathias Kiwanuka Boston College
32 STEELERS OC Nick Mangold Ohio St

(thehuddlereport.com)

Atlas · 03-30-2006, 07:24 AM

that would shake the bronco world

Rohirrim · 03-30-2006, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlas

that would shake the bronco world

I would be damn happy with that one. Get the Saints #2 and a franchise QB? Works for me. The Broncos #1 next year will be #32 anyway, so who cares.

broncohaven · 03-30-2006, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I would be damn happy with that one. Get the Saints #2 and a franchise QB? Works for me. The Broncos #1 next year will be #32 anyway, so who cares.

The Broncos won't have #32 if we draft Leinart. I would pass on Leinart at #22.

Rohirrim · 03-30-2006, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by broncohaven

The Broncos won't have #32 if we draft Leinart. I would pass on Leinart at #22.

Good thing you're not the Broncos' GM.

Of course, anybody who made decisions like that wouldn't even cut it as the Washington Generals' GM.

broncohaven · 03-30-2006, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Good thing you're not the Broncos' GM.

Of course, anybody who made decisions like that wouldn't even cut it as the Washington Generals' GM.

But you're on the short list for the job becuase you would give up 3 first round choices for a system QB that doesn't fit our system in the slightest?

I think the San Dimas high school football team is looking for a manager. You may qualify.

Arkansas Bronco · 03-30-2006, 08:10 AM

I wouldnt give up 3 first round picks for him. No chance of it, not even 2nd guessing myself. That is entirely to much to give up on a player and one that hasnt even taken 1 down in the NFL yet. This is sounding like the Hershal Walker trade that basicaly rebuilt the Cowboys and severly hurt the Vikings......

Rohirrim · 03-30-2006, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by broncohaven

But you're on the short list for the job becuase you would give up 3 first round choices for a system QB that doesn't fit our system in the slightest?

I think the San Dimas high school football team is looking for a manager. You may qualify.

That's the funny thing about Mike Shanahan. He gets a better QB, he makes a different system to fit him. And what does he have to change? The zone blocking? Why? Leinart is smart, gets rid of the ball nice and quick, is more accurate than Jake, and is already primed to the Chow WCO. Mike designed a "system" to fit Elway, and he designed a "system" to fit Jake. It's the schmucks who do the opposite (try to hammer players into systems) who don't win Lombardis.

ludo21 · 03-30-2006, 09:30 AM

3 first rounders for Leinart??

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

freak6 · 03-30-2006, 09:34 AM

Yeah, that trade would suck. Shanny already said any QB we draft would be a backup, for team with needs, this makes ZERO sense.

epicSocialism4tw · 03-30-2006, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

3 first rounders for Leinart??

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

agreed

When you look at the value you would be giving up to get the guy (Almost Ricky Williams type deal), you have to throw that one in the trash.

I really wouldnt mind Leinart, but I wouldnt want to give both or our 1's this season for him. Its just too much for a guy that might not have the skills that Cutler or Young have. We still havent even seen the guy workout at a pro day yet. He might be Aaron Rogers for all we know.

Rohirrim · 03-30-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

agreed

When you look at the value you would be giving up to get the guy (Almost Ricky Williams type deal), you have to throw that one in the trash.

I really wouldnt mind Leinart, but I wouldnt want to give both or our 1's this season for him. Its just too much for a guy that might not have the skills that Cutler or Young have. We still havent even seen the guy workout at a pro day yet. He might be Aaron Rogers for all we know.

That take completely mystifies me. Ditka traded his whole draft for RW. This would be two firsts, plus next year's first for a franchise QB and the Saints' second. That would give the Broncos their QB of the future, two seconds in this draft, 3 fourths, a fifth and a sixth. Just off the top of my head, they could end up with Leinart, Donte Whitner(S), Mark Anderson (DE), a solid WR, RB & OG in the fourth, plus... As far as seeing Matt work out? I've been watching him "work out" for a couple of years. The guy I would most closely associate him with is Payton Manning, who can't run worth a damn either.

Arkansas Bronco · 03-30-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

That take completely mystifies me. Ditka traded his whole draft for RW. This would be two firsts, plus next year's first for a franchise QB and the Saints' second.....

Uh that would equal our last years first this years and next year for an unproved player that has 2 bad knees and has a average arm (he reminds me of Drew Brees but I do like the guy and think he will be a good QB not a great QB somewhere).

Dagmar · 03-30-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

3 first rounders for Leinart??

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

AGREED!

Rohirrim · 03-30-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Arkansas_Bronco

Uh that would equal our last years first this years and next year for an unproved player that has 2 bad knees and has a average arm (he reminds me of Drew Brees but I do like the guy and think he will be a good QB not a great QB somewhere).

"His stats (211-of-318, 66.4%, 3,017 yds, 23 TD, 7 int in 2005, plus 35 tcb, 34 yds, 1.0 avg, 5 TD), are better than last year, when he won the Heisman. Leinart is on pace to set 5 Pac Ten records, and be the all-time NCAA leader in lowest interception ratio, currently at 1.95%. Compared to last year, Leinart is throwing the ball further, and compared to Carson Palmer’s Heisman Trophy season, he’s throwing it smarter, too–not forcing the play and causing dumb mistakes and interceptions.

Compared to Vince Young, Leinart has more Touchdowns, fewer interceptions, fewer fumbles and 603 more yards through the air. And while Young has run the ball a heck of a lot–Leinart hasn’t had to because his skills in the position he plays were sufficient to make scrambling for his life unnecessary for Matt this year.

But what has impressed me most about Matt Leinart aren’t the gaudy numbers…it’s his character.

Matt has been a steady leader both on and off the field for the Trojans. He provides moral support for his teammates–running onto the field to greet Mario Danelo after a garbage-time PAT just as he does when the kicker scores in the first quarter. He doesn’t mind sharing the spotlight with Reggie Bush or any of the team’s future stars. He gives advice and leadership to backups John David Booty and Mike MacDonald when he could otherwise be sitting on the bench celebrating early.

And he has put up some of the best numbers in the country whilst under a media spotlight usually reserved for Hollywood celebrities. The pressure is on to perform in each and every game–and Leinart has stepped up…creating his own “Heisman Moment” by finding Dwayne Jarrett on 4th and 9 with the game on the line at Notre Dame.

Unlike Vince Young, who turned the ball over four times against Ohio State, Leinart won the game for his team–his team has never had to win it for him.

But when it all comes down to it, the most important decision Leinart made was last winter, when he decided to return for his Senior year. When other players could have cashed in on the John Heisman Award, Leinart said he wanted to come back and finish his education."

I just don't get the "Hate Leinart" campaign. Mystifiying.

Arkansas Bronco · 03-30-2006, 10:28 AM

It isnt the hating it is the whole package that you want to give up to take him. Now come on man you have to know that no one in this draft is worth 3 first round picks at this time. I think you are just trying to stir the pot.

Paladin · 03-30-2006, 10:41 AM

This one sucks.

Arkansas Bronco · 03-30-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Paladin

This one sucks.

Well that is pretty deep thinking but i can see where you are coming from

chanesaw · 03-30-2006, 10:46 AM

If we passed on Reggie Bush I would have a heart attack.

Rohirrim · 03-30-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Arkansas_Bronco

It isnt the hating it is the whole package that you want to give up to take him. Now come on man you have to know that no one in this draft is worth 3 first round picks at this time. I think you are just trying to stir the pot.

I decided it was no fun just sitting on the fence. I want to pick a horse and run with it. I'm a Buffs fan and alum first (as far as college goes) but I grew up in SoCal and always loved the Pac10 (especially USC which was the team I rooted for in HS), so I watch every USC game that's televised in Denver. I honestly think that Leinart is a damn good QB and a big upgrade from Jake. I've read reports that call him slow, and even stupid, and frankly, I don't know where the hell it's coming from. Not in any of the games I've seen. He's not a running QB. He's a passing QB, and an excellent game manager, with lots of heart and lots of guts. I suspect it's eastcoasters who don't have a friggin clue and only saw the guy once, in the Rose Bowl. I don't blame that loss on Leinart for one reason: He doesn't play defense. 3 firsts might be a little rich for Matt, but I'm convinced the Broncos need to move this year on a QB. If they pulled the string on a deal like this, especially where they got back a high second pick, I'd be fine with it. If they did pull off a deal like this, I also have faith that Mike would figure a way to get a first pick back, if he needed it, next year.

Rohirrim · 03-30-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chanesaw

If we passed on Reggie Bush I would have a heart attack.

I love Reggie. He is absolutely fantastic. Now let's list all the Heisman winning RBs that have led their teams to the SB. I'm not being a smart ass. I just believe QBs have a much bigger impact on the game than RBs. And the Broncos have a great ground game already.

Arkansas Bronco · 03-30-2006, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chanesaw

If we passed on Reggie Bush I would have a heart attack.

Again this would make us give up a boatload to move up. Its just not worth it. 3 other very talented RB's are in this draft also.

Dagmar · 03-30-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Arkansas_Bronco

Again this would make us give up a boatload to move up. Its just not worth it. 3 other very talented RB's are in this draft also.

Who will be there at 15 or even 22. I wouldn't mind some Reggie though.

Arkansas Bronco · 03-30-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagmar

Who will be there at 15 or even 22. I wouldn't mind some Reggie though.

Yea i didnt add that in but was what i was meaning. And if reggie slips to 15 (no chance in hell) we take him HAHA

epicSocialism4tw · 03-30-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I decided it was no fun just sitting on the fence. I want to pick a horse and run with it. I'm a Buffs fan and alum first (as far as college goes) but I grew up in SoCal and always loved the Pac10 (especially USC which was the team I rooted for in HS), so I watch every USC game that's televised in Denver. I honestly think that Leinart is a damn good QB and a big upgrade from Jake. I've read reports that call him slow, and even stupid, and frankly, I don't know where the hell it's coming from. Not in any of the games I've seen. He's not a running QB. He's a passing QB, and an excellent game manager, with lots of heart and lots of guts. I suspect it's eastcoasters who don't have a friggin clue and only saw the guy once, in the Rose Bowl. I don't blame that loss on Leinart for one reason: He doesn't play defense. 3 firsts might be a little rich for Matt, but I'm convinced the Broncos need to move this year on a QB. If they pulled the string on a deal like this, especially where they got back a high second pick, I'd be fine with it. If they did pull off a deal like this, I also have faith that Mike would figure a way to get a first pick back, if he needed it, next year.

Im sure that you had plenty of opportunities to watch him wobble around on his bad knees. That lack of mobility is going to get alot more "lack" and alot less "mobility".

He's not Carson Palmer by any stretch, and there's no way on earth he's worth three years worth of #1 draft picks.

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03-30-2006, 07:22 AM	#1
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,808	Robby Esch's 3/29 Mock 1 TEXANS OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia 2 BRONCOS QB Matt Leinart USC (SAINTS trade #2 pick to BRONCOS for #'s 15 & 22 and a first round pick in 2007.) 3 TITANS RB Reggie Bush USC 4 JETS QB Jay Cutler Vanderbilt 5 PACKERS DE Mario Williams North Carolina St 6 49ERS TE Vernon Davis Maryland 7 RAIDERS QB Vince Young Texas 8 BILLS DT Brodrick Bunkley Florida St 9 LIONS LB AJ Hawk Ohio St 10 CARDINALS OT Winston Justice USC 11 RAMS S Michael Huff Texas 12 BROWNS DT Haloti Ngata Oregon 13 RAVENS CB Tye Hill Clemson 14 EAGLES WR Chad Jackson Florida 15 SAINTS CB Jimmy Williams Virginia Tech 16 DOLPHINS S Jason Allen Tennessee 17 VIKINGS RB LenDale White USC 18 COWBOYS LB Bobby Carpenter Ohio St 19 CHARGERS LB Chad Greenway Iowa 20 CHIEFS WR Santonio Holmes Ohio St 21 PATRIOTS DE Manny Lawson North Carolina St 22 SAINTS LB DeMeco Ryans Alabama 23 BUCCANEERS CB Jonathan Joseph South Carolina 24 BENGALS DE Tamba Hali Penn St 25 GIANTS LB D'Qwell Jackson Maryland 26 BEARS TE Marcedes Lewis UCLA 27 PANTHERS LB Ernie Sims Florida St 28 JAGUARS RB DeAngelo Williams Memphis 29 JETS OT Marcus McNeill Auburn 30 COLTS RB Laurence Maroney Minnesota 31 SEAHAWKS DE Mathias Kiwanuka Boston College 32 STEELERS OC Nick Mangold Ohio St (thehuddlereport.com)

03-30-2006, 07:24 AM	#2
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	that would shake the bronco world

03-30-2006, 08:10 AM	#7
Arkansas Bronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,237 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	I wouldnt give up 3 first round picks for him. No chance of it, not even 2nd guessing myself. That is entirely to much to give up on a player and one that hasnt even taken 1 down in the NFL yet. This is sounding like the Hershal Walker trade that basicaly rebuilt the Cowboys and severly hurt the Vikings......

03-30-2006, 09:30 AM	#9
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,899 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	3 first rounders for Leinart?? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

03-30-2006, 09:34 AM	#10
freak6 3,631 - WAKE UP!!!! Impeach President Cheney and Puppet Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,651 Adopt-a-Bronco: MJK	Yeah, that trade would suck. Shanny already said any QB we draft would be a backup, for team with needs, this makes ZERO sense.

03-30-2006, 10:28 AM	#16
Arkansas Bronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,237 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	It isnt the hating it is the whole package that you want to give up to take him. Now come on man you have to know that no one in this draft is worth 3 first round picks at this time. I think you are just trying to stir the pot.

03-30-2006, 10:41 AM	#17
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,150	This one sucks.

03-30-2006, 10:46 AM	#19
chanesaw Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,174 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis Dumervil	If we passed on Reggie Bush I would have a heart attack.