More pussification of the NFL. - The Orange Mane

watermock · 03-30-2006, 04:33 AM

Listening to the M@M's and the NFL has adressed the horrific treatment of NFL QB's.

Now you can't use "driving force" below the waist to sack the QB. So let me get this straight. You can't use more than 1.5 steps (I've seen it called on one step), you can't lead with your helmet. (basically impossible) and now you can't hit them below the waist.

Also, the illegal contact calls have expoded and now you can't breath on recievers.

What is a DE supposed to do now? Bring some duct tape with him and hog tie the QB? Maybe they should make QB's to wear Red helmets and red pants? You allready can't touch him if he does a Barroid slide. He's down before contact or something.

Mock's prediction; The cut block will be history before this owners meeting is over. Teams resent Denver's blocking style and will lobby for yet another rule change. Let's just put flags on the belt at this point and count to three before you can rush.

broncohaven · 03-30-2006, 05:23 AM

I heard that rushers will have to ask the QB to fall down and then touch them when they get there.

Atlas · 03-30-2006, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by watermock

Mock's prediction; The cut block will be history before this owners meeting is over. Teams resent Denver's blocking style and will lobby for yet another rule change. Let's just put flags on the belt at this point and count to three before you can rush.

Won't happen. Despite the bad press, owners know that the cut block is essential to the offense to run the ball. All offenses use it.

Maybe they'll tweek the rule but the cut block is here to stay.

fontaine · 03-30-2006, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by watermock

Listening to the M@M's and the NFL has adressed the horrific treatment of NFL QB's.

Now you can't use "driving force" below the waist to sack the QB. So let me get this straight. You can't use more than 1.5 steps (I've seen it called on one step), you can't lead with your helmet. (basically impossible) and now you can't hit them below the waist.

I can see the refs screwing this one up. What's the last thing a T does if the DE or blitzer flies past him? The blocker usually tries to push him down, usually from behind/side. That drives the sacker lower and with momentum you usually end up near the QB's knees/legs.

Did they mention anything about the tackler being impeded/pushed in the process that may cause him to dive at the legs?

Old Dude · 03-30-2006, 05:57 AM

I thought that the new rule was that you couldn't hit the QB beneath the knees. Can someone clarify?

OrangeShadow · 03-30-2006, 05:59 AM

they cant "drive with force below the waist on the Quarterback"

lol Golic was FLIPPING out on mike and mike about it.

fontaine · 03-30-2006, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeShadow

they cant "drive with force below the waist on the Quarterback"

lol Golic was FLIPPING out on mike and mike about it.

They should just call it the Carsom Palmer rule.

It seems Marvin Lewis wields a lot of influence in the league competition committee.

It's not really for the benefit of the game, I don't think. QBs are usually the highest investment an owner can make. The have literally millions riding on a franchise QB and they're just looking to protect their investments than the "spirit of football."

watermock · 03-30-2006, 06:33 AM

It's vague and a classic "judgement call". It's definetly from the knees down tho. You hit the guy in the lower thigh it will be called. "the knee area' Whatever that means.

Other gems:
A rushing defender cannot forcibly hit a passer who has one or both feet on the ground in the knee area or below, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him.
Down by contact now can be reviewed by instant replay. For instance, no longer will the ability to determine if a player was down before or after a fumble be nullified by a whistle.
The time limit on replay reviews have been reduced from 90 to 60 seconds.
Horse-collar tackling has been expanded to prohibit grabbing a ball carrier from behind by the inside of the jersey, as well as the shoulder pads.
A defender no longer can line up directly across from the snapper on a field-goal attempt.
Blocking in the back above the waist is no longer allowed by a member of the kicking team while the ball is in flight during a scrimmage kick.
The first training-camp roster reduction this summer will be to 75 players. Previously, teams were allowed to keep 65, plus any player who played in NFL Europe for the cut after the third preseason game.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9345591

El Guapo · 03-30-2006, 06:52 AM

its all sad. . . hopefully they dont get enforced much as the season rolls on.

watermock · 03-30-2006, 06:58 AM

This sentence is priceless:

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It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him.

So if the DE has "no opportunity" to "avoid the QB", it won't be called? I thought the idea was to GET to the QB, not avoid him, or her.

Mile High Shack · 03-30-2006, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fontaine

They should just call it the Carsom Palmer rule.

It seems Marvin Lewis wields a lot of influence in the league competition committee.

It's not really for the benefit of the game, I don't think. QBs are usually the highest investment an owner can make. The have literally millions riding on a franchise QB and they're just looking to protect their investments than the "spirit of football."

the head of officiating said the Carson Palmer injury/play would not be a flag in the new rules

fontaine · 03-30-2006, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

the head of officiating said the Carson Palmer injury/play would not be a flag in the new rules

I don't buy that for a second. Interesting that he mentioned it in the first place.

Mile High Shack · 03-30-2006, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fontaine

I don't buy that for a second. Interesting that he mentioned it in the first place.

yeah, who knows

they mostly talked about when Rothlesburger got rolled up on earlier in the year

I'm not sure how they can legislate "with force"

watermock · 03-30-2006, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by fontaine

I don't buy that for a second. Interesting that he mentioned it in the first place.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Of course they are going to say that...total spin. Did you notice they didn't say why it would not of been called? It was right on the knee, pure and simple. It sucked he got hurt, but that would be a penalty next year, no question. maybe it's a good rule, but man. There are going to be so many rules that the refs become overwhelmed. The game is already a hankie fest. let's get another ref to pick defenders

watermock · 03-30-2006, 08:52 AM

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I'm not sure how they can legislate "with force"

Let's make the rule incredibly vague. Remember the Duke throwing with a DE wrapped around his knees? Well, he didn't have an ACL in one knee anyway right?

dbfan4life · 03-30-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by watermock

Down by contact now can be reviewed by instant replay. For instance, no longer will the ability to determine if a player was down before or after a fumble be nullified by a whistle.
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I'm all for this but how will the outcome be determined? Say that the ball carrier fumbles. Whistle blows, ruled down by contact. Everyone stops without touching the ball or other team recovers and stops once whistle is blown. Challenge ensues, what is the ruling? Yes there was a fumble, but then what? What if recovering team would've returned the fumble for a TD? Are they awarded the TD? Given the ball at the spot it was recovered? What a mess this will be.

Dr. Broncenstein · 03-30-2006, 01:00 PM

Just get it over with... make the big name QB's wear flags...

Paladin · 03-30-2006, 02:13 PM

In the case of Plummer, does the rule apply if the QB is outside the Ts, or if s/he is scrambling?

Dr. Broncenstein · 03-30-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Paladin

In the case of Plummer, does the rule apply if the QB is outside the Ts, or if s/he is scrambling?

The rule will only apply if your last name is Manning or Brady... every one else is expected to play football

gotfredson · 03-30-2006, 05:40 PM

There use to be a reason pro football players got paid millions, primarily because of its danger level. Soon it will just be glorified flag football, this is getting pathetic.

ZachKC · 03-30-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gotfredson

There use to be a reason pro football players got paid millions, primarily because of its danger level. Soon it will just be glorified flag football, this is getting pathetic.

Ya they are a bunch of big softies running around out there. What a thing to sit on your keyboard on the internet and type.

Hulamau · 03-30-2006, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlas

Won't happen. Despite the bad press, owners know that the cut block is essential to the offense to run the ball. All offenses use it.

Maybe they'll tweek the rule but the cut block is here to stay.

Absolutely right Atlas, they ALL do it and are just jealous 'cause we do it so much better!

03-30-2006, 04:33 AM	#1
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	More pussification of the NFL. Listening to the M@M's and the NFL has adressed the horrific treatment of NFL QB's. Now you can't use "driving force" below the waist to sack the QB. So let me get this straight. You can't use more than 1.5 steps (I've seen it called on one step), you can't lead with your helmet. (basically impossible) and now you can't hit them below the waist. Also, the illegal contact calls have expoded and now you can't breath on recievers. What is a DE supposed to do now? Bring some duct tape with him and hog tie the QB? Maybe they should make QB's to wear Red helmets and red pants? You allready can't touch him if he does a Barroid slide. He's down before contact or something. Mock's prediction; The cut block will be history before this owners meeting is over. Teams resent Denver's blocking style and will lobby for yet another rule change. Let's just put flags on the belt at this point and count to three before you can rush.

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03-30-2006, 05:23 AM	#2
broncohaven Ring of Famer I'm Orange Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Green Mountains Posts: 2,250	I heard that rushers will have to ask the QB to fall down and then touch them when they get there.

03-30-2006, 05:57 AM	#5
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,211	I thought that the new rule was that you couldn't hit the QB beneath the knees. Can someone clarify?

03-30-2006, 05:59 AM	#6
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	they cant "drive with force below the waist on the Quarterback" lol Golic was FLIPPING out on mike and mike about it.

03-30-2006, 06:33 AM	#8
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	It's vague and a classic "judgement call". It's definetly from the knees down tho. You hit the guy in the lower thigh it will be called. "the knee area' Whatever that means. Other gems: A rushing defender cannot forcibly hit a passer who has one or both feet on the ground in the knee area or below, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him. Down by contact now can be reviewed by instant replay. For instance, no longer will the ability to determine if a player was down before or after a fumble be nullified by a whistle. The time limit on replay reviews have been reduced from 90 to 60 seconds. Horse-collar tackling has been expanded to prohibit grabbing a ball carrier from behind by the inside of the jersey, as well as the shoulder pads. A defender no longer can line up directly across from the snapper on a field-goal attempt. Blocking in the back above the waist is no longer allowed by a member of the kicking team while the ball is in flight during a scrimmage kick. The first training-camp roster reduction this summer will be to 75 players. Previously, teams were allowed to keep 65, plus any player who played in NFL Europe for the cut after the third preseason game. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9345591

03-30-2006, 06:52 AM	#9
El Guapo aka mav_7. who? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: VA (heart is in TX) Posts: 3,492	its all sad. . . hopefully they dont get enforced much as the season rolls on.

03-30-2006, 01:00 PM	#17
Dr. Broncenstein Oldeskool Homeskool Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sterile Fields Posts: 11,848 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Woodyard	Just get it over with... make the big name QB's wear flags...

03-30-2006, 02:13 PM	#18
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,152	In the case of Plummer, does the rule apply if the QB is outside the Ts, or if s/he is scrambling?

03-30-2006, 05:40 PM	#20
gotfredson Solid Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 151	There use to be a reason pro football players got paid millions, primarily because of its danger level. Soon it will just be glorified flag football, this is getting pathetic.