Freakin Lunatic

[Bronx33]

"As the imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"The real Holocaust is what is happening in Palestine where the Zionists avail themselves of the fairy tale of Holocaust as blackmail and justification for killing children and women and making innocent people homeless."

"We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago (Israel) and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them."

"If anyone shows aggression to the Iranian nation’s rights, Iran will wipe the dark stain of regret on their foreheads."

--MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD, Iranian president

[Crushaholic]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

"As the imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"The real Holocaust is what is happening in Palestine where the Zionists avail themselves of the fairy tale of Holocaust as blackmail and justification for killing children and women and making innocent people homeless."

"We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago (Israel) and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them."

"If anyone shows aggression to the Iranian nation’s rights, Iran will wipe the dark stain of regret on their foreheads."

--MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD, Iranian president

Them are fightin' words...

[Bronx33]

The dude even looks crazy.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I guess we'll be moving from Iraq to Iran pretty soon. This is really fun stuff. Its what we get for our dependance on international markets.

[Bronx33]

First, Ahmadinajad was not elected - he was appointed. Ahmadinajad only received 19% of the first vote - second place - with Rafsanjani receiving a full 2 points more in an election where the top 5 candidates went like this in the polls:

Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani 21%
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 19%
Mehdi Karroubi 17%
Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf 13%
Mostafa Moeen 13%

[Bronx33]

Iran wants UN to probe “rights abuses” in U.S.

That's right iran want's to probe us for human rights abuses!

Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Mar. 28 – Iran’s Foreign Minister has expressed “concern” over “human rights abuses” in the United States and called on the United Nations to investigate the matter.

Mottaki censured “widespread human rights violations in the U.S.”, highlighting the treatment of black people and Muslims.

He called for the United Nations to appoint a new Special Rapporteur to investigate and report on “cases of human rights violations by America”.

Mottaki made the remarks on Monday during a meeting with Cuban Transport Minister Carlos Manuel Pazo, the government-run news agency Fars reported.

[Rohirrim]

Let's see now, the Cubans and Iranians are going to investigate us for human rights abuses? I swear, sometimes I think I'm living in Wonderland.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Let's see now, the Cubans and Iranians are going to investigate us for human rights abuses? I swear, sometimes I think I'm living in Wonderland.

Probably just to avert attention from the real subjects, but my god they look like morons doing it, reading blogs from iranians i can say they are not ignorant people and can see the goverment for what it really is. This is what i really feel sorry for is the people of iran because it's a fact they don't have the same ideologies as their goverment in charge.

[orangeatheist]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

"As the imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

Compare with:

"If anyone shows aggression to the Iranian nation’s rights, Iran will wipe the dark stain of regret on their foreheads."

--MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD, Iranian president

This guy's a living example of doublethink.

[freak6]

The interesting question is why is there an Israel, and what right do they have to that land that others do not.

It's like a stupid lie, that over time just festers, and gets worse and worse and worse.

Again, religon is the root cause of this.

Get rid of religon, teach philosophy and practice it.

Worlds problems, solved.

[Old Dude]

Originally Posted by angryllama

I guess we'll be moving from Iraq to Iran pretty soon. This is really fun stuff. Its what we get for our dependance on international markets.

Time to start brushing up on your Farsi.

[orangeatheist]

Originally Posted by freak15

Again, religon is the root cause of this.

Get rid of religon...

Truer words.......never spoken.....

[alkemical]

can 'unreligion' be a religion?

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by orangeatheist

Truer words.......never spoken.....

Probably the answer though but not a reality, reality is religion taking it's collective head out od it's a**.

[gunns]

[QUOTE]This is what i really feel sorry for is the people of iran because it's a fact they don't have the same ideologies as their goverment in charge./QUOTE]

Amazing how they are so much like us.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by amesj523

can 'unreligion' be a religion?

Yes. As is atheism.

[Bronx33]

[QUOTE=gunns]

This is what i really feel sorry for is the people of iran because it's a fact they don't have the same ideologies as their goverment in charge./QUOTE]

Amazing how they are so much like us.

That's very true..

[orangeatheist]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Yes. As is atheism.

Really, llama? So, explain to us all how atheism is a religion. Since religion is typically defined (and so defined for the purposes of this discussion) as:

1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

Why don't you tell us all how non-belief in the supernatural and rejection of any notion of a creator and governor of the universe qualifies as a religion?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by orangeatheist

Really, llama? So, explain to us all how atheism is a religion. Since religion is typically defined (and so defined for the purposes of this discussion) as:

1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

Why don't you tell us all how non-belief in the supernatural and rejection of any notion of a creator and governor of the universe qualifies as a religion?

You forgot these definitions from dictionary.com:

3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

So, orangeatheist...

What do you believe about the cosmology of the universe?

[orangeatheist]

Originally Posted by angryllama

You forgot these definitions from dictionary.com:

3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

So, are you trying to imply that atheism is a "set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader" or that atheism is a
"cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion"?

How would you like to go about providing evidence to buttress this argument. And, be careful when you do, because if you want to say that atheism is a "cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion" and that is what qualifies it as a "religion" then you'd better be prepared to qualify a whole lot of other things as "religion", too. Astro-science, democracy, sex among them.

Originally Posted by angryllama

So, orangeatheist...

What do you believe about the cosmology of the universe?

I "believe" it is a natural phenomenon. And until given sufficent evidence to believe otherwise I see no reasonable alternative to this "belief".

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by orangeatheist

I "believe" it is a natural phenomenon. And until given sufficent evidence to believe otherwise I see no reasonable alternative to this "belief".

Okay, so you have your potentially temporary belief. I guess that your beliefs exist in a fluxuous continuum? Or are they nihilistic? Believing in something that is by nature in a state of flux means that you must believe in nothing, no? Or is it satisfying to know that a world of such beautiful order exists in spite of such chaos?

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by orangeatheist

Really, llama? So, explain to us all how atheism is a religion. Since religion is typically defined (and so defined for the purposes of this discussion) as:

1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

Why don't you tell us all how non-belief in the supernatural and rejection of any notion of a creator and governor of the universe qualifies as a religion?

would not believing in something, be the same as believing in something though?

Wouldn't your belief in 'unbelief' be just as aiken to someone who 'believes'?

[bendog]

I'm not saying the guy isn't a dangerous loon, but under the nuke non-proliferation treaty, we were supposed to get rid of our nukes. Moreover, we DID actually invade Iraq to depose a govt that it's pretty clear was not a danger to anyone but its own citizens (yeah Saddam paid some suicide bombers in Israel and the occupied territories), so I'm not willing to concede that the neocons in charge of the US aren't equally as loony in their own way.

[freak6]

I think a world without religons based upon a specific god figure, that you worship, with attached myths and the such, is definitely in our future.

I was reading one of my books by the Dalai Llama, this one about religon and science and how science changes religious beliefs and such. One part that was very true was how in his words:

Society used to get thier ethics from thier religon, and it was left to that. With religon becoming less and less a part of our more secular society, what has come in to replace that gap in ethics. Parents are left on thier own to teach thier children good ethics in many cases. What would definitely help our socieity as a whole, would be MANDATORY PHILOSOPHY CLASSES, from 1st grade through 12th grade.

In the elementary schools they could include lessons from the early greek philosophers, teaching common values etc... Then as the kids get thier arms arouond philosophy it could be expanded into a 1 semester per year course. If this was done, our society would be leaps and bounds better than it is, with less crime, less poverty (by means of good people becoming elected, not greedy fks that give 8 billion dollar tax breaks to Exxon making record PROFITS) etc..

When I start my politcal career this will be a bill I will push for hard.

[orangenblue2]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Yes. As is atheism.

It is if "not collecting" coins is a "hobby". I would also guess, in your world, that all of those "Santa isn't real-ists" practice a religion as well. Seriously, man, you pulling out unused/rarely used dictionary definitions and arguing semantics is really feeble. What's strikingly odd is when you theists feel you've gained some victory by labeling atheism a religion. It's pathetic really.

"If atheism is a religion, then health is a disease"