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03-23-2006, 01:02 AM
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Would you take Vince Young at 15
His Pro Day didn't go so well, his stock could be slipping. Let's just say he was this years tumbler (ala Aaron Rodgers) and was there at 15. Would you take him?
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03-23-2006, 01:03 AM
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Uh, nope. It's not that I don't like the guy, I feel he's extremely talented, but he isn't going to help us win now. Which is what I want to see, and hopefully is what the Broncos and the rest of the fans want to see as well.
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03-23-2006, 01:05 AM
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Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox
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03-23-2006, 01:06 AM
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The answer is yes. How many of these "this will never happen" threads are there going to be? Let's start a Reggie Bush poll.
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03-23-2006, 01:10 AM
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03-23-2006, 01:15 AM
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03-23-2006, 01:17 AM
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Yahoo says his pro day was OK
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Finally, Young smiled. "Hi grandma," he said, waving to the sidelines. If only the NFL skeptics were so easily appeased. ADVERTISEMENT The Texas quarterback whose game has undergone an unrelenting autopsy since winning the national championship in January had a strong showing Wednesday while working out for over 150 scouts, personnel men and other NFL executives. Other than USC's workout in April, there likely won't be another pro day that comes close to the collection of league royalty that showed up in Texas' capital. The Houston Texans and Tennessee Titans sent all of their key offensive coaches and major front-office players. Texans owner Bob McNair was also on hand, along with head coach Nick Saban and general manager Randy Mueller of the Miami Dolphins, Green Bay Packers GM Ted Thompson, St. Louis Rams defensive coordinator Jim Haslett and Baltimore Ravens quarterbacks coach Rick Neuheisel. And for the most part, Young didn't disappoint. While he wasn't the superhuman display of athleticism some expected, Young performed well during a scripted session of 54 "moving target" passes. It was a display that featured most but not all of the types of throws teams had hoped to see. When it was over, the prevailing feeling was that Young did nothing to drop himself out of the top-five picks, and he remained in contention with USC's Matt Leinart to be the first quarterback off the board on draft day. "He solidified that he's capable of making all the NFL throws," Jacksonville Jaguars general manager James Harris said. "The footwork is good. He sets up good with his feet and has a quick release. "I don't know that everybody thought he was just another shotgun quarterback. I think sometimes people are looking for things people can't do, and then it gets magnified." Surely, all of Young's perceived imperfections have been under the microscope. Seemingly every negative has been well-documented from his sidearm throwing motion, to his Wonderlic score, to the concern that he ran an offense that rarely placed him under center in college. But Young addressed at least some of the criticisms Wednesday, working only in drop-back situations and going through three-, five- and seven-step drops. By the end of a workout designed by former NFL offensive coordinator Jerry Rhome, Young had completed 49 of 54 passes. In reality, he had only three bad passes balls that were overthrown on short, intermediate and deep routes. Two others were dropped by receivers. Mostly, each completion showcased a clean spiral with good velocity. His throwing motion didn't appear to be a big topic of concern, though one team source said that Young would need to have perfect lower-body mechanics to keep his throwing shoulder from dipping a problem which causes sidearm throws to sail. But that rarely happened Wednesday. Instead, Young showed his ability to be very accurate throwing on the run, rolling to his left or right, and he had little difficulty throwing swing passes and screens. Perhaps more importantly, he did well on the highly scrutinized 15- and 20-yard out routes that some consider to be the most challenging pass with accuracy and velocity. The apex of the workout came late in the 40-minute throwing session, when Young dropped back, spun in reverse and rolled to his left and uncorked a perfect 60-yard spiral to a wideout striding into the end zone. That left the crowd buzzing as the workout came to a close a few minutes later. "I know he's a fine player and he's got a big arm," said Texans coach Gary Kubiak, whose team is considering Young with the No. 1 pick. "I was very impressed with his accuracy today. He's got a personality that's very energetic. People kind of gravitate to him. You could see that today in the workout. He just reassured everybody of those things. "He's been working underneath the center you can tell. That was impressive because he didn't do that much in college. But he definitely did it very well right here." Still, the day didn't come without some consternation. There was some early grumbling after personnel people were told Young, despite not working out at the combine, would be skipping the 40-yard dash and all of the agility drills. The frosty reaction from some coaches apparently convinced Young to run the 40, which he did once clocking anywhere from 4.50 to 4.57 seconds. He didn't do the long jump, shuttles or vertical jump, raising at least a few eyebrows from personnel men who expected him to showcase his athleticism. "They wanted to see me run, and I wanted to go out there and show them I am a team guy," Young said. "If any coaches want to see Vince do anything, I'm not going to stand back and not do it. This is Vince Young. I want to go out there and show them that I can run." The teams with the most interest will likely get any remaining questions out of the way in personal workouts. The Titans spent Wednesday night with Young and were also expected to go through drills with their own receivers on Thursday. Two other teams have set up personal workouts with Young headed to Baltimore to work out with the Ravens in the coming weeks, and the New York Jets bringing their own receivers to Houston to go through their own drills. "It's all on Vince and letting the coaches coach me," Young said. "It's all up to me. If I go in there and sugarcoat it and not work like I'm supposed to be doing, then I'm not going to be the Vince that's supposed to be in the NFL. But if I go in there and work really hard and get into the film room, get with whatever starting quarterback that is already there, get under his wing and try to understand different things and try to compete, I should be all right." Unless there's some kind of monumental meltdown in the team workouts, Young appears to have picked up the momentum to keep him at the top of the draft. But it would be a stretch to say he's secured his position over Leinart, or even Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler. Both of those players will have their own personal workouts with the Titans and Jets, and their interviews will determine the true pecking order of this class of quarterbacks. Lest anyone forget, Alex Smith's personal workout secured his place as last year's No. 1 pick and left Aaron Rodgers to plummet on draft day. That frames Wednesday as only the latest leg of a race that is expected to stretch right up to April 29, the first day of the draft. For now at least, Young has kept pace. As Kubiak said: "He did everything you could ask him to do." All that's left is to see if someone else does more. |
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03-23-2006, 01:17 AM
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Our offense was 6th in the NFL this year, and 4th last year. We need that pick elsewhere for, like, maybe .... SACKS!
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03-23-2006, 01:19 AM
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03-23-2006, 01:21 AM
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I would not draft him for my team no matter how far he fell. I see him more as a Michael Vick type of QB. I mean he has a lot of skills and is a great athlete, but just like Vick, he isn't gonna lead a team to the big game. I see him as a Kordell Stewart type of player. Great college QB but a bust in the NFL. He will be the 1st round bust this year.
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03-23-2006, 01:25 AM
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03-23-2006, 01:28 AM
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03-23-2006, 01:46 AM
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like i said you guys are acting ignorant hes going to tennesee with his mentor anf the jets trded to move up and grab lieniert cutler goes to zona and the raiders take huff and niners take vernon.
1. houston: bush RB 2. jets: matt lieniert QB 3. titans: vince young 4. saints: D-brick 5. packers mario williams 6. niners vernon davis 7. raiders A.J hawk 8. bills haltoi nagta 9. detroit: mike huff 10. QB jay cutler |
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03-23-2006, 01:47 AM
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03-23-2006, 01:50 AM
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no becuse mcnair is youngs mentor and the jets are moving up for matt they have already said they want to and are going to. besides if he falls the ravens will take him in a quickness they want a qb to. |
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03-23-2006, 01:51 AM
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03-23-2006, 01:55 AM
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Not with a 3rd round pick... |
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03-23-2006, 02:01 AM
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Yes, if he fell to 15 at least bluff that we'll take him and force a trade out of one of the other 17 teams behind us. I don't think he will even fall halfway to our pick, and I don't want to trade up for him.
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03-23-2006, 02:05 AM
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No, I wouldn't take him at 15. Even though he has tons of athletic ability, he has the mind of 7th grader and the ego of a wide receiver. Those are two things I don't want in a quarterback in the first round.
If, and this would never happen, he fell to the very bottom of the first round or even into the second round, I'd draft him and try him as a QB, and if that didn't work I'd convert him to WR/kick-returner. That could be interesting. |
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03-23-2006, 02:24 AM
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There's not even 15 rounds in the draft!
But if there were .... hmmmmm..... maybe.  |
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03-23-2006, 02:30 AM
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Nope sorry, we don't need a QB in round 1 who isn't going to be able to play right away. If we are going to spend middle to high first round pick money, then that pick needs to be able to come in and bring it starting week 1. Young isn't that player for us.
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03-23-2006, 02:48 AM
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I'd take him at fifteen, yeah. He'd be a perfect fit for our system. Of course, it doesn't mattter because there's no way in hell he falls that far.
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03-23-2006, 05:15 AM
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Not with our pick. We dont need a ****ing quarterback!
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03-23-2006, 06:01 AM
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Absolutely. At some point the QB position needs to be addressed with a high pick, and in a year where the team has 2 1st round picks, this is probably the year to do it if one is sitting on the board at #15.
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03-23-2006, 06:39 AM
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I wouldn't take him because we already have an established QB that's helped take us to the playoffs every year he's been here. Young would be instant death to Plummer. Every time he tossed an int, jackasses (and you know who you are), would want to put Young on the field.
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