If the 49ers don't select Vernon Davis, he should drop to number 15. - The Orange Mane

GonzoLays · 03-22-2006, 12:46 PM

The eight teams that draft after San Fran have other glaring needs besides TE.

7. Oakland -- Most likely to go QB here. They also have enough passing threats in Moss and Porter that a TE would not make sense.

8. Buffalo -- They started a converted rookie TE at right tackle last season and released OT Mike Williams during the offseason. Plus they lost both of their starting DT's in Pat Williams and Sam Adams. They REALLY need an OT and DT bigtime.

9. Detroit -- They signed Marcus Pollard to huge contract last offseason. They have drafted offense in the first round the past four drafts. They need an infusion of talent on the defensive side of the ball. No way they offense.

10. Arizona -- They have two studs at WR in Fitzgerald and Boldin who take care of all the pass catching. They desperately need LBs. They have a huge whole at QB. Last year they had a rookie step up at TE and he had 300yards receiving. TE is the last of their needs.

11. St. Louis -- They had the worst defense in the NFL. Pick a spot and they could use some help on defense, especially in the defensive backfield with the loss of Archuleta. They really need defensive players because their only major move this offseason to help the defense was old man LaRoi Glover. They have to go defense in this draft.

12. Cleveland -- Switched to the 3-4 so they need defensive players who fit that bill. And Kellen Winslow is coming back from injury and they have to get a return on their investment. Highly doubtful a team goes TE in the first round twice in three years.

13. Baltimore -- They already have a stud TE in Todd Heap.

14. Philadelphia -- They already have a stud TE in LJ Smith.

15. Denver Broncos -- Vernon Davis come on down!

woo woo

Connecticut Bronco Fan · 03-22-2006, 12:52 PM

Rams would take him at 11, now if he gets past 11, he would make it to us. Unless someone trades up.

yavoon · 03-22-2006, 12:52 PM

no, someone will take him. if he wasn't 250 lbs he'd be a first round wr talent. someone will either double up ala detroit or someone will trade up to snag him.

and lj smith is not a stud.

WABronco · 03-22-2006, 12:53 PM

Keep dreaming. He won't make it past 11...

bendog · 03-22-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

no, someone will take him. if he wasn't 250 lbs he'd be a first round wr talent. someone will either double up ala detroit or someone will trade up to snag him.

Hey, King Carl could take him and play him as a WR!

ludo21 · 03-22-2006, 12:54 PM

Good try Gonzo.... But

I can see AZ, STL, and even Buff taking him. But if he slides out of their range, you are right, he could slip to us.

Willynowei · 03-22-2006, 12:55 PM

stop dreaming, Vernon is not going to any team after 10.

Kaylore · 03-22-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WABronco

Keep dreaming.

Will do!

yavoon · 03-22-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

Good try Gonzo.... But

I can see AZ, STL, and even Buff taking him. But if he slides out of their range, you are right, he could slip to us.

I could see az, stl, buff, philly, oakland. and that doesn't count ppl wanting to move up to get him.

long beach bronco · 03-22-2006, 12:56 PM

That's why if shanny really wants Davis, he'd better trade with San Fran who has many needs and get Davis at #6, because believe you me, some team is dying to move up and snag Davis. Why not us.

GonzoLays · 03-22-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

and lj smith is not a stud.

he had 700 yards receiving in only his third season in the league. Yea, I would call him a stud.

It would asinine for Philly to take a TE when your leading receiver on the team after Terrell Owens is your own starting TE.

GonzoLays · 03-22-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Connecticut Bronco Fan

Rams would take him at 11, now if he gets past 11, he would make it to us. Unless someone trades up.

The Rams have the worst defense in the league. They lost starters Adam Archuleta, Ryan Pickett, and Damoine Lewis in free agency. They have to go defense because all they did in free agency was sign LaRoi' freakin' glover. He sure as hell is not going to turn that defense around. Why go TE when your most glaring need is a CB, S, LB, and DE?

yavoon · 03-22-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

he had 700 yards receiving in only his third season in the league. Yea, I would call him a stud.

It would asinine for Philly to take a TE when your leading receiver on the team after Terrell Owens is your own starting TE.

why? whats wrong w/ a 2 te set? hell vernon davis could play wideout at 4.37.

vernon davis is the largest fastest person ever to think about catching balls in the NFL. ANYONE who thinks that the terms matchup problem are sexy, wets their pants just thinking about him. He is probably the scariest physical attributes in a receiving talent since randy moss(who did fall

)

now sure he could bust, but there is no way lj ****ing smith stops the eagles from taking someone that talented. that'd be like letting ashley lelie stop u from taking randy moss.

its also worth noting that the patriots drafted graham and watson in the first rounds in a very short time span.

rbackfactory80 · 03-22-2006, 01:03 PM

Arizona has worked hard to have a great offense, why stop now? Fitzy, Boldin, James, and Davis. I dont want to play them.

ludo21 · 03-22-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

The Rams have the worst defense in the league. They lost starters Adam Archuleta, Ryan Pickett, and Damoine Lewis in free agency. They have to go defense because all they did in free agency was sign LaRoi' freakin' glover. He sure as hell is not going to turn that defense around. Why go TE when your most glaring need is a CB, S, LB, and DE?

Because their the RAMS!

yavoon · 03-22-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

The Rams have the worst defense in the league. They lost starters Adam Archuleta, Ryan Pickett, and Damoine Lewis in free agency. They have to go defense because all they did in free agency was sign LaRoi' freakin' glover. He sure as hell is not going to turn that defense around. Why go TE when your most glaring need is a CB, S, LB, and DE?

if ur smart u draft talent over need. need drafters end up w/ sam bowie.

GonzoLays · 03-22-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

if ur smart u draft talent over need. need drafters end up w/ sam bowie.

only a bafoon would compare the NFL draft to the NBA draft.

GonzoLays · 03-22-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rbackfactory80

Arizona has worked hard to have a great offense, why stop now? Fitzy, Boldin, James, and Davis. I dont want to play them.

They need somebody to get them the ball right? Kurt Warner is not the answer.

yavoon · 03-22-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

only a bafoon would compare the NFL draft to the NBA draft.

why? it was the exact same logic, ask portland. they drafted bowie because they didnt need a shooting guard even though they knew jordan was a serious talent.

its illogical in the majority of cases to draft need over talent. afterall if u actually hit on a player he could be urs for the next 10 years. satiating some short term need will become irrelevant over that time span.

eddie mac · 03-22-2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

The Rams have the worst defense in the league. They lost starters Adam Archuleta, Ryan Pickett, and Damoine Lewis in free agency. They have to go defense because all they did in free agency was sign LaRoi' freakin' glover. He sure as hell is not going to turn that defense around. Why go TE when your most glaring need is a CB, S, LB, and DE?

This is the same Rams that signed Chavous, Glover, Witherspoon and Brown in FA.

GonzoLays · 03-22-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

why? it was the exact same logic, ask portland. they drafted bowie because they didnt need a shooting guard even though they knew jordan was a serious talent.

its illogical in the majority of cases to draft need over talent. afterall if u actually hit on a player he could be urs for the next 10 years. satiating some short term need will become irrelevant over that time span.

That is terrible analogy to use. Portland had a young Clyde Drexler and certified legit two in Jim Paxson when they drafted Bowie. Of course it was a mistake, but at the time you could see the logic. Drexler and Jordan would have made a terrible combination if they were on the same team. Drexler had an great career and had a game very similiar to Jordan in the fact that they both needed the ball in their hand to create their own offense. One of them would have been traded. Besides using the biggest draft snafo in the history of sports is tired and lame. Everyone knows Bowie career got cut short by injuries and IF he had stayed healthy he would of had a solid career. But the logic used by Portland was sound at the time, because they were set at two and three postions. What was Portland suppose to do, draft the best player every year? What if the best player every year after that was a two or three, what do they do? Hindsight is always 20/20.

In the NFL with free agency and the cap many teams draft for need instead of best talent available. If you have a gaping whole at OT and there is guy who projects to be a legit starter in this league for 10 years like a Winston Justice, do you pass on him to select a TE you really don't need? Or what about if you already have a solid young TE in place who is not a blocking TE, how do you play him? You need your Dewayne Carswells to offset your Shannon Sharpes.

watermock · 03-22-2006, 01:25 PM

It's possible he gets past 10. Oh the Days of Our Lives.

yavoon · 03-22-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

That is terrible analogy to use. Portland had a young Clyde Drexler and certified legit two in Jim Paxson when they drafted Bowie. Of course it was a mistake, but at the time you could see the logic. Drexler and Jordan would have made a terrible combination if they were on the same team. Drexler had an great career and had a game very similiar to Jordan in the fact that they both needed the ball in their hand to create their own offense. One of them would have been traded. Besides using the biggest draft snafo in the history of sports is tired and lame. Everyone knows Bowie career got cut short by injuries and IF he had stayed healthy he would of had a solid career. But the logic used by Portland was sound at the time, because they were set at two and three postions. What was Portland suppose to do, draft the best player every year? What if the best player every year after that was a two or three, what do they do? Hindsight is always 20/20.

In the NFL with free agency and the cap many teams draft for need instead of best talent available. If you have a gaping whole at OT and there is guy who projects to be a legit starter in this league for 10 years like a Winston Justice, do you pass on him to select a TE you really don't need? Or what about if you already have a solid young TE in place who is not a blocking TE, how do you play him? You need your Dewayne Carswells to offset your Shannon Sharpes.

of course u could see the logic, I just explained the logic to u. Its also why it is POOR logic. over the long haul drafting talent will surpass drafting need. need drafting will lead to a higher bust rate, need drafting will lead to fewer impact players. Neither of which is good. as for that dewayne caraswell crap, its perfectly fine to have two receiving talents at te out at the same time. the pats do it, the colts do it and I think more and more teams are going to do it.

it seems to me like u understand the value of vernon davis, ur just hoping/justifying to urself why others wont. I just dont see that as happening, I think the cat is out of the bag on this guy, he will be taken high.

-Slap- · 03-22-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

The Rams have the worst defense in the league. They lost starters Adam Archuleta, Ryan Pickett, and Damoine Lewis in free agency. They have to go defense because all they did in free agency was sign LaRoi' freakin' glover. He sure as hell is not going to turn that defense around. Why go TE when your most glaring need is a CB, S, LB, and DE?

Losing Ryan Pickett and Damione Lewis' fat lazy asses is a textbook example of addition by subtraction. They should have ****canned pillowy soft Jimmy Kennedy, too.

GonzoLays · 03-22-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

of course u could see the logic, I just explained the logic to u. Its also why it is POOR logic. over the long haul drafting talent will surpass drafting need. need drafting will lead to a higher bust rate, need drafting will lead to fewer impact players. Neither of which is good.

it seems to me like u understand the value of vernon davis, ur just hoping/justifying to urself why others wont. I just dont see that as happening, I think the cat is out of the bag on this guy, he will be taken high.

By your logic, if the best player on the draft board is a QB you select a QB. So the next season, when it is your time to draft if the best player on the board is QB you select the QB. Then the next year, if the best player on the board is QB you select that QB too. See, that is sound logic! "Over the long haul drafting talent will surpass drafting need." ha!

03-22-2006, 12:46 PM	#1
GonzoLays Five Tool Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,650 Adopt-a-Bronco: #3 DJ	If the 49ers don't select Vernon Davis, he should drop to number 15. The eight teams that draft after San Fran have other glaring needs besides TE. 7. Oakland -- Most likely to go QB here. They also have enough passing threats in Moss and Porter that a TE would not make sense. 8. Buffalo -- They started a converted rookie TE at right tackle last season and released OT Mike Williams during the offseason. Plus they lost both of their starting DT's in Pat Williams and Sam Adams. They REALLY need an OT and DT bigtime. 9. Detroit -- They signed Marcus Pollard to huge contract last offseason. They have drafted offense in the first round the past four drafts. They need an infusion of talent on the defensive side of the ball. No way they offense. 10. Arizona -- They have two studs at WR in Fitzgerald and Boldin who take care of all the pass catching. They desperately need LBs. They have a huge whole at QB. Last year they had a rookie step up at TE and he had 300yards receiving. TE is the last of their needs. 11. St. Louis -- They had the worst defense in the NFL. Pick a spot and they could use some help on defense, especially in the defensive backfield with the loss of Archuleta. They really need defensive players because their only major move this offseason to help the defense was old man LaRoi Glover. They have to go defense in this draft. 12. Cleveland -- Switched to the 3-4 so they need defensive players who fit that bill. And Kellen Winslow is coming back from injury and they have to get a return on their investment. Highly doubtful a team goes TE in the first round twice in three years. 13. Baltimore -- They already have a stud TE in Todd Heap. 14. Philadelphia -- They already have a stud TE in LJ Smith. 15. Denver Broncos -- Vernon Davis come on down! woo woo

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03-22-2006, 12:52 PM	#2
Connecticut Bronco Fan CTBF Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 330 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rick Dennison	Rams would take him at 11, now if he gets past 11, he would make it to us. Unless someone trades up.

03-22-2006, 12:52 PM	#3
yavoon Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,260	no, someone will take him. if he wasn't 250 lbs he'd be a first round wr talent. someone will either double up ala detroit or someone will trade up to snag him. and lj smith is not a stud.

03-22-2006, 12:53 PM	#4
WABronco WE SUCK AGAIN All dat force Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 4,976	Keep dreaming. He won't make it past 11...

03-22-2006, 12:54 PM	#6
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,973 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Good try Gonzo.... But I can see AZ, STL, and even Buff taking him. But if he slides out of their range, you are right, he could slip to us.

03-22-2006, 12:55 PM	#7
Willynowei Some dude Football is a wonderful thing. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,848 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	stop dreaming, Vernon is not going to any team after 10.

03-22-2006, 12:56 PM	#10
long beach bronco Registered User "I'm your Huckleberry" Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Long Beach Posts: 1,017 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	That's why if shanny really wants Davis, he'd better trade with San Fran who has many needs and get Davis at #6, because believe you me, some team is dying to move up and snag Davis. Why not us.

03-22-2006, 01:03 PM	#14
rbackfactory80 Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York Posts: 4,627	Arizona has worked hard to have a great offense, why stop now? Fitzy, Boldin, James, and Davis. I dont want to play them.

03-22-2006, 01:25 PM	#22
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	It's possible he gets past 10. Oh the Days of Our Lives.