Ready For A Ten Year War?

[Cito Pelon]

Because here it comes in Iraq. Could be worse, I guess. Gird your loins, boys and girls.

It looks like "The Iraq situation" reached the point of no return this week. The US is building huge bases in Iraq. Permanent bases. GWB said it's gonna be up to the next President to pull out of Iraq.

The US is there to stay. So, how to keep the pot from boiling over now? This move to make permanent bases in Iraq was meant by Bush/Cheny/Rumsfeld to keep the pot from boiling over. Maybe they accomplished that, maybe they didn't. Hard to say right now.

GWB has painted us in the USA into a corner, but he's also painted the rest of the UN Security Council into a corner also. Very interesting, now the cat is out of the bag as to the US's intentions in Iraq. Very, very interesting how this is all going to play out.

Post your thoughts.

[Rascal]

Got a link for them building permanent bases and Bush saying it's going to be up the next president to get out of Iraq?

I've seen actual pictures of the bases over there and everything I've seen is 90% temporary structures.

And if he goes with that then I guarantee you the winning platform will be, I will get us out of Iraq within 90 days of being elected. It's too stupid to make that claim even for Bush.

[ant1999e]

We built a base in Saudi Arabia and we left there. But There was never a doubt we would have a base established in Iraq. However, I think you are looking to deep into it.

[Bronx33]

Well what do you guys think iran would do if we pulled up the stakes and went home?

[Rohirrim]

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_3626173

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Rascal

Got a link for them building permanent bases and Bush saying it's going to be up the next president to get out of Iraq?

I've seen actual pictures of the bases over there and everything I've seen is 90% temporary structures.

And if he goes with that then I guarantee you the winning platform will be, I will get us out of Iraq within 90 days of being elected. It's too stupid to make that claim even for Bush.

I don't have a link for the permanent bases in Iraq. Sorry. I saw an article I belive in the Chicago Tribune linked out of Yahoo in their "Full Coverage" section where they looked at Barad air base north of Iraq and other bases that are getting a huge share of the billions we're spending in Iraq.

And you must not have been paying attention for the past few days if you missed GWB saying it will be up to the next President to pull out of Iraq, come on.

The die is cast, my friend. The winning platform will not be "I will get us out of Iraq in 90 days after election." I'm not even saying that. Once you build huge bases, you don't just pull out and turn them over to Iraqis. Not to mention you don't actually believe Iraq will be stable without American armor, helicopters, warplanes? Iraq could be stable with Iraqi heavy weapons, helicopters, artillery, warplanes, but that would mean turning over our heavy weapons, artillery, helicopters to the Iraqi Army. You think that's gonna happen? No way, my friend.

This is war to the bitter end. Which is why so many people never wanted to open that can of worms. So, don't attack the messenger. I'm just asking what the ramifications will be geoplotically. Where does a ten year US presence in Iraq leave Israel, China, Russia, France, Germany, Japan? How are they going to jump?

[ant1999e]

We were in Saudi Arabia for 10 yrs. We have a bases in Kuwait, UAE, Quatar. I don't think it is as big a deal as your making it.

[bendog]

The neocon plan all along was permanent bases in Iraq. In fact that prolly WAS the real reason for the war. (along with the oil that they thought we'd get cheap, but now learn that by the time we pay HAL and the terrorists we'll be paying like 120bucks a barrell ... wait, maybe the plan was to Pay HAL) We wanted permanent bases and the Saudis wanted us out of their country.

[ant1999e]

I think your right. They want a strategic base in the area.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

But There was never a doubt we would have a base established in Iraq. However, I think you are looking to deep into it.

Not at all. You better get out of your shell. Permanent US bases in Iraq are one of the hugest deals since the Cold War. The other Big Powers in the world are going to have to scramble like crazy to counter the potential strategic impact. The US has huge air bases in Diego Garcia, Guam, S Korea, Turkey, Germany, the UK, and now Iraq. I'm not a lawyer for GWB, I'm just pointing out the strategic importance, and inquiring as to how the other world military powers are going to jump now the cat is out of the bag.

I'll point out that China, Russia, France - veto-owning permanent members of the UN Security Council - have been opposed to the US and Britain, the other two veto-owning permanent members of the UN Security Council, from the get go concerning Iraq. Why? Because they were scared sh*tless of permanent US bases in Iraq. So this is a huge deal.

So you tell me, how is this going to play out? Might be a good time to reform the UN, get more permanent members on the security concil. You tell me. Japan is a big deal right now in world affairs, which way they gonna jump? You tell me, I'm interested.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

Well what do you guys think iran would do if we pulled up the stakes and went home?

Pulling out now isnt the answer , we have to get the Iraqi security forces out of Iraq for training , then brian wash them into putting country first , everything else second ........But no reason why we cant start pulling troops by summer of 2007

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

I don't have a link for the permanent bases in Iraq. Sorry. I saw an article I belive in the Chicago Tribune linked out of Yahoo in their "Full Coverage" section where they looked at Barad air base north of Iraq and other bases that are getting a huge share of the billions we're spending in Iraq.

And you must not have been paying attention for the past few days if you missed GWB saying it will be up to the next President to pull out of Iraq, come on.

The die is cast, my friend. The winning platform will not be "I will get us out of Iraq in 90 days after election." I'm not even saying that. Once you build huge bases, you don't just pull out and turn them over to Iraqis. Not to mention you don't actually believe Iraq will be stable without American armor, helicopters, warplanes? Iraq could be stable with Iraqi heavy weapons, helicopters, artillery, warplanes, but that would mean turning over our heavy weapons, artillery, helicopters to the Iraqi Army. You think that's gonna happen? No way, my friend.

This is war to the bitter end. Which is why so many people never wanted to open that can of worms. So, don't attack the messenger. I'm just asking what the ramifications will be geoplotically. Where does a ten year US presence in Iraq leave Israel, China, Russia, France, Germany, Japan? How are they going to jump?

yeah , he got us into this , faulty intell whatever , but this is his baby ....someone else has to come in and clean it up ........much like Bush's personal life ........

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by bendog

The neocon plan all along was permanent bases in Iraq. In fact that prolly WAS the real reason for the war. (along with the oil that they thought we'd get cheap.

And it worked out OK partially. I'm still very angry at France and Germany for making a bad decision in 2001-2003. The world would have been very differnt right now if they would have backed us then. The cards were right there to see, but no sir, they were not going to let the US be the leader, no sirree, they had to throw in with Russia. Hard to believe, but they threw in with Russia. So we'll see how things play out.

[Boobs McGee]

I just sit and wonder how in the hell a person like bush comes to be in control of the biggest superpower in the world. He's like a kid with an antfarm. And a very big, expensive, magnifying glass.

All the proof we need is right there on google. Just type in the word "failure" in the search box, and you'll see what I mean.

****ing George Bush, may your greed and stupidity not bring an end to the world.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Not at all. You better get out of your shell. Permanent US bases in Iraq are one of the hugest deals since the Cold War. The other Big Powers in the world are going to have to scramble like crazy to counter the potential strategic impact. The US has huge air bases in Diego Garcia, Guam, S Korea, Turkey, Germany, the UK, and now Iraq. I'm not a lawyer for GWB, I'm just pointing out the strategic importance, and inquiring as to how the other world military powers are going to jump now the cat is out of the bag.

I'll point out that China, Russia, France - veto-owning permanent members of the UN Security Council - have been opposed to the US and Britain, the other two veto-owning permanent members of the UN Security Council, from the get go concerning Iraq. Why? Because they were scared sh*tless of permanent US bases in Iraq. So this is a huge deal.

So you tell me, how is this going to play out? Might be a good time to reform the UN, get more permanent members on the security concil. You tell me. Japan is a big deal right now in world affairs, which way they gonna jump? You tell me, I'm interested.

I may be missing the point. Please enlighten me on why the U.S. having a base in Iraq is such a big deal. It wasn't a big deal when we were in Saudi or that we are in Kuwait, UAE or Quatar.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Pulling out now isnt the answer , we have to get the Iraqi security forces out of Iraq for training , then brian wash them into putting country first , everything else second ........But no reason why we cant start pulling troops by summer of 2007

Brain wash them like the military does us in basic training.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

Brain wash them like the military does us in basic training.

Yep and it is very effective , we have to instsall patriotism in hese guys , make them understand that they are fighting for the future of thier country nd thier familys .........

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

We were in Saudi Arabia for 10 yrs. We have a bases in Kuwait, UAE, Quatar. I don't think it is as big a deal as your making it.

Strategically, permanent US bases in Iraq are a huge deal. Our good ass-kicking pal Israel is right there. That's a huge deal. With the US in Iraq, and Israel the ass-kickers they have always been, there is no force in the world that can prevent the US and Israel from dominating the Middle East militarily. Doesn't matter how much anybody dislikes it, they can't do anyting about it. Naturally, it scares the crap out of China and Russia, who would really love to be in the same position, and will try as hard as they can to get into our position.

China and Russia are not team players. They have no interest in seeing the planet in harmony. They pretty much are pissed off there are other nations that don't march to their tune. They figure they are Alpha countries, and they fight to expand their influence, just 'cause they can. France and Germany are former World powers that are now relegated to fit in where you can status, and it seems to me they think they can get a better deal from Russia or China than they would from the democracies. Idiots. France and Germany if they would get behind the UK, the US, Australia and the other solid Democracies could make the difference, but no sirree, they cast their lot with Russia. Amazing. There's no way to forecast human follies.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

I may be missing the point. Please enlighten me on why the U.S. having a base in Iraq is such a big deal. It wasn't a big deal when we were in Saudi or that we are in Kuwait, UAE or Quatar.

Well, yeah, you're certainly missing the point. You trying to be cute, or what?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Well, yeah, you're certainly missing the point. You trying to be cute, or what?

...........Man I just pictured my dad standing in front of me ...........Mega props Bro

[bendog]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

And it worked out OK partially. I'm still very angry at France and Germany for making a bad decision in 2001-2003. The world would have been very differnt right now if they would have backed us then. The cards were right there to see, but no sir, they were not going to let the US be the leader, no sirree, they had to throw in with Russia. Hard to believe, but they threw in with Russia. So we'll see how things play out.

I didn't post it to support this. The neocons are insane. The war is bogus. The bases are bogus, or will be when the shiaa kick our asses out. But they were one of the primary reasons for the war. Stick a squadron of Stealth Fighters in non-refueling range of Tehran.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by bendog

I didn't post it to support this. The neocons are insane. The war is bogus. The bases are bogus, or will be when the shiaa kick our asses out. But they were one of the primary reasons for the war. Stick a squadron of Stealth Fighters in non-refueling range of Tehran.

I'm not looking for support of anything I post, I want to know if there is any stability gonna come out of this? Since the day I was born I've been fighting for geopolitical stability. The boogie-man was the Russians and Chinese since the day I was born, and hell, they still are. What the **** is going on here? It has been 50 years, and we still have the same boogie-man. What the ****? This has to come to a conclusion. If the Chinese and the Russians want a battle to end all battles, that's fine. Let's go at it and see who comes out on top.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Well, yeah, you're certainly missing the point. You trying to be cute, or what?

No I'm not trying to be cute. I just don't see the difference between us having a base in Iraq and a base in Saudi Arabia. We also have bases in Quatar, UAE, turkey and Kuwait. I'm just asking you to explain to me the diference it will make having a base in Iraq. The military is geared toward rapid deployment and ass kicking. we are already stratigically positioned in the middle east with the bases we have already. Not to mention the base in Uzbeck. I just don't see why a perminent base in Iraq makes that much of a difference. Didn't we kick Iraqs ass without a perminant base there? We don't need it to be stratigic.

[alkemical]

i think his point is the bases in iraq weren't/aren't done under peace accords, and the war was started/initiated to get that investment made.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by amesj523

i think his point is the bases in iraq weren't/aren't done under peace accords, and the war was started/initiated to get that investment made.

I understand that point and the fact that we are still on muslum land but I don't think that is his point. He talks about a ten tear war and the strategic advantage these bases give us. I don't think it would make that big a difference. we are already a force in the area. See Iraq war.