Do you think the Chargers are making a mistake? - The Orange Mane

Bob's your Information Minister · 03-11-2006, 12:47 AM

I'm ready for them to fall on their face with Rivers at QB.

I'm just sad Kerry Collins is leaving the AFC West.

SoCalBronco · 03-11-2006, 12:48 AM

I agree on both points.

orange crusher · 03-11-2006, 12:54 AM

They should have traded Rivers last year and gave Brees a long term contract.

Kaylore · 03-11-2006, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by orange crusher

They should have traded Rivers last year and gave Brees a long term contract.

Brees is a very good QB. There are no guarantees with Rivers. If he was really better, he'd be the starter by now.

Bob's your Information Minister · 03-11-2006, 12:58 AM

orange crusher · 03-11-2006, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Brees is a very good QB. There are no guarantees with Rivers. If he was really better, he'd be the starter by now.

I agree. I don't know how you don't go with the proven guy unless Drew's shoulder is messed up more than anyone knows.

Kaylore · 03-11-2006, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by orange crusher

I agree. I don't know how you don't go with the proven guy unless Drew's shoulder is messed up more than anyone knows.

I think that they signed him for so much meant that they had to lay in the bed they made for themselves. Still pretty stupid.

TheManeMan · 03-11-2006, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by orange crusher

They should have traded Rivers last year and gave Brees a long term contract.

They should have never even drafted Rivers...Gallery on that line would've been a way better decision...

broncohaven · 03-11-2006, 05:34 AM

With the QB play they've had in recent memory you'd think they would do everything possible to keep a guy wuth Brees's production around. I don't think Rivers will lead them anywhere significant for a couple of years at least.

ol number 7 · 03-11-2006, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by orange crusher

I agree. I don't know how you don't go with the proven guy unless Drew's shoulder is messed up more than anyone knows.

I'm startin to like A.J. Smith. He's a Bronco fan too. We got rid of Brees for 1 game and now A. J. is going to banish him for good. Who is the coach who put him in against a team with an ax to grind in the finale. Marty. Now you must pay; Marty. Now if Herm could only trade Trent Green it would be obvious. PAT BOWLEN OWNS the AFC West.

Finger Roll · 03-11-2006, 07:07 PM

Well Brees played his worst games against the Broncos so it could be bad for us when we play them. I don't think his arm is as messed up as people make it out to be. If it was then why are teams like New Orleans and Miami all hard over him?

Blackened · 03-11-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

I'm ready for them to fall on their face with Rivers at QB.

I'm just sad Kerry Collins is leaving the AFC West.

Love it!
Chargers let Bree walk away a free agent

Skerry gets his ass shown the door

GOOD TIMES..good times...

Orange_Beard · 03-11-2006, 09:50 PM

Seeing that they did not even make the playoffs last year I say no.
They invested in Rivers now they need to collect on that investment.

sirhcyennek81 · 03-11-2006, 09:52 PM

I'd say yes, unless Rivers becomes Brees this offseason.

Orange_Beard · 03-11-2006, 09:52 PM

Plus I think they must like to "get screwd", look who the coach is.......

chrisp · 03-12-2006, 04:36 AM

Rivers should suck a** for at least a year even if he turns out to be a pro-bowler, all young QBs are pretty poor for their first full year under center, so for this reason alone it would appear to be a crazy move becuase the Chargers have the talent to win now. The real issue, however, is the discord between Marty and the GM - right now it looks like that is going to kill that team next year.

This is why Shanny has the final word in Denver: any time there is a dispute, it is always resolved in favour of what the HC wants, so Shanny doesn't have crappy personnel decisions like this forced on him against his will. People criticise the setup in Denver, but they forget that Sundquist does all the GM legwork, it just that Shanny has the final say in any dispute.

Maybe the SD GM (Smith? Can't remember his name) wants to oust Marty and get his own guy in, but by the time he does that a playoff-contending team will be in ruins....

Of our three divisional rivals the Chargers are the only team I actually quite like, and would root for them in the superbowl if they were in it, but despite all that I am very pleased to see them fall out of contention for the division title before the opening kickoff. They will always be tough to play, but it seems like internal politics will make that 12-4 playoff season a flash in the pan, rather than the start of something big.

watermock · 03-12-2006, 05:01 AM

They had to do something. Rivers was making a ton to sit on the bench and franchising Brees wasn't credible either. He's got a busted shoulder but is a good QB. Miami I think.

boltaneer · 03-12-2006, 05:02 AM

The details of the Chargers contract offer was released by AJ Smith yesterday. What it boiled down to is this:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1chargers.html

6 years - $50M.

2006 guaranteed money - $2M
2006 Bonus - Plays 75% of snaps - $8M

2007 option/roster bonus - $6M
Guaranteed 2nd year salary if 2007 option bonus is exercised - $6.5M

To me, it seems like a very fair deal for both sides. If Brees is that confident that he'll be ready to play and keep his starting job, he gets $22.5 million over the next two seasons. The problem is he wants a much larger guaranteed amount which AJ Smith was not willing to gamble with. It will be interesting to see what New Orleans, Miami or anyone else will offer him. Will they throw down a big signing bonus to a QB who can't throw a football yet?

hades · 03-12-2006, 09:57 AM

Remember Ben Rothlesberger, he did OK his first year. Maybe Rivers can do it, maybe not. Not making the playoffs isn't any worse than they did last year. What difference is it if they go 10-6 and miss the playoffs or go 8-8 and miss the playoffs. The ultimate goal is the same, not to just make the playoffs, but win the SB!

Jason in LA · 03-12-2006, 10:14 AM

The Chargers can't keep them both, and it seems like it would be a major cap hit to trade Rivers. I thought they should have traded Brees a year ago, when they could have gotten a lot for him, and wouldn't of had a big cap hit. Now it looks like he's going to walk for nothing. They knew that Rivers was going to be their guy, because of his contract, so they should have gotten something for Brees.

Jesterhole · 03-12-2006, 10:27 AM

Getting Rivers was a huge win for San Diego. They absolutely killed New York in the trade, and it brought them a bounty of picks.

However, sticking with him, and not trading him after Brees had that MVP caliber season was a huge mistake. They could have taken the cap hit, and probably gotten a couple of high round picks for the guy.

But instead they sit him on the bench for two years, destroy his trade value, and now they take the incredible gamble of letting a top 10 QB entering his prime leave.

That's why the Chargers are, and always will be, the Chargers.

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03-11-2006, 12:47 AM	#1
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,921 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	Do you think the Chargers are making a mistake? I'm ready for them to fall on their face with Rivers at QB. I'm just sad Kerry Collins is leaving the AFC West.

03-11-2006, 12:48 AM	#2
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,318 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	I agree on both points. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

03-12-2006, 05:02 AM	#18
boltaneer 17 ATTA BABY! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: America's Finest City Posts: 4,068	The details of the Chargers contract offer was released by AJ Smith yesterday. What it boiled down to is this: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1chargers.html 6 years - $50M. 2006 guaranteed money - $2M 2006 Bonus - Plays 75% of snaps - $8M 2007 option/roster bonus - $6M Guaranteed 2nd year salary if 2007 option bonus is exercised - $6.5M To me, it seems like a very fair deal for both sides. If Brees is that confident that he'll be ready to play and keep his starting job, he gets $22.5 million over the next two seasons. The problem is he wants a much larger guaranteed amount which AJ Smith was not willing to gamble with. It will be interesting to see what New Orleans, Miami or anyone else will offer him. Will they throw down a big signing bonus to a QB who can't throw a football yet? Last edited by boltaneer; 03-12-2006 at 05:03 AM.. Reason: fixed link

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03-11-2006, 12:54 AM	#3
orange crusher Predominately Orange Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 2,563	They should have traded Rivers last year and gave Brees a long term contract.

03-11-2006, 12:58 AM	#5
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,921 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!

03-11-2006, 05:34 AM	#9
broncohaven Ring of Famer I'm Orange Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Green Mountains Posts: 2,250	With the QB play they've had in recent memory you'd think they would do everything possible to keep a guy wuth Brees's production around. I don't think Rivers will lead them anywhere significant for a couple of years at least.

03-11-2006, 07:07 PM	#11
Finger Roll Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,321	Well Brees played his worst games against the Broncos so it could be bad for us when we play them. I don't think his arm is as messed up as people make it out to be. If it was then why are teams like New Orleans and Miami all hard over him?

03-11-2006, 09:50 PM	#13
Orange_Beard Over Jay Cutler Todd Snider Rules! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leucadia, CA Posts: 7,836 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tony Scheffler	Seeing that they did not even make the playoffs last year I say no. They invested in Rivers now they need to collect on that investment.

03-11-2006, 09:52 PM	#14
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,681 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	I'd say yes, unless Rivers becomes Brees this offseason.

03-12-2006, 04:36 AM	#16
chrisp Friend of the unsung Not into the football......yet Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 1,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Danny Trevathan	Rivers should suck a** for at least a year even if he turns out to be a pro-bowler, all young QBs are pretty poor for their first full year under center, so for this reason alone it would appear to be a crazy move becuase the Chargers have the talent to win now. The real issue, however, is the discord between Marty and the GM - right now it looks like that is going to kill that team next year. This is why Shanny has the final word in Denver: any time there is a dispute, it is always resolved in favour of what the HC wants, so Shanny doesn't have crappy personnel decisions like this forced on him against his will. People criticise the setup in Denver, but they forget that Sundquist does all the GM legwork, it just that Shanny has the final say in any dispute. Maybe the SD GM (Smith? Can't remember his name) wants to oust Marty and get his own guy in, but by the time he does that a playoff-contending team will be in ruins.... Of our three divisional rivals the Chargers are the only team I actually quite like, and would root for them in the superbowl if they were in it, but despite all that I am very pleased to see them fall out of contention for the division title before the opening kickoff. They will always be tough to play, but it seems like internal politics will make that 12-4 playoff season a flash in the pan, rather than the start of something big.

03-12-2006, 05:01 AM	#17
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	They had to do something. Rivers was making a ton to sit on the bench and franchising Brees wasn't credible either. He's got a busted shoulder but is a good QB. Miami I think.

03-12-2006, 09:57 AM	#19
hades Dallas biggest Bronco fan Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: They've done studies you know.... 60% of the time, it works every time Posts: 1,807	Remember Ben Rothlesberger, he did OK his first year. Maybe Rivers can do it, maybe not. Not making the playoffs isn't any worse than they did last year. What difference is it if they go 10-6 and miss the playoffs or go 8-8 and miss the playoffs. The ultimate goal is the same, not to just make the playoffs, but win the SB!

03-12-2006, 10:14 AM	#20
Jason in LA Gimmie that rep fool! Speaking of Butts & Boob Mojo Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LA Posts: 12,253	The Chargers can't keep them both, and it seems like it would be a major cap hit to trade Rivers. I thought they should have traded Brees a year ago, when they could have gotten a lot for him, and wouldn't of had a big cap hit. Now it looks like he's going to walk for nothing. They knew that Rivers was going to be their guy, because of his contract, so they should have gotten something for Brees.

03-12-2006, 10:27 AM	#21
Jesterhole Ring of Famer Ridin' the McFailboat... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,036	Getting Rivers was a huge win for San Diego. They absolutely killed New York in the trade, and it brought them a bounty of picks. However, sticking with him, and not trading him after Brees had that MVP caliber season was a huge mistake. They could have taken the cap hit, and probably gotten a couple of high round picks for the guy. But instead they sit him on the bench for two years, destroy his trade value, and now they take the incredible gamble of letting a top 10 QB entering his prime leave. That's why the Chargers are, and always will be, the Chargers.