What has the NFLPA Done for us the FAN? - The Orange Mane

broncosteven · 03-07-2006, 01:28 PM

The owners at least get us to pay for new Stadiums so we can watch the games on new fields with new facilities (while we pay with our own tax dollars) but I was wondering what the NFL Players Association does for us, the average NFL Fan?

The players, or reps/agents, seem to want a larger piece of the owner’s pie but what are they going to do for us the lowly fan? Sign autographs after games for an hour? Give more to their foundations, some players do have big time foundations & give their time as well as money, Build better parking lots for us, build Public parks? I don't know what the NFLPA does other than act as a union to help the players exact a larger payday.

I feel that taking away money from the owners takes away money from the franchise that I root for & support. Players come & go & follow a pay day they get their money & move on. They don't care about us & look at us as an obligation that comes with the job, there are exceptions & I am generalizing but at least the owners need to lure us into their product & market it. I would rather see the money stay with the owners & have them continue to invest in their assesses than see it go to the players & disappear into the ether. Over the 30+ years I have followed & loved the Broncos my love has been for the franchise & not a single player.

Either way the rich get richer, I want the guy who has to work to get my money to richer than the guy who hits a payday & then holds out & acts like a fool. If the NFLPA could control the guys that hold out & act like fools so the average NFL fan could hear positive stories about the players instead of the headcases & multiple substance abuse offenders then I might be less inclined to side with the owners.

Any thoughts from the Mane in general?

Bob's your Information Minister · 03-07-2006, 01:31 PM

They score touchdowns for us, silly.

ludo21 · 03-07-2006, 01:34 PM

Good post bro!

I agree with all of it, but the players will always want part of the revenue, i have no big problem with that as they are the product the team is selling, but they are lucky that the owners even let them in on it. And then they have the audacity to be greedy pigs about it. ughh

orinjkrush · 03-07-2006, 01:35 PM

labor unions suck in general. if it weren't for them we could be making more money by working a 100 hours a week and our kids could make even more money too. my household budget sucks because of them.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 03-07-2006, 01:53 PM

[QUOTE=orinjkrush]labor unions suck in general. QUOTE]

Careful - you are about to get bombarded by a couple of members.

Hercules Rockefeller · 03-07-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by orinjkrush

labor unions suck in general. if it weren't for them we could be making more money by working a 100 hours a week and our kids could make even more money too. my household budget sucks because of them.

Yes, thank God unions such as the NFLPA, NHLPA, MLBPA, and NBAPA have been at the forefront of all unions in their battle for better wages and working conditions.

bendog · 03-07-2006, 02:12 PM

You look at what playing football does to their bodies, I really don't begrudge the players. I'm not sure they are as generous to the older retired players who didn't benefit from the CBAs, but ....

I agree somewhat with the critisicm of Upshaw where rooks who hold out, and some vets, really aren't financially punished. But on the other hand, the article on Birk dissing upshaw was largely over not having guaranteed contracts, and I hate guaranteed contracts in baseball. And with the big bonuses to first round picks, I can see the criticism because the % who are busts seems prolly 30%, and higher with WRs, so I can see the critisism of "players should prove they can play before they get the big bucks," cause often its the TD's who are most productive, but then a guy can blow a knee at any time, so who can blame the 1st rounders for getting it while they can.

orange crusher · 03-07-2006, 02:18 PM

If you think the owners build the new stadiums for us (the fans), you are fooling yourself. They build them so they can add luxury boxes and more concessions so they can make more money. I'll give Bowlen some credit because he isn't afraid to put money into his team, but I'll stop short of saying that he built a new stadium for the fans.

Alkazar · 03-07-2006, 02:20 PM

I tend to agree with you, personally. Too many athletes have an over-inflated sense of self worth.

Bronco_Beerslug · 03-07-2006, 02:26 PM

The owners don't do ANYTHING for the fans except take their money and then decide how much of it to give to the players.

Merlin · 03-07-2006, 02:34 PM

I thought idiot tax payers build stadiums, and owners benefited from them. Yes, owners have always been driven by their good will to help the community, and not the need to line their pockets. My bad.

Dudeskey · 03-07-2006, 02:35 PM

**** the union, I just want to be able to see a ****ing game without having to file bankruptcy the following monday...™

GonzoLays · 03-07-2006, 03:01 PM

What has the NFL ever done for us? They just take our money plain and simple. I don't see to many owners mailing out "thank you checks" to the fans for supporting the team finacially. Do you know that it costs a family of an average of 400 dollars to see a bunch of grown overpaid men hit each other. Thats crazy. But that is also good in a way because the NFL will never get more than 25 bucks a year from me. If the NFL ceased to exist tomorrow I could care less. And I love the sport.

Atlas · 03-07-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

The owners at least get us to pay for new Stadiums so we can watch the games on new fields with new facilities (while we pay with our own tax dollars) but I was wondering what the NFL Players Association does for us, the average NFL Fan?

?

I don't think it's the NFLPA's job to do anything for the fan.

2KBack · 03-07-2006, 03:15 PM

Honestly it isn't the owners or the NFLPA's job to do anything special for us. Would it be nice, sure, but they are just a buisness offering a product in demand. Go into a McDonalds sometime and claim that they owe you something because of all the bugers you've eated in your life. They didn't come to your house and say "pay for these bugers, or game tickets." You want the product, they offer the product, end of relationship. The NFLPA controls what makes a good product, the players. Do they want to please the fans, of course, that's how they make the most money. Good Products sell better. It's a bit arrogant to think that because you spent a lot of money on a something you like, that the person selling it owes you something more.

Sodak · 03-07-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Urinal_Cake

**** the union, I just want to be able to see a ****ing game without having to file bankruptcy the following monday...™

I love this post...

bronco militia · 03-07-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Urinal_Cake

**** the union, I just want to be able to see a ****ing game without having to file bankruptcy the following monday...™

haha

sirhcyennek81 · 03-07-2006, 03:32 PM

the NFLPA has given us an endless stream of Upshaw jokes, and yet another reason why anyone who was a Raider for any length of time should not be allowed to 1. run the NFL or 2. Run the Player's Union.

Raider Bill · 03-07-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

the NFLPA has given us an endless stream of Upshaw jokes, and yet another reason why anyone who was a Raider for any length of time should not be allowed to 1. run the NFL or 2. Run the Player's Union.

So Upshaw has somehow appointed himself as the head of the union and managed to maintain this position for over 20 years and all the while going against the wishes of the majority of his constituency.

sirhcyennek81 · 03-07-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Bill

So Upshaw has somehow appointed himself as the head of the union and managed to maintain this position for over 20 years and all the while going against the wishes of the majority of his constituency.

Worked for Ted Kennedy.

Taco John · 03-07-2006, 06:07 PM

They came to my Birthday party.

broncosteven · 03-07-2006, 06:44 PM

I don't belong to a union & I make a very good wage, not unfathomable millions of dollars but good money none the less.

I side more with the Owners on this dispute though their willingness to push the date back multiple times tells me that they don't want the cap to end. They at least have to part with some of their $ to fund the stadium improvements to get the Tax breaks.

Most players won't even bother to sign for fans after a football game. Rod Smith is the only exception he has signed after every game I have seen him play at home.

If anything they should cut the price of the game tickets & Directtv costs so we can enjoy their product.

anthonypacino · 03-08-2006, 02:05 AM

I totally agree broncosteve, but the sad thing is, it is just like the ticket price hikes, the price gouging during the playoffs, Even if we say we won't pay for it...someone else will. Players (some) blow off fans, Peyton makes fun of them on TV ads. All the while they forget that if we did'nt care about the game as much as we do, they would not be getting paid what they are. No desire for football=no money, most of these guys would be just like the rest of us...clawing and scratching for everything.

Rausch · 03-08-2006, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by anthonypacino

Words.......words and words and words...more words....bla bla bla

Liz Phair is friggen hot.

Kaylore · 03-08-2006, 05:31 AM

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Any thoughts from the Mane in general?

Yeah I have a few.

What has the NFLPA done for the fans? Nothing. And they aren't supposed to. They're a union and their obligation is to their constituents. That's it. Complaining that a Union of some group of workers that you're not a part of hasn't done something for you is hilarious. You might complain that the Steelworkers Union hasn't done anything for you recently, that you're upset the Amish haven't cut you a check lately, or that Save the Whales hasn't worked on your deck this week. All observations are rooted in the notion that organizations should do things that they don't do and we should be upset about it.

Now I don't like Unions. I think they had their purpose a long time ago, but now they are political puppets of the left and only serve to ensure laziness and underserved feelings of self-entitlement. I don't agree with how Gene Upshaw is playing this and it looks like he and the owners are going to end up cutting off their noses to spite their face. HOWEVER, to be upset that a special interest group isn't concerned about the broader interests of other people is and only their own interests is really pretty silly.

I'll say this too: If this is over and Gene Upshaw gets his players %59.5 (or better), everyone who has criticized him, including myself, will be eating a ton of crow and he'll look like a genius.

03-07-2006, 01:28 PM	#1
broncosteven The Kranz Dictum MWA: Flight Director Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 29,015 Adopt-a-Bronco: MONEYBALL #38	What has the NFLPA Done for us the FAN? The owners at least get us to pay for new Stadiums so we can watch the games on new fields with new facilities (while we pay with our own tax dollars) but I was wondering what the NFL Players Association does for us, the average NFL Fan? The players, or reps/agents, seem to want a larger piece of the owner’s pie but what are they going to do for us the lowly fan? Sign autographs after games for an hour? Give more to their foundations, some players do have big time foundations & give their time as well as money, Build better parking lots for us, build Public parks? I don't know what the NFLPA does other than act as a union to help the players exact a larger payday. I feel that taking away money from the owners takes away money from the franchise that I root for & support. Players come & go & follow a pay day they get their money & move on. They don't care about us & look at us as an obligation that comes with the job, there are exceptions & I am generalizing but at least the owners need to lure us into their product & market it. I would rather see the money stay with the owners & have them continue to invest in their assesses than see it go to the players & disappear into the ether. Over the 30+ years I have followed & loved the Broncos my love has been for the franchise & not a single player. Either way the rich get richer, I want the guy who has to work to get my money to richer than the guy who hits a payday & then holds out & acts like a fool. If the NFLPA could control the guys that hold out & act like fools so the average NFL fan could hear positive stories about the players instead of the headcases & multiple substance abuse offenders then I might be less inclined to side with the owners. Any thoughts from the Mane in general?

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Merlin Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,798	I thought idiot tax payers build stadiums, and owners benefited from them. Yes, owners have always been driven by their good will to help the community, and not the need to line their pockets. My bad. Last edited by Merlin; 03-07-2006 at 02:39 PM..

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03-07-2006, 01:31 PM	#2
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,916 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	They score touchdowns for us, silly.

03-07-2006, 01:34 PM	#3
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,898 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Good post bro! I agree with all of it, but the players will always want part of the revenue, i have no big problem with that as they are the product the team is selling, but they are lucky that the owners even let them in on it. And then they have the audacity to be greedy pigs about it. ughh

03-07-2006, 01:35 PM	#4
orinjkrush ... Prospects for the future... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DistrictOfCorruption Posts: 4,913 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ben Garland	labor unions suck in general. if it weren't for them we could be making more money by working a 100 hours a week and our kids could make even more money too. my household budget sucks because of them.

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Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	[QUOTE=orinjkrush]labor unions suck in general. QUOTE] Careful - you are about to get bombarded by a couple of members.

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bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	You look at what playing football does to their bodies, I really don't begrudge the players. I'm not sure they are as generous to the older retired players who didn't benefit from the CBAs, but .... I agree somewhat with the critisicm of Upshaw where rooks who hold out, and some vets, really aren't financially punished. But on the other hand, the article on Birk dissing upshaw was largely over not having guaranteed contracts, and I hate guaranteed contracts in baseball. And with the big bonuses to first round picks, I can see the criticism because the % who are busts seems prolly 30%, and higher with WRs, so I can see the critisism of "players should prove they can play before they get the big bucks," cause often its the TD's who are most productive, but then a guy can blow a knee at any time, so who can blame the 1st rounders for getting it while they can.

03-07-2006, 02:18 PM	#8
orange crusher Predominately Orange Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 2,563	If you think the owners build the new stadiums for us (the fans), you are fooling yourself. They build them so they can add luxury boxes and more concessions so they can make more money. I'll give Bowlen some credit because he isn't afraid to put money into his team, but I'll stop short of saying that he built a new stadium for the fans.

03-07-2006, 02:20 PM	#9
Alkazar NPN Mascott Bronco's Thunder Join Date: May 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,709 Adopt-a-Bronco: Steph Alexander	I tend to agree with you, personally. Too many athletes have an over-inflated sense of self worth.

03-07-2006, 02:26 PM	#10
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	The owners don't do ANYTHING for the fans except take their money and then decide how much of it to give to the players.

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Dudeskey Ring of Famer This space for rent Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 4,314	** the union, I just want to be able to see a **ing game without having to file bankruptcy the following monday...™

03-07-2006, 03:01 PM	#13
GonzoLays Five Tool Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,650 Adopt-a-Bronco: #3 DJ	What has the NFL ever done for us? They just take our money plain and simple. I don't see to many owners mailing out "thank you checks" to the fans for supporting the team finacially. Do you know that it costs a family of an average of 400 dollars to see a bunch of grown overpaid men hit each other. Thats crazy. But that is also good in a way because the NFL will never get more than 25 bucks a year from me. If the NFL ceased to exist tomorrow I could care less. And I love the sport.

03-07-2006, 03:15 PM	#15
2KBack Rumblin' Bumblin' Cake is delicious Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 7,274	Honestly it isn't the owners or the NFLPA's job to do anything special for us. Would it be nice, sure, but they are just a buisness offering a product in demand. Go into a McDonalds sometime and claim that they owe you something because of all the bugers you've eated in your life. They didn't come to your house and say "pay for these bugers, or game tickets." You want the product, they offer the product, end of relationship. The NFLPA controls what makes a good product, the players. Do they want to please the fans, of course, that's how they make the most money. Good Products sell better. It's a bit arrogant to think that because you spent a lot of money on a something you like, that the person selling it owes you something more.

03-07-2006, 03:32 PM	#18
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,668 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	the NFLPA has given us an endless stream of Upshaw jokes, and yet another reason why anyone who was a Raider for any length of time should not be allowed to 1. run the NFL or 2. Run the Player's Union.

03-07-2006, 06:07 PM	#21
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	They came to my Birthday party.

03-07-2006, 06:44 PM	#22
broncosteven The Kranz Dictum MWA: Flight Director Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 29,015 Adopt-a-Bronco: MONEYBALL #38	I don't belong to a union & I make a very good wage, not unfathomable millions of dollars but good money none the less. I side more with the Owners on this dispute though their willingness to push the date back multiple times tells me that they don't want the cap to end. They at least have to part with some of their $ to fund the stadium improvements to get the Tax breaks. Most players won't even bother to sign for fans after a football game. Rod Smith is the only exception he has signed after every game I have seen him play at home. If anything they should cut the price of the game tickets & Directtv costs so we can enjoy their product.

03-08-2006, 02:05 AM	#23
anthonypacino off season mode Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 2,283	I totally agree broncosteve, but the sad thing is, it is just like the ticket price hikes, the price gouging during the playoffs, Even if we say we won't pay for it...someone else will. Players (some) blow off fans, Peyton makes fun of them on TV ads. All the while they forget that if we did'nt care about the game as much as we do, they would not be getting paid what they are. No desire for football=no money, most of these guys would be just like the rest of us...clawing and scratching for everything.