Fiscal responsibility and terrorism..

[enjolras]

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/blog/...ponsibili.html

This just sucks... being fiscally responsible becomes a matter for homeland security. So much about this just seems so wrong.

[baja]

Remember, "Either you are with us or you are against us".

[enjolras]

*takes deep breath*

Now that my initial reaction has worn off and I've done some research.. I'm not quite as incensed. I think there may be some logic and fairness to whats going on here... and the article is clearly rather one sided....

Need to find out more before I get completely outraged.. the fact that we're having to worry about this type of government meddling does suck tho.

[mosca]

i liked the response by 'Good American' - "who gives a crap as long as they get the technology good enough not (to) inconvenience you. I don't have anything to hide."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[Spider]

Originally Posted by mosca

i liked the response by 'Good American' - "who gives a crap as long as they get the technology good enough not (to) inconvenience you. I don't have anything to hide."

I wont insult you , but you need to go look up what it means to be an American , then you will see just how communist, that statement you just made is

[alkemical]

Why should i be guilty automatically?

[mosca]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I wont insult you , but you need to go look up what it means to be an American , then you will see just how communist, that statement you just made is

please direct me to your definition of what it means to be an american (and/or communist) so that i can be properly enlightened, spider. i've already checked wikipedia and dictionary.com and haven't found much correlation to the issue at hand.

large monetary transactions are red-flagged. it's happened for years and now, post 9/11, is happening more often. what's the problem with the government keeping tabs on the legal exchange of money? if you aren't cool with this maybe you should pay for stuff with straight cash, or maybe you can switch over to the old bartering system... y'know... beads, trinkets, etc.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by mosca

please direct me to your definition of what it means to be an american (and/or communist) so that i can be properly enlightened, spider. i've already checked wikipedia and dictionary.com and haven't found much correlation to the issue at hand.

It is simple , It isnt about having anything to hide , it is about being Innocent untill proved guilty ........

large monetary transactions are red-flagged. it's happened for years and now, post 9/11, is happening more often. what's the problem with the government keeping tabs on the legal exchange of money? if you aren't cool with this maybe you should pay for stuff with straight cash, or maybe you can switch over to the old bartering system... y'know... beads, trinkets, etc.

I already pay cash for everything , Credit is a rip off why shouldI pay intrest to someone for loaning me money ? ever heard of hard work sacraficing , saving up to buy somthing ? if you cant pay for it , you cant afford it , or you part of the I deserve a big screen TV , new car , New funiture without working hard for it ?Granted I dont drive brand new cars , I have a 1998 F150 1999 Montana mini van , but I own em ...........

[Spider]

I guess it is ok though mosca, millions of people got credit cards , maxed them out , and only try to pay the minimum payment , then sit back and wonder why they have ot morgage thier house 3 times ...... then when that runs out , they find themselfs in debt up past thier eyeballs and facing bankrupcy .......That never did appeal to me , so I put away 10% of my paychecks every week and built up a nice little nest egg .............

[mosca]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

It is simple , It isnt about having anything to hide , it is about being Innocent untill proved guilty ........

this article isn't about anyone being innocent nor guilty. no one levelled accusations at the couple in the article, there was simply a delay in the processing of their payment. sure, that was an inconvenience, and is something that financial institutions and the government need to work on. hopefully with technology continually improving, such inconveniences will be less common, if not cease altogether.

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I already pay cash for everything , Credit is a rip off why shouldI pay intrest to someone for loaning me money ? ever heard of hard work sacraficing , saving up to buy somthing ? if you cant pay for it , you cant afford it , or you part of the I deserve a big screen TV , new car , New funiture without working hard for it ?Granted I dont drive brand new cars , I have a 1998 F150 1999 Montana mini van , but I own em ...........

i hear ya on that. the only reason i see for using a credit card is to establish credit, and in case of emergency. and no, if you're asking, i try not to be part of that materialistic me-first gotta-have-it-now generation that we see too often. my car's a 1997 corolla that i hope to drive until it has about 200,000 miles on it. i still have the same TV that i bought in high school almost 10 years ago and as for furniture, it's all either cheap used stuff or hand-me-downs from the same era.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by mosca

this article isn't about anyone being innocent nor guilty. no one levelled accusations at the couple in the article, there was simply a delay in the processing of their payment. sure, that was an inconvenience, and is something that financial institutions and the government need to work on. hopefully with technology continually improving, such inconveniences will be less common, if not cease altogether.


i hear ya on that. the only reason i see for using a credit card is to establish credit, and in case of emergency. and no, if you're asking, i try not to be part of that materialistic me-first gotta-have-it-now generation that we see too often. my car's a 1997 corolla that i hope to drive until it has about 200,000 miles on it. i still have the same TV that i bought in high school almost 10 years ago and as for furniture, it's all either cheap used stuff or hand-me-downs from the same era.

well we argee on the fiscal part ..........I bought a big screen now the damn thing has a Nick toon channel burn in ......I bought a new couch 7 years ago

[enjolras]

large monetary transactions are red-flagged. it's happened for years and now, post 9/11, is happening more often. what's the problem with the government keeping tabs on the legal exchange of money? if you aren't cool with this maybe you should pay for stuff with straight cash, or maybe you can switch over to the old bartering system... y'know... beads, trinkets, etc.

Because government has no business knowing what transactions I make.. no matter how large they are. Just because it has been happening (although post 9/11 the amounts that trigger this have dropped quite a bit) does not make it right.

What business does government have monitoring the flow of money between private individuals/organizations? I, for one, am not comfortable with my government having carte blanche to spy on my purchase habits.

If they have cause to suspect me of a crime, and have obtained a warrant (IE: in the same vein as wiretaps) then that is one thing. However, simply fishing through large exchanges of money is simply not right. The privacy of the individual is extremely important for a free society to function. These types of things erode that.

[alkemical]

Why should i be treated as guilty if i have done nothing wrong? Why should i allow my right to be free, and enjoy liberty be sacrificed for the cause of treating me as though i'm a criminal?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I wont insult you , but you need to go look up what it means to be an American , then you will see just how communist, that statement you just made is

True that is.

Watching neo-Federalists like mosca cheer the dismantling of the Constitution, the establishment of an all-powerful executive, and the destruction of the tripartite system of government that has guided America for 200+ years is enough to make your stomach turn, isn't it?

[mosca]

Originally Posted by enjolras

Because government has no business knowing what transactions I make.. no matter how large they are. Just because it has been happening (although post 9/11 the amounts that trigger this have dropped quite a bit) does not make it right.

What business does government have monitoring the flow of money between private individuals/organizations? I, for one, am not comfortable with my government having carte blanche to spy on my purchase habits.

let's see... you are making transactions with currency that the federal government supplies and regulates. you're using banks that the federal government insures. the irs has been auditing people for who knows how many years. the flow of money has been monitored for years on end and is nothing new.

since you are benefitting from an economy that is propped up by the federal government in the first place, i'd say that it is plenty of their business to know what's taking place within it.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by mosca

let's see... you are making transactions with currency that the federal government supplies and regulates. you're using banks that the federal government insures. the irs has been auditing people for who knows how many years. the flow of money has been monitored for years on end and is nothing new.

since you are benefitting from an economy that is propped up by the federal government in the first place, i'd say that it is plenty of their business to know what's taking place within it.

Well the Fed Reserve isn't actually part of the federal gov't. they actually 'loan' the money they print to the gov't. So not only do you pay a fee for the money you use, then they have inflation that devalues the money you use even further.

It also makes you wonder about the 'private' SSI fund that will be tied to Wall*Street.....