PFT: Broncos reached deal for Abraham! - Page 10 - The Orange Mane

DBroncos4life · 03-02-2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

first round dline busts are plentiful.

death and taxes.

DBroncos4life · 03-02-2006, 10:10 PM

I'd love to add Andre Carter. That would give us three top ten picks from the 01 draft.

-Slap- · 03-02-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 12th man

I don't want to lose a first rounder either. But I think Abraham would pay for him self. We would probably get a good pass rusher with one of our first round picks anyway. Why chance on a rookie when JA can come in and get around 10 sacks?

But I think Abraham would play for him self.

-Slap- · 03-02-2006, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 12th man

I posted this from the other Abraham post. here it is just in case you missed it.

I agree with you . I mean In 97/98, or I should say when Shanahan brought in vet guys on the line such as Alfred Williams, Keith Traylor and Neil Smith. Those guys came from different teams, were more experienced and performed well. Then we draft Pryce in 97 and he has 2. sacks. Then in 98 he has 8 sacks. We drafted Maa Tunavasa in 95 and he had 5 sacks in two years, then in 97 he had 8 sacks and 8 sacks in 98. So I agree with you that we need guys like Abraham just in case the rookie doesn not perform well his first seaon. Im not saying I wouldn't like to draft a DL because I think we should, but we need a vet player like Abraham.

Those vets you're talking about didn't cost nearly what Abraham will, in either draft picks or in payroll.

ludo21 · 03-02-2006, 10:15 PM

hmmmmm, i would take Edwards or Carter as well.

And keep our first rounders....cool

i seem to have forgotten about them.

SportinOne · 03-02-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

Hey whats your GT?

Wanna play a game tonight?

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TheManeMan · 03-02-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

I'd love to add Andre Carter. That would give us three top ten picks from the 01 draft.

Very interesting...I think you might be onto something...

12th man · 03-02-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

But I think Abraham would play for him self.

Like Shanahan cares. if he thinks he can produce for us he'll get him. It's all up to Shanny.

SportinOne · 03-02-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 12th man

I have a favorite play with putz to. Im in Strong i formation and jeb has an option route. he can curl or he can go straight and turn left. He always turns left and get like 10 yrds every time. it's money in the end zone to.

in the red zone, it's all Rod for me..

I substitute him right next to Ashley in both Shotgun-5wide and Shotgun-Slot.... Ashley on the outside, Rod in closer to the line. The short slants are deadly with him.

ludo21 · 03-02-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheChamp

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Lestat · 03-02-2006, 10:22 PM

Edwards,Carter(1 of the 2) then add a DT in the draft + Tapp in the 2nd & your in much better shape than trading for Abraham

12th man · 03-02-2006, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Those vets you're talking about didn't cost nearly what Abraham will, in either draft picks or in payroll.

Obviously if we get him we would give him big money and give the jets a draft pick. he's a good player. do you think guys like this come cheap? why chance it in the draft when we could get him. We have all been saying this offseason we need a dominant pass rusher. Well heres our chance, and people are compaining about what it will cost us. He would be worth it.

DBroncos4life · 03-02-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 12th man

Obviously if we get him we would give him big money and give the jets a draft pick. he's a good player. do you think guys like this come cheap? why chance it in the draft when we could get him. We have all been saying this offseason we need a dominant pass rusher. Well heres our chance, and people are compaining about what it will cost us. He would be worth it.

How would you feel if we trade the pick and then lets say Kiwi gets drafted in his place. While Abe goes on to give us three years of 10 plus sacks, Kiwi goes onto match Abes first two totals then every year after that he improves on them?

12th man · 03-02-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

How would you feel if we trade the pick and then lets say Kiwi gets drafted in his place. While Abe goes on to give us three years of 10 plus sacks, Kiwi we goes onto match Abes first two totals then every year after that he improves on them?

Man, im just tired of projects. I mean we are so close to a SB. we need guy who can help us right now. Abraham can do that. It seems like we get these dlineman in the draft and it takes a year or two for them to be good, then they are out of the organization. Im so tired of that. We need to bring in guys like abraham who are dominant and could help us right now.

Dagmar · 03-02-2006, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 12th man

Man, im just tired of projects. I mean we are so close to a SB. we need guy who can help us right now. Abraham can do that. It seems like we get these dlineman in the draft and it takes a year or two for them to be good, then they are out of the organization. Im so tired of that. We need to bring in guys like abraham who are dominant and could help us right now.

Damn straight!

12th man · 03-02-2006, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

How would you feel if we trade the pick and then lets say Kiwi gets drafted in his place. While Abe goes on to give us three years of 10 plus sacks, Kiwi goes onto match Abes first two totals then every year after that he improves on them?

sorry for not answering you question.I'll answere it with a question. what if kiwi is a bust? what if he gets injured? What if JA stays consistant. the point is I don't know what's going to happen with kiwi. but I do know JA is a good player. And if your question becomes a reality I would say that's life, because abraham is proven and would more than likely help us now.

DBroncos4life · 03-02-2006, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 12th man

Man, im just tired of projects. I mean we are so close to a SB. we need guy who can help us right now. Abraham can do that. It seems like we get these dlineman in the draft and it takes a year or two for them to be good, then they are out of the organization. Im so tired of that. We need to bring in guys like abraham who are dominant and could help us right now.

I don't view Abraham as dominant. Strahan, Peppers, Freeney, and Taylor. Now those guys are dominant. He is a very good player but for the long run I would rather risk things in the draft.

NFLBRONCO · 03-02-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 12th man

Man, im just tired of projects. I mean we are so close to a SB. we need guy who can help us right now. Abraham can do that. It seems like we get these dlineman in the draft and it takes a year or two for them to be good, then they are out of the organization. Im so tired of that. We need to bring in guys like abraham who are dominant and could help us right now.

I'd rather build for the future then play for 2 or 3 yrs SB window in tough AFC no gaurantees we will even see SB. 29th pick might not be as good but, alot cheaper for 5 years if no good we try again less risk easier on cap.

DBroncos4life · 03-02-2006, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 12th man

sorry for not answering you question.I'll answere it with a question. what if kiwi is a bust? what if he gets injured? What if JA stays consistant. the point is I don't know what's going to happen with kiwi. but I do know JA is a good player. And if your question becomes a reality I would say that's life, because abraham is proven and would more than likely help us now.

what if Abe gets ran over by a bus? What if Abe struggles without a the help of another pass rushing DE like he has in NY? What if we give Abe the world money wise and he gets us 5 sacks this year? Atleast with the rookie blowing the money is less.

SportinOne · 03-02-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

How would you feel if we trade the pick and then lets say Kiwi gets drafted in his place. While Abe goes on to give us three years of 10 plus sacks, Kiwi goes onto match Abes first two totals then every year after that he improves on them?

How would you feel if we didn't trade for JA, and instead drafted KIWI who turned out to be a bust. Or even if he wasn't a bust, what if it took him three to four years to become productive? Both of those scenarios would result in probably 3 sacks a year for the next three years, while getting JA would result in an average of about 9 sacks a year for the next 3 years, possibly more. In four years, Lepsis, Nalen, Lynch, and Rod are definitly gone. Plummer is on the verge of retirement, Champ has lost a step, Wilson not as dominant...

Unless anyone thinks KIWI will outperform JA over the next 3 years, it makes no sense NOT to make the trade. And that's assuming KIWI is still available..

We can still draft Bunkley with the #22.. there's your longetivity..

If KIWI is so good why not take him instead of Bunkley at #22?

The guy's gonna be in our ring of fame one day, so even if Reggie is still there you have to consider KIWI.

yavoon · 03-02-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

I'd rather build for the future then play for 2 or 3 yrs SB window in tough AFC no gaurantees we will even see SB. 29th pick might not be as good but, alot cheaper for 5 years if no good we try again less risk easier on cap.

I think if u can get 3-4 years out of a player that for most players thats all the future u should really plan for.

DBroncos4life · 03-02-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheChamp

How would you feel if we didn't trade for JA, and instead drafted KIWI who turned out to be a bust. Or even if he wasn't a bust, what if it took him three to four years to become productive? Both of those scenarios would result in probably 3 sacks a year for the next three years, while getting JA would result in an average of about 9 sacks a year for the next 3 years, possibly more. In four years, Lepsis, Nalen, Lynch, and Rod are definitly gone. Plummer is on the verge of retirement, Champ has lost a step, Wilson not as dominant...

Unless anyone thinks KIWI will outperform JA over the next 3 years, it makes no sense NOT to make the trade. And that's assuming KIWI is still available..

We can still draft Bunkley with the #22.. there's your longetivity..

If KIWI is so good why not take him instead of Bunkley at #22?

The guy's gonna be in our ring of fame one day, so even if Reggie is still there you have to consider KIWI.

I lost you. Im sorry but I believe the team will still be good in 4 years with or without those players you named. If we are that worried that we will pick a bust at 29 then fire all the scouts and get new ones that can do their damn jobs.

12th man · 03-02-2006, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

I'd rather build for the future then play for 2 or 3 yrs SB window in tough AFC no gaurantees we will even see SB. 29th pick might not be as good but, alot cheaper for 5 years if no good we try again less risk easier on cap.

WTF? Im tired of building for the future. We are not a team that builds for the future anymore. we were that 3 damn years ago. We are now once again a team to compete for a championship. We are one or two players away from dominating the nfl. How could you tell me after getting to the AFC Championship game that we need to build for the future. That's insane! It is a tough afc and we are one of the best in it. why would you build for the future when we are one or two guys away? builing for the future with this team would make us mediocore.

12th man · 03-02-2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

what if Abe gets ran over by a bus? What if Abe struggles without a the help of another pass rushing DE like he has in NY? What if we give Abe the world money wise and he gets us 5 sacks this year? Atleast with the rookie blowing the money is less.

I think we should take a chance with abraham just because he is proven. I want a guy who can help us now rather than later. that's all.

Gcver2ver3 · 03-02-2006, 11:18 PM

I'm happy to see that most people are for us getting Abraham....much like myself....although i voted in favor only if CBA deal is extended...

31 - 10 in favor of Abraham.....

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Great move! But only if new CBA deal is reached.	12	18.46%
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03-02-2006, 10:10 PM	#227
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,584	I'd love to add Andre Carter. That would give us three top ten picks from the 01 draft.

03-02-2006, 10:15 PM	#230
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,911 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	hmmmmm, i would take Edwards or Carter as well. And keep our first rounders....cool i seem to have forgotten about them.

03-02-2006, 10:22 PM	#236
Lestat Oreo Lucian Rockefeller The New Age Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 5,169	Edwards,Carter(1 of the 2) then add a DT in the draft + Tapp in the 2nd & your in much better shape than trading for Abraham

03-02-2006, 11:18 PM	#250
Gcver2ver3 Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,629 Adopt-a-Bronco: not Lance Ball	I'm happy to see that most people are for us getting Abraham....much like myself....although i voted in favor only if CBA deal is extended... 31 - 10 in favor of Abraham.....