Do You Like International Trade? Get Used to Seeing More of This

[epicSocialism4tw]

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[Bronco_Beerslug]

Child labor, slave labor, labor encampments, been happening for years and years. What do you think made the Walmart and Kmart execs billionaires?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Child labor, slave labor, labor encampments, been happening for years and years. What do you think made the Walmart and Kmart execs billionaires?

International trade did. Opening trade with China is really a great thing for those concerned with ethical business. They are reknowned for their value of human rights.

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by angryllama

International trade did. Opening trade with China is really a great thing for those concerned with ethical business. They are reknowned for their value of human rights.

That we can put directly on Billy hummer clinton

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Hotrod

That we can put directly on Billy hummer clinton

"Outsourcing is just a new way of doing international trade," N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic Advisors.



The manufacturing sector has lost nearly 2.8 million manufacturing jobs since January 2001.

What’s more, the 7.7 million officially unemployed represents only about 57 percent of all U.S. workers—approximately 13.6 million, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics—who are either unemployed, underemployed in part-time jobs out of economic necessity or who have become so discouraged that they have given up looking for work.
http://tinyurl.com/7uqww

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

"Outsourcing is just a new way of doing international trade," N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic Advisors.



The manufacturing sector has lost nearly 2.8 million manufacturing jobs since January 2001.

What’s more, the 7.7 million officially unemployed represents only about 57 percent of all U.S. workers—approximately 13.6 million, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics—who are either unemployed, underemployed in part-time jobs out of economic necessity or who have become so discouraged that they have given up looking for work.
http://tinyurl.com/7uqww

All this made possible my the favored trade partner stuff no

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Hotrod

All this made possible my the favored trade partner stuff no

All this made possible by corporate America, Wall Street and it's enablers.

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

All this made possible by corporate America, Wall Street and it's enablers.

Is this not the point in all discussions in this forum where the leftist tell us how were just deflecting Billy boy opened the door for this and you know it

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by Hotrod

Is this not the point in all discussions in this forum where the leftist tell us how were just deflecting Billy boy opened the door for this and you know it

I suppose NAFTA wasn't supported by Bill

[REB]

This is a topic that has always bothered me. I don't quite understand I guess. All this talk over the years about free trade and it's the way to go and it's beneficial to everyone involved. Then why is it we have these hugh trade deficits? Why are so many of our companys shipping our jobs overseas? I think what we should be striving for is FAIR trade and if we can do that freely then great, but countries like China and some other's who don't want to play fair then there should be tariff's. And I think both parties are to blame in this. Am I missing something with all of this? And if so please educate me.

[Hotrod]

Just like most issues both parties have some degree of blame to accept. Personally I just saw a chance to stick my keyboard finger in Beerslugs eye and took it

[Rohirrim]

You know what will be really funny (in a nasty sort of way) some years down the road? When China's plans finally come to fruition and they go full steam nationalistic and militaristic and America wakes up to find they have no conventional armed forces, and no manufacturing base (like they had in WWII) to quickly build up a huge, conventional force to compete with China. Taiwan will be toast. Maybe South Korea as well. Who knows about Japan? China will rule the Pacific. They'll probably go after all that oil in Brunei as well, just like the Japanese did. And all those Americans will suddenly realize that the cheap DVD player they bought at Walmart not only helped the Chinese build that army, but the trade deficit that resulted further weakened our economy, not to mention that at some point, they'll go off the dollar and tank our economy. I feel like Winston Churchill living in a world of Nevilles. And the Walmart chant goes on, "I don't give a shiite about America! I want cheap goods!"

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Hotrod

Is this not the point in all discussions in this forum where the leftist tell us how were just deflecting Billy boy opened the door for this and you know it

No argument from me. On the list of stupid things Bubba did, NAFTA ranks right up there with Monica.

[REB]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

You know what will be really funny (in a nasty sort of way) some years down the road? When China's plans finally come to fruition and they go full steam nationalistic and militaristic and America wakes up to find they have no conventional armed forces, and no manufacturing base (like they had in WWII) to quickly build up a huge, conventional force to compete with China. Taiwan will be toast. Maybe South Korea as well. Who knows about Japan? China will rule the Pacific. They'll probably go after all that oil in Brunei as well, just like the Japanese did. And all those Americans will suddenly realize that the cheap DVD player they bought at Walmart not only helped the Chinese build that army, but the trade deficit that resulted further weakened our economy, not to mention that at some point, they'll go off the dollar and tank our economy. I feel like Winston Churchill living in a world of Nevilles. And the Walmart chant goes on, "I don't give a shiite about America! I want cheap goods!"

I hear ya man. Sooner or later the chit is gonna hit the fan and everyone will be asking, WTF? How'd this happen?

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by REB

I hear ya man. Sooner or later the chit is gonna hit the fan and everyone will be asking, WTF? How'd this happen?

The really mean part of this joke will be when we realize our manufacturing base is in China.

Maybe if we ask nice they'll build us some tanks?

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The really mean part of this joke will be when we realize our manufacturing base is in China.

Maybe if we ask nice they'll build us some tanks?

Me and Spider have been yelling about this in here for about a year now. All we ever get for a response is from some crazy dude 'W*GS' calling us racists

[alkemical]

manufacturing from europe is moving over here though.

Europe is slipping faster than us.

[enjolras]

We've been over this a hundred times and I just don't have the energy to drudge up the references to the facts.. again.

Little gems like the fact that our manufacturing sector is producing at its highest output EVER. Clearly it doesn't change anyones mind... the 'oh my god our economies going to hell!' thing that's been going on for 3 decades just seems too ingrained at this point.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by enjolras

We've been over this a hundred times and I just don't have the energy to drudge up the references to the facts.. again.

Little gems like the fact that our manufacturing sector is producing at its highest output EVER.

If you mean working harder, longer and for less money, you're right. If you don't they ship your job overseas.

[Rohirrim]

It depends on what you mean when you say “productivity.” Modern American manufacturing should more realistically be classified as “assembly.” Yes, we have factories filled with robots that can assemble more cars faster than we ever did. We don’t make the rubber anymore. The Gates plant in Denver just shut down for good. Drive from Lackawanna to Pittsburgh to Cleveland and you’ll see miles and miles and miles of rusting steel plants. We don’t make the steel. We don’t make the bearings, the gears, the motors, or just about anything else. We get it all from somewhere else (SE Asia, China, Mexico, etc.) and we assemble it. Look under the hood of you car. The starter, water pump and generator were made in Mexico. The electrical components were made in Japan or SE Asia or China. Same with the tires. If America was forced into the kind of conventional warfare that China would represent, requiring a massive manufacturing machine like we had in WWII, that could quickly be switched over to war production, we’d be SOL. I wonder if we even have the know-how any more in this country that could get a steel plant up and running.

[alkemical]

yeah but we got .50 cent

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Hotrod

That we can put directly on Billy hummer clinton

Free trade? Yes.

Human rights and environmental violations by the Wally Worlds of the world?

No.

I thought you GOPers were supposed to be all about "personal responsibility?"

[Broncos Rule]

We will never fight a "conventional" war against China.

Also, the age of tank warfare is all but over.

Good thing too - Chaina would kick our ass something unmerciful.

Fortunately, we are the country with the sack to use nukes for tactical and strategic advantage. We've done 'er before, and just might do 'er again..

And everybody knows it. Including China.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by Broncos Rule

We will never fight a "conventional" war against China.

Also, the age of tank warfare is all but over.

Good thing too - Chaina would kick our ass something unmerciful.

Fortunately, we are the country with the sack to use nukes for tactical and strategic advantage. We've done 'er before, and just might do 'er again..

And everybody knows it. Including China.

Why do you even think that China is military is 20-25 year behind us in most technologies (GPS, ability to fight at night, satellite communications), doesn't have battle tested force, doesn't have the ability to project power anywhere in the world like the US. Don't confuse large military with effective force. The reason China wouldn't fight a conventional land air doctrine is because the US would eat it lunch. Add in the fact that China depends on the US economy to grow it a lose lose proposition for them.

As side note, child labor is going to occur in the 3rd world if there was free trade or not. Free trade benefits young women most in the 3rd world and general gives them only chance of political and economically freedom. A country that doesn't oppress it women usually is a free country and friend to US interests.

[baja]

Originally Posted by REB

This is a topic that has always bothered me. I don't quite understand I guess. All this talk over the years about free trade and it's the way to go and it's beneficial to everyone involved. Then why is it we have these hugh trade deficits? Why are so many of our companys shipping our jobs overseas? I think what we should be striving for is FAIR trade and if we can do that freely then great, but countries like China and some other's who don't want to play fair then there should be tariff's. And I think both parties are to blame in this. Am I missing something with all of this? And if so please educate me.

What I have to say is so darn important that I write it in big bold blue letters