Nugs To Acquire Steve Francis?

[Nuggets4]

The biggest name pimping this is Peter Vescey, which normally means it's false. But I've heard it a few other places as well. Vescey is saying we're sending Nene & Watson to the Knicks in the deal (3 or 4 way), while I read somewhere else (can't remember where now) that we're sending Kenyon (or, as CO accurately calls him, Kenyon).

I hate Francis, so I'm against any deal. That said, as long as we keep Dre to run the point, it might not be a complete failure. Thoughts?

[GonzoLays]

I heard Francis was going to Boston for Raef Lafrentz and two first round draft picks.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

So Nugs give up Kenyon, Watson, and Nene and only get Francis back?

[RhymesayersDU]

I think we need a legit 2nd scorer, but with that said, I don't know if I want Francis.

[WABronco]

I read on another rumor site that Watson would be spun off to Seattle.

Yess......

[RhymesayersDU]

Yeah WA, I read that the Watson to Seattle talks were open again.

Anyways, how bout that game last night everybody? Andre Miller with the steal to win the game.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Nuggets4

The biggest name pimping this is Peter Vescey, which normally means it's false. But I've heard it a few other places as well. Vescey is saying we're sending Nene & Watson to the Knicks in the deal (3 or 4 way), while I read somewhere else (can't remember where now) that we're sending Kenyon (or, as CO accurately calls him, Kenyon).

I hate Francis, so I'm against any deal. That said, as long as we keep Dre to run the point, it might not be a complete failure. Thoughts?

He has the same disease that I have. It's pretty amazing to me that he can even play at all.

[Ray Finkle]

take Vescey at half face value.....he is correct about 35% of the time.

[RhymesayersDU]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...alt_to_denver/

Francis On The Verge Of Being Dealt To Denver?
5th February, 2006 - 11:56 am
NY Post - He may not know all the particulars, but Peter Vecsey does know Steve Francis, whose friction of late with coach Brian Hill and consequent two-game suspension is well documented, is on the verge of being sent from Orlando to Denver.

In exchange, the Nuggets would give up Nene and Watson, who would either wind up in New York or Seattle. Obviously, the Knicks would have to surrender one of their youngbloods, preferably a guard, whereas the Sonics are prepared to part with Reggie Evans, Ronald Murray and Vitaly Potapenko. The second wave of talks is linked to Ratliff, Ruben Patterson and Penny Hardaway.

"Everyone is on board with the Francis trade but one team," asserted one of the participants, declining to divulge its identity. "Something's either going to get done or it'll be dead within the next 48 hours."

[RhymesayersDU]

If all we traded was Nene and Watson, I'd be so amped for this trade.

andre/franchise/melo/kmart/camby

ooooooooh yeeeeeeeah.

[watermock]

NBA trade rumors are constant. If we wind up with Ricky, T.O. and Francis, I will lose it and move to Oakland for something more sane.

[Clockwork Orange]

Unless he's willing to play the 2, we have no use for Francis.

[halfcreek]

Originally Posted by watermock

NBA trade rumors are constant. If we wind up with Ricky, T.O. and Francis, I will lose it and move to Oakland for something more sane.

Well, that clinches it. Pull the trigger on all three.

[WABronco]

Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...alt_to_denver/

Francis On The Verge Of Being Dealt To Denver?
5th February, 2006 - 11:56 am
NY Post - He may not know all the particulars, but Peter Vecsey does know Steve Francis, whose friction of late with coach Brian Hill and consequent two-game suspension is well documented, is on the verge of being sent from Orlando to Denver.

In exchange, the Nuggets would give up Nene and Watson, who would either wind up in New York or Seattle. Obviously, the Knicks would have to surrender one of their youngbloods, preferably a guard, whereas the Sonics are prepared to part with Reggie Evans, Ronald Murray and Vitaly Potapenko. The second wave of talks is linked to Ratliff, Ruben Patterson and Penny Hardaway.

"Everyone is on board with the Francis trade but one team," asserted one of the participants, declining to divulge its identity. "Something's either going to get done or it'll be dead within the next 48 hours."

The team holding it up is probably Seattle. Ughhh...

[Nuggets4]

Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

take Vescey at half face value.....he is correct about 35% of the time.

I take Vescey at negative value. He's never right. That said, this rumor has been going for a LONG time, and it's pretty well known that Kiki has a hard on for Stevie.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Unless he's willing to play the 2, we have no use for Francis.

He has to play the 2. Orlando gave up trying to use him as a PG which he's useless at. Makes it that much more important that we don't trade Dre in any deal for SF.

Ugh. I hate Francis. I'm not sure I can handle this.

[Paladin]

I don't know the "Saga of Francis" so I don't know the ins and outs or the pros and cons of this rumor. Really doesn't matter yet until someone does something. Right now, I am of the mind that the Nuggets need a big a$$ed mean mofocking center who can rebound and put a couple of elbows into the opposition in the lane. And plays more nights than not. Don't know if there is one of them around or not, but that would be nice.

The play by Miller was neat, particularly after that Wannabe Center threw the damm intercept away. Why wouldn't the Nuggets want to throw Boykins in as a throw in, so to speak?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Francis is a wreck. Bringing him in to play with Anthony is a big mistake. I hope that Denver turns this deal down really quickly.

Here's what Denver needs to do: trade Anthony for Chris Paul.

[ChampBailey24]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Francis is a wreck. Bringing him in to play with Anthony is a big mistake. I hope that Denver turns this deal down really quickly.

Here's what Denver needs to do: trade Anthony for Chris Paul.

trade the chosen one are you crazy!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by ChampBailey24

trade the chosen one are you crazy!

The chosen one? Chosen to do what? Chris Paul is a winner. Mark my words, he'll be the best PG in the league and one of the league's dominant 2-way players within 3 years.

OKC is as good as Anthony's team right now. Who has the better talent?

[Casper Bronco]

I'm all for it. I don't know about you guys but I am getting sick and tired of kenyon martin. His constant injuries and inconsistent play is getting old. Add that to the fact that makes entirely too much money. The nuggets would you get a scorer (from outside) who would play the 2 guard and switch off with Andre Miller.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by C Fizzle

I'm all for it. I don't know about you guys but I am getting sick and tired of kenyon martin. His constant injuries and inconsistent play is getting old. Add that to the fact that makes entirely too much money. The nuggets would you get a scorer (from outside) who would play the 2 guard and switch off with Andre Miller.

Francis basically is Miller. Francis doesnt pass as much and dominates the ball much more than Miller. I actually like Miller much better than I do Francis. Francis is waaay overrated. His all-star appearances are due to playing for the China Rockets.

[Nuggets4]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Francis is a wreck. Bringing him in to play with Anthony is a big mistake. I hope that Denver turns this deal down really quickly.

Here's what Denver needs to do: trade Anthony for Chris Paul.

[Casper Bronco]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Francis is a wreck. Bringing him in to play with Anthony is a big mistake. I hope that Denver turns this deal down really quickly.

Here's what Denver needs to do: trade Anthony for Chris Paul.

What a joke!!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Dont like that idea? I didnt think you would!

I'm not saying that Anthony is a bad player, or that he doesnt have a future. What I am saying is that Paul is going to be one of the top couple of players in the NBA. He's also going to be a dominant PG, which is much harder to find than a SF of Anthony's calibur. Denver has the horses to stay put, move Anthony, and become the best transition offense in the NBA. Martin accels in the fast break, Miller can move to the 2 and act as a Joe Johnson type, Camby is mobile and can pull the opposing C out, the Nugs have several players that can give them meaningful minutes at the 3.

It's a radical idea, no doubt, but one that I think would move denver from also-ran status to a contender this season, and keep them in contention until Paul retires.

[Clockwork Orange]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Dont like that idea? I didnt think you would!

I'm not saying that Anthony is a bad player, or that he doesnt have a future. What I am saying is that Paul is going to be one of the top couple of players in the NBA. He's also going to be a dominant PG, which is much harder to find than a SF of Anthony's calibur. Denver has the horses to stay put, move Anthony, and become the best transition offense in the NBA. Martin accels in the fast break, Miller can move to the 2 and act as a Joe Johnson type, Camby is mobile and can pull the opposing C out, the Nugs have several players that can give them meaningful minutes at the 3.

It's a radical idea, no doubt, but one that I think would move denver from also-ran status to a contender this season, and keep them in contention until Paul retires.

The last thing the Nuggets need is another point guard. Sorry, I love Chris Paul and I thank my lucky stars every day that Utah passed on him to take Deron Williams, but he's not what the Nuggets need. They need a 2 guard who can stretch defenses by consistantly knocking down outside shots.

Andre Miller can't play the 2 and he definitely can't play the role of Joe Johnson. The reason for that being that Andre can't shoot outside of about 15 feet. For Christ's sake, he shoots a set shot, he doesn't even have a jumper. He's good at getting to the basket and drawing contact, but asking him to be a shooter would be a miserable failure. Kenyon can run the break when he's not sitting on the bench nursing his latest injury.

Carmelo is the reason why the Nuggets still have their heads above water this season. He is the present & future of this team. He's not being traded, period.

As for Steve Francis, I don't doubt that Kiki's trying to get him. How he'll fit in is anyone's guess, but history suggests that he'll be selfish, moody and an overall a-hole.