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phisig150 · 01-23-2006, 07:44 PM

Sunday was a huge disapointment for me, especially after all the #### talking I was doing all week. But all and all it was good season. Jake played his best year yet, looked more Snake than mistake. We almost had two 1,000 yard rushers, something that hasn't happened in 20 ought years. Smith was his reliable stud self. The oline was brillant like always. Lelie still needs to take that next step but he was at least productive. We have the best linebacking corp in football and they played like it all year, espcially my boy Al Wilson. Champ altough good last season finally played like the hall of famer we traded for. Lynch like every year chipped his leadership and rough and timble play. And we have one emerging star corner in Williams and good nickle in Foxworth, after Sunday I think it's painfully obvious after Sunday he's no #2.And our special teams were much improved. With a good draft (Bing to eventually replace Lynch, Hagan to take over for smith down the line, and maybe that cat from Penn State if trade up and move in early second round, the aqnnual Shanahan rb steal I have no doubt that will back in the AFC title game next year. We do need a playmaker to get us over the hump. Owens anyone?

Elway 4 Life · 01-23-2006, 07:45 PM

I agree I think we are a few pieces away from whippin everyone else's ass!

Hercules Rockefeller · 01-23-2006, 07:50 PM

Yep, OL could lose 2 key pieces and require a position change in a 3rd, need help at safety, some playmakers on offense, said 1,000 yd back looked slow as the season wore on, and the DL still needs a pass-rusher.

Rascal · 01-23-2006, 07:51 PM

Herc, I'm curious as to what you think we should do if you were in Shanny's shoes.

Bronco Billy · 01-23-2006, 07:53 PM

THe Broncos had a good season. I can't believe the number of omaners who are so quick to say the Broncos suck because they lost the AFC Championship game. Thank you for starting out this tread in the correct tone. There are a number of things to remember when this season started.

1) We weren't supposed to win our division.
2) We won our first playoff game since Elway.
3) Plummer cut down his mistakes.
4) People laughed at us picking up the Browns D-line and we finished #2 in rushing D.
5) We made it past the wild card round.

If someone told me at the beginning of the season that the Broncos would lose the AFC Championship game, I would have told them that we would have a pretty good season. Last, remember what happened the year after the Broncos lost their only other home playoff game. I've got high hopes for next season.

Hercules Rockefeller · 01-23-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

Herc, I'm curious as to what you think we should do if you were in Shanny's shoes.

I think there are quite a few more holes on this team than most would like to admit, but finding a legit playmaker on either side of the ball is all I want (without giving up both 1sts). That probably means it comes from free agency then. Champ is the only playmaker on this team, and he's not thrown at enough. 1 playmaker (a rush end or a home run threat on offense) would make this team so much more dynamic.

and I'd also want to get Ashley more involved. Yesterday showed he can make plays if given the chance, but except for a couple games at the end, he's only used in deep patterns.

RMT · 01-23-2006, 07:59 PM

We need a stud pass rusher and a playmaker on offense, regardless of position.

spdirty · 01-23-2006, 08:00 PM

Great thread. Made me feel better. thanks.

Rascal · 01-23-2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

I think there are quite a few more holes on this team than most would like to admit, but finding a legit playmaker on either side of the ball is all I want (without giving up both 1sts). That probably means it comes from free agency then. Champ is the only playmaker on this team, and he's not thrown at enough. 1 playmaker (a rush end or a home run threat on offense) would make this team so much more dynamic.

and I'd also want to get Ashley more involved. Yesterday showed he can make plays if given the chance, but except for a couple games at the end, he's only used in deep patterns.

I'm curious as to what holes you think we have.

On defense...ball hawk safety, SLB (DJ is not a SLB), and 2 pass rushers

Offense...RT (Foster is average), RB (Anderson is not it), RG (Carlisle outperformed my expectations but still the weakest link), and another WR.

Hercules Rockefeller · 01-23-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

I'm curious as to what holes you think we have.

On defense...ball hawk safety, SLB (DJ is not a SLB), and 2 pass rushers

Offense...RT (Foster is average), RB (Anderson is not it), RG (Carlisle outperformed my expectations but still the weakest link), and another WR.

Those are quite a few holes you're pointing out. 3 are serious holes on defense, but I don't agree with DJ being a hole. On offense, there's a chance at 3 holes on the OL with Nalen and Lepsis leaving, Hamilton being an unknown on the pro level at C, and Hamilton's vacated position, a RB, and a WR whether it's the #2 or #3.

phisig150 · 01-23-2006, 08:10 PM

I think we're all in agreement that we need a playmaker on the Dline. In my opinion we're set at D tackle. I don't think Pryce is going to restructure his deal yet again. Early on he seemed to be applying preasure just not racking up the sacks but it seemed to me he faded a little as the season wore on. The brownco line wasn't the complete disaster everyone was predicting but that's not to say ot doesn't need a little revamping. I like that d end from Penn State and I think he slips into the early second round. What do the draft gurus think?

phisig150 · 01-23-2006, 08:16 PM

Also I would like to see Plummer have a go to Playmaker he's never really had in his carrer. No diss on Smith I love him. When you need a first throw to Smith but when you need a a game breaking play who do you turn to. As much as I presently hate Owens I think Shanahan could reign him in. Let him use us to rehab his image for a year or two and we'll ride him to the Superbowl. Also does the back situation worry any of you guys too. Anderson is getting up there and Bell is a nice change of pace back but I don't really see him as our primary rb for the future. Just a gut feeling. But maybe someone sees something in him I don't.

epicSocialism4tw · 01-23-2006, 08:21 PM

OL - IMO, Denver needs an infusion of talent on the line. OG (Carslile) and RT would be ideal, but a couple of those guys could be gone this season anyhow, so we might be forced to add first day picks at C and LT.

RB - RICKY WILLIAMS!!! Is there a better option out there for a third rounder? Williams is a stud and should be better next season than any draftable RB. He's still relatively young and would fit in with the team's character. Ricky would immediately upgrade the screen pass game, the running game, and the pass blocking. He's a top back. Go get 'em.

WR - I think that Lelie showed pretty well in the playoffs. He's still not the mid range threat that I'd like him to be, but I see a place for him in the future here. I really dont see anyone worth drafting at WR in the first round of this draft, but there will be some solid FA's on the market. It's time to start preparing for Rod's exit, and the need is there now.

DE - A top-notch pass rusher who can play the run is a must. The only way to get one of these guys is to draft him. #22 should be used on a DE.

ShutDownPoster · 01-23-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by phisig150

Also I would like to see Plummer have a go to Playmaker he's never really had in his carrer. No diss on Smith I love him. When you need a first throw to Smith but when you need a a game breaking play who do you turn to. As much as I presently hate Owens I think Shanahan could reign him in. Let him use us to rehab his image for a year or two and we'll ride him to the Superbowl. Also does the back situation worry any of you guys too. Anderson is getting up there and Bell is a nice change of pace back but I don't really see him as our primary rb for the future. Just a gut feeling. But maybe someone sees something in him I don't.

Well, remember what Plummer did with David Boston that one year..??

phisig150 · 01-23-2006, 08:37 PM

He hardly stacks up to the likes of a reciever of Owen's caliber.I want to see the snake with a top 8 or so receiver

ludo21 · 01-23-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ShutDownPoster

Well, remember what Plummer did with David Boston that one year..??

sure do, here in AZ that was fun to watch, i like Boston, too bad hes a roid freak

OrangeShadow · 01-23-2006, 08:45 PM

we need a freaking pass rush without blitzing four guys

ZONA · 01-23-2006, 09:03 PM

Dude - I love Hagen man. He is NFL material already. There is no guessing game with this guy. He's solid. He doesn't have all those goddy combine numbers to send him high in the first round but he could be sitting there late 1st or early 2nd. I'd take him with our late pick and a DE with our first pick. I think moving Rod Smith to 3rd receiver is way to go. Keeps him on the team and I hope he becomes a coach for us later on. Move Lelie to 1st option and Hagen would be a great 2nd option.

I have no idea why some of you blind people think Lelie is not ready for the #1 option. He catches any ball thrown to him, regardless of how well the pass was thrown. Go to him more and he will produce more. That simple. What does this kid have to do to prove he's ready for that chance? Sheez. Besides, Smith is Jakes security blanket. Lelie will not get the chance he needs if Plummer is looking at Smith every time, like he does now. Smith is just not fast enough now days to provide enough threat - LB's can cover him now. He's clutch and that's why I like him as 3rd option.

Imagine this if you will. Who knows, maybe in a year or two.

Lelie, Hagen, Duke and Smith as a clutch 4th option. I likes.

epicSocialism4tw · 01-23-2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ZONA

Dude - I love Hagen man. He is NFL material already. There is no guessing game with this guy. He's solid. He doesn't have all those goddy combine numbers to send him high in the first round but he could be sitting there late 1st or early 2nd. I'd take him with our late pick and a DE with our first pick. I think moving Rod Smith to 3rd receiver is way to go. Keeps him on the team and I hope he becomes a coach for us later on. Move Lelie to 1st option and Hagen would be a great 2nd option.

I have no idea why some of you blind people think Lelie is not ready for the #1 option. He catches any ball thrown to him, regardless of how well the pass was thrown. Go to him more and he will produce more. That simple. What does this kid have to do to prove he's ready for that chance? Sheez.

He has to prove that he doesnt drop the pass every other time it comes to him.

freshie8 · 01-23-2006, 09:07 PM

we will be fine, we just werent as good as the steelers this year.

hell they did what we do to people to us. next year we will be back in the hunt

ludo21 · 01-23-2006, 09:11 PM

i cant wait till the TE Miller from ASU comes out next year. He is a stud, and an elit TE in the future as far as i can tell.

Hagan wouldbe nice, but not the answer we are looking for

SteveTensi13 · 01-23-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Elway 4 Life

I agree I think we are a few pieces away from whippin everyone else's ass!

Jesus H. Christ, I think I've heard this mantra for the last 6 years.

TheChamp24 · 01-24-2006, 01:02 AM

I think we need to add a pass rushing DE, a ball hawk safety, rework our OL because it can not pass protect worth a damn, add a good WR, and look at getting a franchise RB.
The defensive players are easy to see, we need to be able to rush the passer with 4 guys.
The WR, due to Smith getting up there in age and nobody on our roster right now I am set with to replace him.
OL, because Nalen is gone, Lepsis maybe gone too. We need to tweak it anyway IMO, I want to have faith that the OL will block well in drop backs and not fear a sack or a hurried throw resulting in an INT.
The Franchise RB because Mike is old and showed obvious signs of slowing down at the end and Tatum Bell is not a starting RB in the NFL. Ron Dayne is not one too. We get a franchise RB we can rely on to carry the ball 20-25 times every game and get 100+ yards a game, we'll be set.

01-23-2006, 09:03 PM	#18
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,370 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Dude - I love Hagen man. He is NFL material already. There is no guessing game with this guy. He's solid. He doesn't have all those goddy combine numbers to send him high in the first round but he could be sitting there late 1st or early 2nd. I'd take him with our late pick and a DE with our first pick. I think moving Rod Smith to 3rd receiver is way to go. Keeps him on the team and I hope he becomes a coach for us later on. Move Lelie to 1st option and Hagen would be a great 2nd option. I have no idea why some of you blind people think Lelie is not ready for the #1 option. He catches any ball thrown to him, regardless of how well the pass was thrown. Go to him more and he will produce more. That simple. What does this kid have to do to prove he's ready for that chance? Sheez. Besides, Smith is Jakes security blanket. Lelie will not get the chance he needs if Plummer is looking at Smith every time, like he does now. Smith is just not fast enough now days to provide enough threat - LB's can cover him now. He's clutch and that's why I like him as 3rd option. Imagine this if you will. Who knows, maybe in a year or two. Lelie, Hagen, Duke and Smith as a clutch 4th option. I likes. Last edited by ZONA; 01-23-2006 at 09:07 PM..

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01-23-2006, 07:44 PM	#1
phisig150 Atwater Hit Squad Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: northridge, ca Posts: 594	Calm Down. Take a deep breath. We're heading in the right direction Sunday was a huge disapointment for me, especially after all the #### talking I was doing all week. But all and all it was good season. Jake played his best year yet, looked more Snake than mistake. We almost had two 1,000 yard rushers, something that hasn't happened in 20 ought years. Smith was his reliable stud self. The oline was brillant like always. Lelie still needs to take that next step but he was at least productive. We have the best linebacking corp in football and they played like it all year, espcially my boy Al Wilson. Champ altough good last season finally played like the hall of famer we traded for. Lynch like every year chipped his leadership and rough and timble play. And we have one emerging star corner in Williams and good nickle in Foxworth, after Sunday I think it's painfully obvious after Sunday he's no #2.And our special teams were much improved. With a good draft (Bing to eventually replace Lynch, Hagan to take over for smith down the line, and maybe that cat from Penn State if trade up and move in early second round, the aqnnual Shanahan rb steal I have no doubt that will back in the AFC title game next year. We do need a playmaker to get us over the hump. Owens anyone? Last edited by phisig150; 01-23-2006 at 07:52 PM..

01-23-2006, 07:45 PM	#2
Elway 4 Life Pass rushers apply here! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,806 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I agree I think we are a few pieces away from whippin everyone else's ass!

01-23-2006, 07:50 PM	#3
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Yep, OL could lose 2 key pieces and require a position change in a 3rd, need help at safety, some playmakers on offense, said 1,000 yd back looked slow as the season wore on, and the DL still needs a pass-rusher.

01-23-2006, 07:51 PM	#4
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Herc, I'm curious as to what you think we should do if you were in Shanny's shoes.

01-23-2006, 07:53 PM	#5
Bronco Billy Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,322	THe Broncos had a good season. I can't believe the number of omaners who are so quick to say the Broncos suck because they lost the AFC Championship game. Thank you for starting out this tread in the correct tone. There are a number of things to remember when this season started. 1) We weren't supposed to win our division. 2) We won our first playoff game since Elway. 3) Plummer cut down his mistakes. 4) People laughed at us picking up the Browns D-line and we finished #2 in rushing D. 5) We made it past the wild card round. If someone told me at the beginning of the season that the Broncos would lose the AFC Championship game, I would have told them that we would have a pretty good season. Last, remember what happened the year after the Broncos lost their only other home playoff game. I've got high hopes for next season.

01-23-2006, 07:59 PM	#7
RMT Rocky Mountain Thunder Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: United States Posts: 3,211	We need a stud pass rusher and a playmaker on offense, regardless of position.

01-23-2006, 08:00 PM	#8
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,901 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	Great thread. Made me feel better. thanks.

01-23-2006, 08:10 PM	#11
phisig150 Atwater Hit Squad Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: northridge, ca Posts: 594	I think we're all in agreement that we need a playmaker on the Dline. In my opinion we're set at D tackle. I don't think Pryce is going to restructure his deal yet again. Early on he seemed to be applying preasure just not racking up the sacks but it seemed to me he faded a little as the season wore on. The brownco line wasn't the complete disaster everyone was predicting but that's not to say ot doesn't need a little revamping. I like that d end from Penn State and I think he slips into the early second round. What do the draft gurus think?

01-23-2006, 08:16 PM	#12
phisig150 Atwater Hit Squad Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: northridge, ca Posts: 594	Also I would like to see Plummer have a go to Playmaker he's never really had in his carrer. No diss on Smith I love him. When you need a first throw to Smith but when you need a a game breaking play who do you turn to. As much as I presently hate Owens I think Shanahan could reign him in. Let him use us to rehab his image for a year or two and we'll ride him to the Superbowl. Also does the back situation worry any of you guys too. Anderson is getting up there and Bell is a nice change of pace back but I don't really see him as our primary rb for the future. Just a gut feeling. But maybe someone sees something in him I don't.

01-23-2006, 08:21 PM	#13
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	OL - IMO, Denver needs an infusion of talent on the line. OG (Carslile) and RT would be ideal, but a couple of those guys could be gone this season anyhow, so we might be forced to add first day picks at C and LT. RB - RICKY WILLIAMS!!! Is there a better option out there for a third rounder? Williams is a stud and should be better next season than any draftable RB. He's still relatively young and would fit in with the team's character. Ricky would immediately upgrade the screen pass game, the running game, and the pass blocking. He's a top back. Go get 'em. WR - I think that Lelie showed pretty well in the playoffs. He's still not the mid range threat that I'd like him to be, but I see a place for him in the future here. I really dont see anyone worth drafting at WR in the first round of this draft, but there will be some solid FA's on the market. It's time to start preparing for Rod's exit, and the need is there now. DE - A top-notch pass rusher who can play the run is a must. The only way to get one of these guys is to draft him. #22 should be used on a DE.

01-23-2006, 08:37 PM	#15
phisig150 Atwater Hit Squad Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: northridge, ca Posts: 594	He hardly stacks up to the likes of a reciever of Owen's caliber.I want to see the snake with a top 8 or so receiver

01-23-2006, 08:45 PM	#17
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	we need a freaking pass rush without blitzing four guys

01-23-2006, 09:07 PM	#20
freshie8 Just Drafted Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Arvada,CO Posts: 49	we will be fine, we just werent as good as the steelers this year. hell they did what we do to people to us. next year we will be back in the hunt

01-23-2006, 09:11 PM	#21
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,902 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	i cant wait till the TE Miller from ASU comes out next year. He is a stud, and an elit TE in the future as far as i can tell. Hagan wouldbe nice, but not the answer we are looking for

01-24-2006, 01:02 AM	#23
TheChamp24 DERP DERP DERP The Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Broncos Country Posts: 4,874	I think we need to add a pass rushing DE, a ball hawk safety, rework our OL because it can not pass protect worth a damn, add a good WR, and look at getting a franchise RB. The defensive players are easy to see, we need to be able to rush the passer with 4 guys. The WR, due to Smith getting up there in age and nobody on our roster right now I am set with to replace him. OL, because Nalen is gone, Lepsis maybe gone too. We need to tweak it anyway IMO, I want to have faith that the OL will block well in drop backs and not fear a sack or a hurried throw resulting in an INT. The Franchise RB because Mike is old and showed obvious signs of slowing down at the end and Tatum Bell is not a starting RB in the NFL. Ron Dayne is not one too. We get a franchise RB we can rely on to carry the ball 20-25 times every game and get 100+ yards a game, we'll be set.