Pass Interference should be reviewable...

[Taco John]

I think that the answer to the PI problems that arise every season is to allow coaches to challenge the call if the have the challenge available. These guys are moving fast, and sometimes it's just difficult to get the call right, no matter how good the official is. Let the technology and the system work in the leagues favor by allowing it to be challenged. That would take the pressure off of the officials after the game is done too, because 99% of the time, the right call is going to be made.

Plus, they need to add more cameras, and rely less on network coverage... Or make deals with the network to add more cameras, for instance, endzone cameras on both sides of the field right at the plane.

[yavoon]

definitely an idea, are any penalties reviewable? not sure the refs would be excited about having to review penalties but it could still be nice.

is there anyway to make reviews happen quicker tho? I really dont like how long they take.

[-Slap-]

You know, I couldn't agree less. I think the usage of instant replay is one reason refereeing has deteriorated so badly in recent years. None of these guys even worry about making the correct call on the field anymore because they know they have replay behind them.

When I was an umpire, we were trained to be confident and emphatic. I don't see much confidence from today's NFL refs, instead I see conferences. I see guys who are used to being second guessed so much that they've embraced the idea completely.

I like the idea of expanding the scope of replay as much as I like the idea of expanding the size of the League.

[RhymesayersDU]

If I could change one thing about the replay system, it would be the situations where if they call it one way it's reviewable, but if they call it another way it's not reviewable. The most common scenario is catch/fumble vs. incomplete pass.

If they call it an in-com-plete pass, the play isn't reviewable. If they call a catch/fumble, it is. If they err on the side of caution and call it a catch/fumble, they are basically forcing a coach to use his review. If they call it an in-com-plete pass, it's not reviewable.

I'm not too fond of that, although I don't have a good resolution for the problem. As for TJ's Pass Interference suggestion, I'd extend that to all penalties. I don't think it's feasible, but what comes to mind is the game vs. the Giants where they called that phantom block in the back on Putzier. It was called because the ref was out of position, and Jeb literally didn't lay a finger on the guy. I understand these guys are human and it's judgement calls, but for them to make phantom calls where guys don't even touch other guys, it's ****ty sometimes.

[BigPlayShay]

I agree, so should "helmet to helmet" hits.

[watermock]

won't happen, don't waste cyber ink.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

You know, I couldn't agree less. I think the usage of instant replay is one reason refereeing has deteriorated so badly in recent years. None of these guys even worry about making the correct call on the field anymore because they know they have replay behind them.

When I was an umpire, we were trained to be confident and emphatic. I don't see much confidence from today's NFL refs, instead I see conferences. I see guys who are used to being second guessed so much that they've embraced the idea completely.

I like the idea of expanding the scope of replay as much as I like the idea of expanding the size of the League.

I just don't agree with that. I think that thought is prevalent, but I just don't believe it. I have to believe that these officials are out there genuinely doing their best to make the right calls, but some of them have better focus/eyesight/recall than others.

I think the problem with officiating has less to do with replay and more to do with the fact that these guys are not full time refs. I'm just not convinced that part time refs can be properly equipped across the board to perform at a high level, especially during the pressure cooker playoffs.

Secondly, I'm disappointed in the fact that these aren't all star crews on the field. I'm sure you've probably heard by now that instead of allotting points to individuals, they gave those points to the "team" of officials and graduated the officiating "team" to the playoffs. I think that's ridiculous, and an unfortunate shame. I hope they correct their error and get the all stars back in there. The best individuals should be on the field when it comes to officiating.

I'm a big fan of instant replay. I appreciate the argument that it disrupts the flow of the game, and the fact that the traditionalists are willing to accept the margin of error that comes with having human refs give the last say in the matter based on their call... But I jut believe that the benefits outweigh the negatives when it comes for review, and like the idea that teams aren't going to miss the playoffs due to Phil Luckett missing the "tails" call, or calling Vinnie Testaverde's helmet crossing the one yard line a touchdown. These games are multimillion dollar games, and the league owes it to the stakeholders in this game, from the coaches, to the players, to the fans, to get it right.

[watermock]

I honestly don't know what to think anymore. The INT overturn was so bizzare it defied any rationality. The NFL says it was a "Judgement call?"

WTF is that? Grow some balls you pussies. Complete the catch! The catch was established. If he is tapped on the helmet he's down. He fumbled and risked losing the ball. He covered. End of story. If the ref even make some rediculous ruling he trapped the ball it would make more sense. Bad call, but not total idiocy. All the gnerous "down by contact" calls now and he didn't control the ball by getting up? Once you have control, you have control. The dtupid ref even said he had made the catch. This "he still had a knee on the field" bull isn't anywhere in the rule book...Woodie looked....it doesn't exist! And ESPN thinks they are going to fine Porter after admiting the ref screwed up? Give me a break!

Wanting to have Pitt win the game has nothing to do with this.

I did notice it was Tripplet's crew but he didn't make the call I think.

Who went under the hood?

[Archie]

Originally Posted by Taco John

I think the problem with officiating has less to do with replay and more to do with the fact that these guys are not full time refs.

Totallydisagree with that one... These guys are all in life jobs that require them to make hard tough decisions on the spot - all the time. Full time refs would be a bunch of weasels that make tough calls once or twice a week max... Umpires in baseball are full time and it makes sense because they are making those calls live every day. Full tme refs is a bad bad idea....

Originally Posted by Taco John

Secondly, I'm disappointed in the fact that these aren't all star crews on the field. I'm sure you've probably heard by now that instead of allotting points to individuals, they gave those points to the "team" of officials and graduated the officiating "team" to the playoffs. I think that's ridiculous, and an unfortunate shame. I hope they correct their error and get the all stars back in there. The best individuals should be on the field when it comes to officiating.

Wrong again... When - ever - has an all-star team performed better in a single game then a "team" all-star. I agree every team will have it's weak points but almost always a well oiled team will ourperform an all-star team. You grade refs out of the role but if you graded out every position and created "all star" teams for the playoffs I think you would end up with a LOT more ugliness then you do now

Originally Posted by Taco John

I'm a big fan of instant replay. I appreciate the argument that it disrupts the flow of the game, and the fact that the traditionalists are willing to accept the margin of error that comes with having human refs give the last say in the matter based on their call... But I jut believe that the benefits outweigh the negatives when it comes for review, and like the idea that teams aren't going to miss the playoffs due to Phil Luckett missing the "tails" call, or calling Vinnie Testaverde's helmet crossing the one yard line a touchdown. These games are multimillion dollar games, and the league owes it to the stakeholders in this game, from the coaches, to the players, to the fans, to get it right.

This reminds me (permit me this mild tangent) of an awful intersection where I thought there was no way for a positive solution. Then one day the city engineers re-painted the streets with different lanes, turn lanes etc.. and it worked beautifully. It went from a known awful mess to "driving bliss".

I feel the same way about replay. I hated replay. I thought it destroyed the fact that this was a game played by imperfect mortals. If you were going to have replay (as it originally existed) you might as well say well Brady would normally have not thrown that INT so lets cancel that out too. But, then they came up with the 2 reviews a game approach. I love it. It's like repainting the street. Suddenly it just works. Now - a coach has to really think about what they want to do and where they want to spend that precious resource. It generally ensures that in those really awful scenarios the right call is made. It works now.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Chrisar

Totallydisagree with that one... These guys are all in life jobs that require them to make hard tough decisions on the spot - all the time. Full time refs would be a bunch of weasels that make tough calls once or twice a week max... Umpires in baseball are full time and it makes sense because they are making those calls live every day. Full tme refs is a bad bad idea....

I don't understand your point. What does making a tough decision as a lawyer have anything to do with making the right call as a referee? I don't see how that point translates into such a strong opinion.

Wrong again... When - ever - has an all-star team performed better in a single game then a "team" all-star. I agree every team will have it's weak points but almost always a well oiled team will ourperform an all-star team. You grade refs out of the role but if you graded out every position and created "all star" teams for the playoffs I think you would end up with a LOT more ugliness then you do now

I think history proves you wrong. This is the first year, as I understand it, that the are using the system in which teams of officials are promoted. In the past, it has been all star crews. Already in the second weekend, we're having problems across the board in just about every game played that you just didn't see in years passed. I would say that history shows that All Star teams work, and this experiment to advance officiating teams over officiating all stars has been a tremendous failure so far.

[REB]

I agree with TJ on this. I think the fact of the matter is that the review system isn't going away and since that's the case, coaches should be able to challenge a blatantly bad PI call. It could very well change the outcome of a very close game. Let's just hope the ref's this weekend don't decide this game.

1-2-3 !!!!!!!

[OrangeShadow]

I think a goaline camera would be very useful

[40yrpatsfan]

I think college has a better system now than the NFL. They have a senior guy upstairs for starters, who appears to have equal power as the on-field ref. The upstairs crew has the power to stop things, it's not up to the coaches.

If the guys upstairs see something, they should have the power to just call the ref and tell him what to do. It would make the whole process go a lot faster.

[Atlas]

What if the replay shows there wasn't pass interference at the end but in the middle of the play? What if replay showed interference on both players. What if replay showed offensive interference instead of defensive.

I don't like it. I believe pass interference should be a 15 yard penalty no matter where it is committed.

[Garcia Bronco]

Yeah....I say get rid of replay all together.

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by OrangeShadow

I think a goaline camera would be very useful

Last night on NFL Network Adam Schefter said that Belichick has been pushing for just such a goal-line cam in the Competition Committee.

Even had it been a touchback, though ... we would have won. The momentum die was already cast with Champ's INT.

[Archie]

Originally Posted by Taco John

I don't understand your point. What does making a tough decision as a lawyer have anything to do with making the right call as a referee? I don't see how that point translates into such a strong opinion.






I think history proves you wrong. This is the first year, as I understand it, that the are using the system in which teams of officials are promoted. In the past, it has been all star crews. Already in the second weekend, we're having problems across the board in just about every game played that you just didn't see in years passed. I would say that history shows that All Star teams work, and this experiment to advance officiating teams over officiating all stars has been a tremendous failure so far.

Ok - so my "Totally" was a lot bigger then expected. I should have changed that. But - I stand by the opinion. People who are looking at facts and making tough calls all the time will perform better at making a tough call then someone who is doing it 20 times a year.

On the second point I'm willing to be proven wrong. I thought that they had always done a "team" approach, grading out the crews each week and promoting the top crew.

This is what I get for writing a post after a night of bowling and coors light...

[BritBronco Maniac]

I don't agree with making PI reviewable. It's just too judgmental. Most of the time the result will be 'no irrefutable evidence'

However there are still some problems with it. I can't remember the play, but there was one play where Cowher was furious at the refs and had the red flag out but couldn't challenge it.

I also agree, that before replay I don't remember there being anywhere near as many calls that should have gone the other way

[WolfpackGuy]

The games are already long enough. I'm sure the networks would like it so they can show more commercials. Besides, the refs would screw up the review anyway and say there was an "inadvertent whistle" or "down by contact."

[Jetmeck]

Bottom line is getting it right, so yes review PI penalties.
That said look at what that idiot ref did to PIT on the intereception review ? That ref should be "PENALIZED" for stupidity.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by Taco John

I think that the answer to the PI problems that arise every season is to allow coaches to challenge the call if the have the challenge available. These guys are moving fast, and sometimes it's just difficult to get the call right, no matter how good the official is. Let the technology and the system work in the leagues favor by allowing it to be challenged. That would take the pressure off of the officials after the game is done too, because 99% of the time, the right call is going to be made.

Plus, they need to add more cameras, and rely less on network coverage... Or make deals with the network to add more cameras, for instance, endzone cameras on both sides of the field right at the plane.

I think it would be a better idea to have Mike Pereira available on speed dial during big games. You may say it will take forever to review but then my response is, "did you notice how incredibly long that controversial call took in the Indy-Pitt game and what impact it possibly could have been (ie Indy winning)."

[terry251973]

I have an idea.Instead of reviewing the PI against the pats to help them out just take away the 7 pts we got because of it and move on and the final score is 20-13 denver wins.Pretty sad you give up the ball 5 times and still expect to win on a PI call.Rediculous cry babying.That goes for the tuck rule too take it back and the dynasty doesnt even get started.

[texpat]

Originally Posted by terry251973

I have an idea.Instead of reviewing the PI against the pats to help them out just take away the 7 pts we got because of it and move on and the final score is 20-13 denver wins.Pretty sad you give up the ball 5 times and still expect to win on a PI call.Rediculous cry babying.That goes for the tuck rule too take it back and the dynasty doesnt even get started.

Terry, you are an idiot.

Taco John, who has some 20,000+ posts is obviously not a Pat fan trying to justify the loss, but is a longtime Bronco fan looking to improve the game. It seems you have self esteem problems if you think every comment is an attack on the Bronc's.

[bronco militia]

Originally Posted by Taco John

I think that the answer to the PI problems that arise every season is to allow coaches to challenge the call if the have the challenge available. These guys are moving fast, and sometimes it's just difficult to get the call right, no matter how good the official is. Let the technology and the system work in the leagues favor by allowing it to be challenged. That would take the pressure off of the officials after the game is done too, because 99% of the time, the right call is going to be made.

Plus, they need to add more cameras, and rely less on network coverage... Or make deals with the network to add more cameras, for instance, endzone cameras on both sides of the field right at the plane.

ugh what a terrible idea...just **** can replay, period.

[terry251973]

Originally Posted by texpat

Terry, you are an idiot.

Taco John, who has some 20,000+ posts is obviously not a Pat fan trying to justify the loss, but is a longtime Bronco fan looking to improve the game. It seems you have self esteem problems if you think every comment is an attack on the Bronc's.

I know taco john is a bronco fan but this crap about the samuels PI call is rediculous.How many teams this year actually lost a game because of a PI ruling?It sure wasnt the reason the pats lost this game.