Trade possibilities?

[Obushma]

I'm no expert when it comes to trade value, but I had a thought about some possibilites that may end up a value for us and the teams we decided to trade with.

If we were to trade our two first round picks and next years first, I wonder if the value could land us in the top three? If not, maybe throw in a third this year and next. Anyways, if we could get N.O. to trade us their second pick in the draft (they have many positions they need to fill), could we turn around and ask Detroit, Arizona, or St. Louis for their 9th, 10th or 11th pick this year and their first next year with that N.O. pick?

If Detriot or Arizona had a chance to grab Leinart or Young I would think they'd be willing to give up their 9th/10th spot, a 2007 first, and possibly even more.

Just wanted to know if this trade is plausible, I guess it would come down to what we would have to give for a top three pick.

[27atwater]

3 #1s would indeed land us inside the top 3. our 2 pix alone would get us @ 8 or so.

[27atwater]

http://www.thewarpath.net/2005nfldraftvaluechart.htm

[Obushma]

What would the value be on our 2007 first with a Super Bowl win?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by ThyNatural

If we were to trade our two first round picks and next years first, I wonder if the value could land us in the top three? If not, maybe throw in a third this year and next. Anyways, if we could get N.O. to trade us their second pick in the draft (they have many positions they need to fill), could we turn around and ask Detroit, Arizona, or St. Louis for their 9th, 10th or 11th pick this year and their first next year with that N.O. pick?

If Detriot or Arizona had a chance to grab Leinart or Young I would think they'd be willing to give up their 9th/10th spot, a 2007 first, and possibly even more.

Just wanted to know if this trade is plausible, I guess it would come down to what we would have to give for a top three pick.

So you want Denver to give up 3 1sts to move into the Top 3, and then turn around and hope that some other team makes an offer to the Broncos for the pick?

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

So you want Denver to give up 3 1sts to move into the Top 3, and then turn around and hope that some other team makes an offer to the Broncos for the pick?

Well, I would make sure the team (I.E. Cards, Lions) would want the third pick before making the trade. I just don't see a team like the Saints giving up the second pick in the dradt for the number 9 or 10 pick and a first round next year also.

If we gave the Saints our two this year and one next, that is one extra pick to fill up holes on their roster in a very talented draft.

If this trade was possible, we would have a top ten pick this year, and what seems to be a top twenty pick in 2007. I would give up our two picks this year for Haloti Ngata, Jimmy Williams, Mathias Kiwanuka, or Deangelo Williams. No doubt the 2007 pick would be a better pick then what we had.

I just don't see the Broncos having a chance at a top tier college player in the near future, maybe this could give us that chance without having to sacrifice our entire future.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by ThyNatural

Well, I would make sure the team (I.E. Cards, Lions) would want the third pick before making the trade. I just don't see a team like the Saints giving up the second pick in the dradt for the number 9 or 10 pick and a first round next year also.

So the Saints would be more willing to trade their pick for 2 picks in the 20's and the '07 pick will probably be low too, instead of taking a Top 10 this year and a Top 20 next year? No GM would do that. You say Denver would get an elite player they wouldn't have a shot at if they do this trade, why then would the Saints, who are terrible, pass on getting an elite player they desperately need?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

[QUOTE=ThyNatural] No doubt the 2007 pick would be a better pick then what we had.

QUOTE]

This is one of the falicies in your argument. With the rate the underclassmen are coming out, this years #30 pick is likely to be a better player than next years #10.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by Big Guy

This is one of the falicies in your argument. With the rate the underclassmen are coming out, this years #30 pick is likely to be a better player than next years #10.

Wouldn't go that far, but Denver will be getting guys at their spots this year that would not normally be picked that low in the 1st.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Wouldn't go that far, but Denver will be getting guys at their spots this year that would not normally be picked that low in the 1st.

I was thinking more like trading a 3rd next year for a 4th this year if they saw someone they really liked. I wouldn't monkey with the firsts.

[SoCalBronco]

I would be in favor of moving down from 1B, about 8-10 spots to around 38-40 if the other club would throw in their early third, maybe we can throw in our sixth if they balk at that. I see a great deal of strength from the start of Round 2 to the middle of Round 4 in this draft. I would love to really get an extra pick or two in this area outside of our expected compensatories. One player Id like to snag around the 3rd or so (where his early projection is) is Notre Dame TE Anthony Fasano. I think he is alot like Bubba Franks. He has great size and very reliable hands although he doesnt have that great stretch the field type speed. I think he would be a great possession TE. It would be a worthwhile investment even with the Putz and WD on the roster given that its only a 3rd and I think his talent level is well above that. There are several guys in that 2-mid 4 area that could really help us out. The flood of underclassmen are turning this draft into a gold mine. All the value is going to be from 2-mid 4.

[NFLBRONCO]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

I would be in favor of moving down from 1B, about 8-10 spots to around 38-40 if the other club would throw in their early third, maybe we can throw in our sixth if they balk at that. I see a great deal of strength from the start of Round 2 to the middle of Round 4 in this draft. I would love to really get an extra pick or two in this area outside of our expected compensatories. One player Id like to snag around the 3rd or so (where his early projection is) is Notre Dame TE Anthony Fasano. I think he is alot like Bubba Franks. He has great size and very reliable hands although he doesnt have that great stretch the field type speed. I think he would be a great possession TE. It would be a worthwhile investment even with the Putz and WD on the roster given that its only a 3rd and I think his talent level is well above that. There are several guys in that 2-mid 4 area that could really help us out. The flood of underclassmen are turning this draft into a gold mine. All the value is going to be from 2-mid 4.

We can do so many things this year be interesting to see what we come up with. Do you think us going 13-3 and having a very good year will effect how we draft? I was thinking with the depth in this draft would Denver really even consider trading up? I think we have alot of needs and trading down would help us bolster many areas.

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

So the Saints would be more willing to trade their pick for 2 picks in the 20's and the '07 pick will probably be low too, instead of taking a Top 10 this year and a Top 20 next year? No GM would do that. You say Denver would get an elite player they wouldn't have a shot at if they do this trade, why then would the Saints, who are terrible, pass on getting an elite player they desperately need?

I guess you didn't read the part where I said they would have an extra pick? Or where I said they have many holes to fill, hence, the reason they would take our two instead of one.

Anyways, I just don't see us having a chance like this in the near future, If we could move up and grab Kiwi or Ngata and gain some ground in next years draft I would be willing to give up our two picks.

I just wanted to know if this was a plausible, thats the reason I posted.

[27atwater]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

I would be in favor of moving down from 1B, about 8-10 spots to around 38-40 if the other club would throw in their early third, maybe we can throw in our sixth if they balk at that. I see a great deal of strength from the start of Round 2 to the middle of Round 4 in this draft. I would love to really get an extra pick or two in this area outside of our expected compensatories. One player Id like to snag around the 3rd or so (where his early projection is) is Notre Dame TE Anthony Fasano. I think he is alot like Bubba Franks. He has great size and very reliable hands although he doesnt have that great stretch the field type speed. I think he would be a great possession TE. It would be a worthwhile investment even with the Putz and WD on the roster given that its only a 3rd and I think his talent level is well above that. There are several guys in that 2-mid 4 area that could really help us out. The flood of underclassmen are turning this draft into a gold mine. All the value is going to be from 2-mid 4.

that's what I've been saying...for OUR needs, we can land just as good of a DE/WR/S at 40 than we could at 32. and the added pick can go towards line help.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

I would be in favor of moving down from 1B, about 8-10 spots to around 38-40 if the other club would throw in their early third, maybe we can throw in our sixth if they balk at that.

If you can get a team to do that I would do it in a heartbeat, but I think you are overvaluing our first and sixth.

[27atwater]

the chart says we can use our 31 and get a mid 2nd and 3rd. If we want an early 2nd, we would have to settle for an early 4th as the additional pick...at least that is what the math says.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Quit with the chart, teams don't use it

[27atwater]

i bet if ya analyzed draft day/pick trades over the past few years, more often than not the values would be pretty close to what the chart determines the values to be.

[SoCalBronco]

As Herc said, the value chart does not really come into play on draft day. Almost always, the team that is trading up pays a substantial premium over the equivalent chart value. I think the difference in value between our 1B and 6th on one hand and say the 40th pick and 74th pick is well within the types of premiums that other teams have paid to move up, in fact, in comparison to the trades in the first round in 2004 (Cleveland-Detroit, Dallas- Buffalo), the relative percentage premium that our possible trading partner at those spots would not be that high, so I dont think other teams are going to laugh that kind of offer off.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I just don't want to go through an offseason where every trade that's thrown out is met with, "Well the chart says that's too much/little."

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

SoCal and herc are right - I doubt Sundquist and Shanahan have ever even heard of "the chart". It is just someone's fantasy attempt at astatistical value. As someone said there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

[Clockwork Orange]

Originally Posted by Big Guy

SoCal and herc are right - I doubt Sundquist and Shanahan have ever even heard of "the chart". It is just someone's fantasy attempt at astatistical value. As someone said there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

Well, Dan Snyder certainly seems to believe in a draft value chart.

With the star power at the top and overall depth of this draft, I think anyone attempting to move up is going to have to pay a premium to do so.

[labronco]

i'd say trade one of our firsts for a high second and next year's first. that's the least Kubiak can do in houston. he owes us.

[labronco]

Man, broncos do some funky things on draft day no matter what picks they have. Who knows what players broncos really like? Just look at last year's class. I had no idea who the first three corners were, although i do pay attention to draftniks quite a bit. I am just glad they know what they are doing.

[phisig150]

How about TO? I think he's well worth the pick we would give up or can we sing him outright? Either way he's well worth it. I think Shanny if anyone can, could resurrect TO's career and make him into maybe a little cockier version of Sharpe.