Mario Williams(trade up or stay put) - The Orange Mane

OrangeShadow · 01-11-2006, 07:03 AM

id love to trade up to get him if it means giving up our 2 1sts for a high first. this guy is a absolute monster. but would you guys rather stay with 2 low 1sts or trade up to get him

meangene · 01-11-2006, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeShadow

id love to trade up to get him if it means giving up our 2 1sts for a high first. this guy is a absolute monster. but would you guys rather stay with 2 low 1sts or trade up to get him

TRADE UP! If we can get him for the two firsts. The draft is becoming so deep that we can fill other needs with later picks. There is a dropoff at DE after him. Some others I like but not with his combo of speed AND size.

27atwater · 01-11-2006, 07:19 AM

trade a #1 this year and a #1 next...plus later pix if necessary. I'd rather not use both this year on 1 guy.

OrangeShadow · 01-11-2006, 07:27 AM

i woudnt mind that either^ but if we could land that guy id be estatic!

meangene · 01-11-2006, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 27atwater

trade a 31 this year and a #1 next...plus later pix if necessary. I'd rather not use both this year on 1 guy.

I doubt that would get it done. I'm not sure both 1's this year would get us to the 5th or 6th pick necessary to get Williams. How about this?

1. Williams
2. M. Bush
3. Blackman / Stovall

Drek · 01-11-2006, 07:44 AM

I think we address WR and DL heavy in this draft. I don't think that means dumping two firsts on one guy though. I really like Mario Williams, but if his combine isn't impressive his draft stock will get a quick jolt of reality, since his collegiate on-field performance was very up and down. If he doesn't put up a good 40 and/or bench reps he could slide hard.

On that same thought path, the same could be said for all the DEs in this draft, including Kiwanuka. The 'skins will give us an early 20's pick, which is ideal slide position. I say sit back and wait to see what steal slides to us. Same with the 2nd 1st, sit back and see what exceptional talent falls because of "need" concerns. Guys always do, I'd prefer to be the team taking advantage of that.

I think Chad Jackson or Derek Hagan (I'd prefer the later) would both make excellent 1B picks. A lot of DLs would make a good 1A fit, though we need to see who's left come our pick. Too hard to predict that now before the pro days and combine.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 01-11-2006, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Drek

I think we address WR and DL heavy in this draft. I don't think that means dumping two firsts on one guy though. I really like Mario Williams, but if his combine isn't impressive his draft stock will get a quick jolt of reality, since his collegiate on-field performance was very up and down. If he doesn't put up a good 40 and/or bench reps he could slide hard.

On that same thought path, the same could be said for all the DEs in this draft, including Kiwanuka. The 'skins will give us an early 20's pick, which is ideal slide position. I say sit back and wait to see what steal slides to us. Same with the 2nd 1st, sit back and see what exceptional talent falls because of "need" concerns. Guys always do, I'd prefer to be the team taking advantage of that.

I think Chad Jackson or Derek Hagan (I'd prefer the later) would both make excellent 1B picks. A lot of DLs would make a good 1A fit, though we need to see who's left come our pick. Too hard to predict that now before the pro days and combine.

Pretty much agree Drek. Broncs get two DL, two players to upgrade the passing game, at least one good OL and a little depth at a few other positions and they have a good draft. Need to wait for the real evaluations to come in from the combine and the workouts before jumping off any cliff. The only certrain things in life are death taxes and bad predictions by web draft analysts.

meangene · 01-11-2006, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Drek

I think we address WR and DL heavy in this draft. I don't think that means dumping two firsts on one guy though. I really like Mario Williams, but if his combine isn't impressive his draft stock will get a quick jolt of reality, since his collegiate on-field performance was very up and down. If he doesn't put up a good 40 and/or bench reps he could slide hard.

On that same thought path, the same could be said for all the DEs in this draft, including Kiwanuka. The 'skins will give us an early 20's pick, which is ideal slide position. I say sit back and wait to see what steal slides to us. Same with the 2nd 1st, sit back and see what exceptional talent falls because of "need" concerns. Guys always do, I'd prefer to be the team taking advantage of that.

I think Chad Jackson or Derek Hagan (I'd prefer the later) would both make excellent 1B picks. A lot of DLs would make a good 1A fit, though we need to see who's left come our pick. Too hard to predict that now before the pro days and combine.

I agree that at least one of the top DE's could slide to us at 1a (i.e. Hali, Kiwi) and I think we could get a good receiver at 1b. I'm just not sold on any of the late first round receivers as being much better than some of the later round guys. And, Williams brings size at DE that the others don't. He is another Julius Peppers IMO. I think his stock will go up at the combine. We're on the same page as far as draft needs (WR, DL).

27atwater · 01-11-2006, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by meangene

I doubt that would get it done. I'm not sure both 1's this year would get us to the 5th or 6th pick necessary to get Williams. How about this?

1. Williams
2. M. Bush
3. Blackman / Stovall

i didn't mean 31...i must have missed the "#" sign...i was speaking of the skins pick.

27atwater · 01-11-2006, 07:55 AM

I still want Santonio Holmes somehow, regardless of whatever else we do early...and 1 or both of the Minnesota linemen in the 2nd and/or 3rd.

meangene · 01-11-2006, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 27atwater

I still want Santonio Holmes somehow, regardless of whatever else we do early...and 1 or both of the Minnesota linemen in the 2nd and/or 3rd.

I like Santonio Holmes too. Don't think he lasts until our 1a though. But, with all the underclassmen who knows?

Rascal · 01-11-2006, 08:18 AM

According to my scenario Mario will probably be picked by either San Fran, Oakland, or the Packers. Recent report have the packers entralled with with Lindell White. If the 49'ers win the coin flip with Oakland, we could possibly trade with them. But even both of our firsts would not be of enough value to trade with them, as we would need to throw in something else.

Rascal · 01-11-2006, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 27atwater

I still want Santonio Holmes somehow, regardless of whatever else we do early...and 1 or both of the Minnesota linemen in the 2nd and/or 3rd.

I agree with the minnesota lineman.

meangene · 01-11-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

According to my scenario Mario will probably be picked by either San Fran, Oakland, or the Packers. Recent report have the packers entralled with with Lindell White. If the 49'ers win the coin flip with Oakland, we could possibly trade with them. But even both of our firsts would not be of enough value to trade with them, as we would need to throw in something else.

I think you're probably right. That's why I said I wasn't sure both our 1's would do it. Worth a shot, though, IMO. Maybe throw in a later round pick next year.

27atwater · 01-11-2006, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

I agree with the minnesota lineman.

They are at the top of my list after the first round. Great fit for us, and they would already have a chemistry. Although this would never happen, noone has really talked too much about us going after Maroney...a zone back. We land all 3 of those guys, a first round WR or DE and we are looking real solid for the future.

Rascal · 01-11-2006, 09:48 AM

I think I would pass on WR in this draft as the depth is just not there, especially in the first day. I would like to pick up Moulds though in FA. Him with Rod and Lelie would be an impressive WR core.

If we get Mario, and one or both of the Minnesota lineman in the draft I think that would be incredible.

RocBronc · 01-11-2006, 10:32 AM

I don't think our 2 first round picks would be enough to get into the 3-5 range to get Williams and I don't know if it would be worth it to go get him with what it would cost, but it certainly is tempting.

27atwater · 01-11-2006, 10:32 AM

A few weeks ago there was a report that Shanny was gonna makes some changes to the WR corps this offseason. I dunno if it's draft, FA or both, but I would like to see a guy like Moulds and Holmes...or maybe jackson or Hester in the 2nd as a nice vet/youth combo. Cuz even if we do get Moulds or a guy like Jurevicous, they too are fetting up in age. I think no mattre what we do, we need an infusion of young talent.

Traveler · 01-11-2006, 11:32 AM

At some point, OL has to be addressed. Even though the OL has played well, Denver should start looking for replacements.

I would love to somehow get Williams and defense has been the focus for the last couple of years. Time to address to offense. Especially WR, OT, C, or OG with one of the first rounders.

Rascal · 01-11-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 27atwater

A few weeks ago there was a report that Shanny was gonna makes some changes to the WR corps this offseason. I dunno if it's draft, FA or both, but I would like to see a guy like Moulds and Holmes...or maybe jackson or Hester in the 2nd as a nice vet/youth combo. Cuz even if we do get Moulds or a guy like Jurevicous, they too are fetting up in age. I think no mattre what we do, we need an infusion of young talent.

Rod is going to be 36 and Moulds will be 32 I think (maybe 33). But older WR's maintain their value much more, especially possession type WR's such as Moulds and Rod, then older WR's who are big play type WR's.

It typically takes a WR at least three years to become anything of value, and by then Rod may be in crutches so we don't have the time to wait for that amount of time.

I agree we need to get some younger talent at WR but this draft is not very good in terms of WR talent and in order to get any we would have to reach more then likely. Plus I know for sure I don't want us to be the first team to select a WR has they have the propensity for being busts.

RocBronc · 01-11-2006, 12:13 PM

I think Holmes is over rated... Hagan, IMO is the best WR in the draft, IMO...

Rascal · 01-11-2006, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RocBronc

I think Holmes is over rated... Hagan, IMO is the best WR in the draft, IMO...

I don't want either one of them. They would have to be taken with a first and that is reaching IMO. In previous years draft they would have been second rounders, but with this week WR class they are first rounders. There is a lot of depth in other areas in this draft that we could use some help on, and we should take advantage of it.

27atwater · 01-11-2006, 12:43 PM

I really think Holmes camn be a difference maker. he has been compared to steve smith, but is faster and a bit bigger. if he learns the field and game like smith, he's gonna be a star. watched him for a while now and he is electric.

phibacka31 · 01-11-2006, 12:47 PM

I love Holmes and Hagen. I also like some of the WRS that will go in the third. Rodgers(TCU), the Miami(OH) Wr, etc.
Another thing why not trade up and get Ngata if we can get that high. Woud you take williams instead of Ngata?

Clockwork Orange · 01-11-2006, 01:23 PM

This could really depend on the coin flip between the 49ers and Fade. If the 49ers get the 6th pick, we could be in position to make a deal. Rumor has it that they're interested in trading down and stocking up picks, of which the Broncos have plenty to offer. But if the Fade get that 6th pick, they'll take Williams and that will be that.

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27atwater THANK U! sphincter says "what"? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sharon, Pa Posts: 1,594	trade a #1 this year and a #1 next...plus later pix if necessary. I'd rather not use both this year on 1 guy. Last edited by 27atwater; 01-11-2006 at 07:53 AM..

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Traveler Traveling Man! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,411 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	At some point, OL has to be addressed. Even though the OL has played well, Denver should start looking for replacements. I would love to somehow get Williams and defense has been the focus for the last couple of years. Time to address to offense. Especially WR, OT, C, or OG with one of the first rounders. Last edited by Traveler; 01-11-2006 at 11:34 AM..

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01-11-2006, 07:03 AM	#1
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	Mario Williams(trade up or stay put) id love to trade up to get him if it means giving up our 2 1sts for a high first. this guy is a absolute monster. but would you guys rather stay with 2 low 1sts or trade up to get him

01-11-2006, 07:27 AM	#4
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	i woudnt mind that either^ but if we could land that guy id be estatic!

01-11-2006, 07:44 AM	#6
Drek Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,317	I think we address WR and DL heavy in this draft. I don't think that means dumping two firsts on one guy though. I really like Mario Williams, but if his combine isn't impressive his draft stock will get a quick jolt of reality, since his collegiate on-field performance was very up and down. If he doesn't put up a good 40 and/or bench reps he could slide hard. On that same thought path, the same could be said for all the DEs in this draft, including Kiwanuka. The 'skins will give us an early 20's pick, which is ideal slide position. I say sit back and wait to see what steal slides to us. Same with the 2nd 1st, sit back and see what exceptional talent falls because of "need" concerns. Guys always do, I'd prefer to be the team taking advantage of that. I think Chad Jackson or Derek Hagan (I'd prefer the later) would both make excellent 1B picks. A lot of DLs would make a good 1A fit, though we need to see who's left come our pick. Too hard to predict that now before the pro days and combine.

01-11-2006, 07:55 AM	#10
27atwater THANK U! sphincter says "what"? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sharon, Pa Posts: 1,594	I still want Santonio Holmes somehow, regardless of whatever else we do early...and 1 or both of the Minnesota linemen in the 2nd and/or 3rd.

01-11-2006, 08:18 AM	#12
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	According to my scenario Mario will probably be picked by either San Fran, Oakland, or the Packers. Recent report have the packers entralled with with Lindell White. If the 49'ers win the coin flip with Oakland, we could possibly trade with them. But even both of our firsts would not be of enough value to trade with them, as we would need to throw in something else.

01-11-2006, 09:48 AM	#16
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	I think I would pass on WR in this draft as the depth is just not there, especially in the first day. I would like to pick up Moulds though in FA. Him with Rod and Lelie would be an impressive WR core. If we get Mario, and one or both of the Minnesota lineman in the draft I think that would be incredible.

01-11-2006, 10:32 AM	#17
RocBronc Pro Bowler Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 540	I don't think our 2 first round picks would be enough to get into the 3-5 range to get Williams and I don't know if it would be worth it to go get him with what it would cost, but it certainly is tempting.

01-11-2006, 12:13 PM	#21
RocBronc Pro Bowler Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 540	I think Holmes is over rated... Hagan, IMO is the best WR in the draft, IMO...

01-11-2006, 12:43 PM	#23
27atwater THANK U! sphincter says "what"? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sharon, Pa Posts: 1,594	I really think Holmes camn be a difference maker. he has been compared to steve smith, but is faster and a bit bigger. if he learns the field and game like smith, he's gonna be a star. watched him for a while now and he is electric.

01-11-2006, 12:47 PM	#24
phibacka31 Perennial Pro-bowler Nasty Nate Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manchester, IA Posts: 986 Adopt-a-Bronco: Nate Irving	I love Holmes and Hagen. I also like some of the WRS that will go in the third. Rodgers(TCU), the Miami(OH) Wr, etc. Another thing why not trade up and get Ngata if we can get that high. Woud you take williams instead of Ngata?

01-11-2006, 01:23 PM	#25
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	This could really depend on the coin flip between the 49ers and Fade. If the 49ers get the 6th pick, we could be in position to make a deal. Rumor has it that they're interested in trading down and stocking up picks, of which the Broncos have plenty to offer. But if the Fade get that 6th pick, they'll take Williams and that will be that.