Time for Predictions and analysis - The Orange Mane

Atlas · 01-09-2006, 06:32 PM

I have been reading alot from the sites and watched some ESPN. It really is amazing to me how everyone is all over the Pats. I feel they are ruling on emotion and really aren't looking at the facts.
The facts are the Pats play in the weakest division in the NFL.
The facts are the Broncos play in the toughest.
The facts are the Pats had one of the easiest schedule
the Facts are the Broncos had one of the toughest.
The facts are that the Patriots are 10-6 while Denver is 13-3.
The fact is that out of teams NE has played that are top 12 in the NFL NE is 1-5 while Denver is 5-2.
The Fact is that NE is one demmensional on offense. Dillion gained all of 40 yards last week and has had a terrible year.
The fact is Denver is extremely well balanced both running and passing and is the best in the business at scoring early.
The facts are that N.E.'s secondary is dreadful and since the injury to Harrison they have been one of the leagues worse secondaries.
THe fact is Denver is completely healthy for this game and their secondary has been very opportunistic forcing lot's of INTs while shutting down the run game.

Denver is going to score points(they always do) N.E. can't run the ball so that tells me the only way N.E. can come to Mile high and win is that they need a super human effort from Brady and they need to force 3 Denver turnovers. Of course this could happen BUT I don't see it. Denver will run the ball effectively enough to open up some very big pass plays to Lelie and Putz. Rod will lead the team with 8 receptions for 91 yards and Plummer will be very efficient.

Denver 31 N.E. 23

Man-Goblin · 01-09-2006, 07:19 PM

I dunno man, their schedule wasn't that easy. And their division definitely isn't the weakest (see NFC west).

Northman · 01-09-2006, 07:21 PM

Meh, as they say you can throw out the regular season as the Postseason begins a new. Denver to me is the stronger team and we are at home but Brady and the Pats have a lot of ( successful ) playoff experience. I see this being a lot closer and probably down to the wire but like i said the Homefield advantage is going to be the difference here.

Denver- 33
New England- 28

dbroncos31 · 01-09-2006, 09:09 PM

Denver 31, New England 7. Anderson over 100 and 2 TDs, and plummer throws one. and then bailey picks off brady, and while bowing to brady the whole way, runs it back from 31 yards out.

Al Wilson · 01-09-2006, 09:12 PM

According to the world we will forfeit the match

terry251973 · 01-09-2006, 09:15 PM

all the season stats and playoff experience mean absolutely nothing.the bottom line is that denver is the better team this year and with the homefield advantage.unless you are blind you can realize that denver is the better team this year.its not rocket science.taking nothing away from the pats because previous years they were the better team but not this year so i dont understand the media being blind except for their bias.biasness and discrimination is just a fact of life i guess.

MrPeepers · 01-09-2006, 09:21 PM

New England will be befuddled and dumbfounded at their lack of execution in the first half as Denver rolls through their offense like "Babe" steering sheep into their pens. The crowd is angry, hungry and unwilling to give Tom Terrific even the slightest piece of Christmas Ham. The Patriots come out inspired in the second half as their season rides the line, but Al Wilson looking like an old Jack Lambart fires up the boys into a hard hitting wine stomping. Brady makes another inspired attempt in the fourth quarter, however the media has already packed up their laptops and headed for DIA. Patriots find the Broncos foot on their throats as they gasp their last gulp of championship air before the Broncos twist their heel, puff out their chests and go home to the kids.

Broncos 34
Patriots 24

waz06 · 01-09-2006, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPeepers

New England will be befuddled and dumbfounded at their lack of execution in the first half as Denver rolls through their offense like "Babe" steering sheep into their pens. The crowd is angry, hungry and unwilling to give Tom Terrific even the slightest piece of Christmas Ham. The Patriots come out inspired in the second half as their season rides the line, but Al Wilson looking like an old Jack Lambart fires up the boys into a hard hitting wine stomping. Brady makes another inspired attempt in the fourth quarter, however the media has already packed up their laptops and headed for DIA. Patriots find the Broncos foot on their throats as they gasp their last gulp of championship air before the Broncos twist their heel, puff out their chests and go home to the kids.

Broncos 34
Patriots 24

Sorry but I beg to disagree ,,,,

on the score
Broncos 37
Patsies 9

bombquixote · 01-09-2006, 10:57 PM

was just trolling over at patsfans.com. those ****ers are overconfident, all "broncos BARELY beat us when all our starters were injured," and "nobody can run against our D," and "broncos will be lucky to lose by less than 10," and blah blah. man, i can't wait to lay the wood to these punks. they're in for a surprise. better dust off the old golf clubs, tom.

that's my analysis. i also predict peter king will still rate them higher than the broncos in his fine fifteen even after we beat them. bleh. what a strokefest (no pun intended).

SoCalBronco · 01-09-2006, 10:59 PM

Broncos 23 Patriots 16

sirhcyennek81 · 01-09-2006, 11:00 PM

Here is a prediction for you. New England, in a blinding snow storm, takes a 20-0 lead into half, Jake Plummer, cutting lose, ties the game, momentum on our side...until the patriots sack plummer, causing the ball to come out of his hands...the patriots recover...until the replay shows it was a tuck...Broncos get the ball back, and in a swirling snow, Elam kicks the game winning FG as time expires, Broncos win, 23-20...

trench · 01-10-2006, 02:16 AM

quoting Atlas...

>The facts are the Pats play in the weakest division in the NFL.

AFC South, NFC North and NFC West fell shorter than the AFC East.

>The facts are the Broncos play in the toughest.

True.

> The facts are the Pats had one of the easiest schedule

Not true. They played the AFC West and the NFC South. Both are the top two divisions in each conference. They also played the top 2 teams remaining in the AFC. No team had a tougher schedule outside of their conference.

> the Facts are the Broncos had one of the toughest.

You said that already.

>The facts are that the Patriots are 10-6 while Denver is 13-3.

The fact is the Pats are 1-0 and Denver is 0-0. Welcome to the playoffs.

>The fact is that out of teams NE has played that are top 12 in the NFL NE is
>1-5 while Denver is 5-2.

Too much work to bother researching that one. Anyway, Denver fared better against tougher teams.

>The Fact is that NE is one demmensional on offense. Dillion gained
>all of 40 yards last week and has had a terrible year.

Yep, they pass more. And they are successful at that, too,

>The fact is Denver is extremely well balanced both running and passing and
>is the best in the business at scoring early.

Sorry... Denver runs quite a lot more than they pass. #2 in rushing attempts at 542; #25 in passing attempts at 465. There is no balance there.

>The facts are that N.E.'s secondary is dreadful and since the injury to
>Harrison they have been one of the leagues worse secondaries.

Pats are ranked 31st against the pass, Broncs are ranked 29th. Know your team. One team is going against the 18th ranked passing offense, the other is going against the 2nd ranked. Advantage Pats.

>THe fact is Denver is completely healthy for this game and their secondary
>has been very opportunistic forcing lot's of INTs while shutting down the run game.

The Broncos are 100% healthy? I am impressed.

watermock · 01-10-2006, 03:57 AM

If we keep Brady from pulling a wabbit out of his ass on a last possesion, but whould be fine.

No disrepect wabbit. Just an expression.

It's binzness man...bizness...now lets get to work.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 01-10-2006, 05:02 AM

Denver 21, NE - 13

fontaine · 01-10-2006, 05:10 AM

The media should be all over the Pats and should be picking them to win.

I mean after all what have they done the last couple of years except win three SuperBowls?

compared to Denver:

Who have choked badly in the playoffs last two years running.
Like it or not we don't deserve any respect until we go out there and take it by finally winning a playoff game this century.

Merlin · 01-10-2006, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trench

>The fact is that out of teams NE has played that are top 12 in the NFL NE is
>1-5 while Denver is 5-2.

Too much work to bother researching that one. Anyway, Denver fared better against tougher teams.

>The Fact is that NE is one demmensional on offense. Dillion gained
>all of 40 yards last week and has had a terrible year.

Yep, they pass more. And they are successful at that, too,

>The fact is Denver is extremely well balanced both running and passing and
>is the best in the business at scoring early.

Sorry... Denver runs quite a lot more than they pass. #2 in rushing attempts at 542; #25 in passing attempts at 465. There is no balance there.

>The facts are that N.E.'s secondary is dreadful and since the injury to
>Harrison they have been one of the leagues worse secondaries.

Pats are ranked 31st against the pass, Broncs are ranked 29th. Know your team. One team is going against the 18th ranked passing offense, the other is going against the 2nd ranked. Advantage Pats.

Fact is you should bother understanding stats before you go to the opposition's site and spout nonsense. Denver Runs the ball 54% of the time, slanted, but not as bad as NE who passes 56% of the time. If you are going to be slanted, especially in playoff time it is much better to be slanted to rushing.

Lets consider yds/play. NE yds/attempt is 7.66, Denver is 7.25, slight advantage to NE. Denver rushes 4.7 yds/rush, NE 3.4 more than a foot differential, major advantage to Denver. Now consider the Ds and teams both teams played (much stronger schedule for Denver), then your stats are even poorer.

Now lets consider Defense. If you use a very poor statistical method, then you would just look at yds per game, but that says absolutely nothing about the quality of the D (btw, GB has the highest rated passing D by that standard, have you seen them play

). Denver faced by far the most passes in the league, so it is only natural that it have the most yards passed against it. But break down the stats and what do you get:

1. Denver is ranked 4th in points allowed in the NFL
2. Denver is ranked 4th in the NFL is yds/pass (so much for 29th!)
3. Denver is rated second in the league in TO ratio
4. Denver is ranked 2nd in interceptions for the league
5. Denver is ranked 6th in the league against percentage completions
6. Football outsiders, who ranks D based on the opposition, among other factors, ranked the pass D 4th in the NFL
7. Denver's O ranks higher than NE by every measure (except passing, but not much difference there) even though it played much tougher teams.

Edit: Denver is 3rd in the league in points allowed, again, against much stronger opposition

Paladin · 01-10-2006, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Here is a prediction for you. New England, in a blinding snow storm, takes a 20-0 lead into half, Jake Plummer, cutting lose, ties the game, momentum on our side...until the patriots sack plummer, causing the ball to come out of his hands...the patriots recover...until the replay shows it was a tuck...Broncos get the ball back, and in a swirling snow, Elam kicks the game winning FG as time expires, Broncos win, 23-20...

That is just nonsense. Couldn't happen in a ....well,.......a few years.......

Old Dude · 01-10-2006, 07:14 AM

Denver and New England both have fine teams, and neither one is going to take the other lightly.

Brady is 10-0 in the playoffs. That's pretty awesome.

Home teams win 82% of the time in the Divisional Round. That's the biggest margin of the home/road variable all year. (The home team wins about 58% in the regular season, 70% in the wild card round, and 57% in the conference championships.)

Denver and New England both finished strong. The Broncos have won 9 of their last 10, with the single loss coming in a close game at Arrowhead. The Pats have won 5 of their last 6, with the only loss coming in a close game in Miami where they rested many starters and played around with stunts like the drop kick. A couple of columnists have even suggested that the Pats threw that game to avoid a first round matchup with Pittsburgh. Regardless, the Pats are hot.

Between them, Shanahan and Belichick have won 5 of the last 8 super bowls. Neither one of these guys got where they are today by underestimating their opponents.

MajikMan7 · 01-10-2006, 07:34 AM

Patriots 17
Denver 31 Final

Ron Dayne: 4 rushes 12 yards

fontaine · 01-10-2006, 08:02 AM

Denver is going to have to win this game like almost every win we've had the past decade.

By running the ball down the throats of the defense. Mike and Bell are rested and ready. With all due respect to Jake, Rod, Putz etc, it's time for the OL and our RBs to carry this team. They'll be the ones paving the road through the playoffs and I personally I can't wait for Marine Mike to pound the ball inside and Bell for run outside on the perimeter. The more runs the better.

Elway 4 Life · 01-10-2006, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Here is a prediction for you. New England, in a blinding snow storm, takes a 20-0 lead into half, Jake Plummer, cutting lose, ties the game, momentum on our side...until the patriots sack plummer, causing the ball to come out of his hands...the patriots recover...until the replay shows it was a tuck...Broncos get the ball back, and in a swirling snow, Elam kicks the game winning FG as time expires, Broncos win, 23-20...

I hope your wrong! My heart wont take a game like that. I prefer us blowing them out.

Al Wilson · 01-10-2006, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trench

Pats are ranked 31st against the pass, Broncs are ranked 29th. Know your team. One team is going against the 18th ranked passing offense, the other is going against the 2nd ranked. Advantage Pats.

You are such an idiot.

The only reason Denver is ranked that low in Pass defense is because they are blowing teams out by the first half.

Mile High Shack · 01-10-2006, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Wilson

You are such an idiot.

The only reason Denver is ranked that low in Pass defense is because they are blowing teams out in the first half.

and why throw the ball when you rush for as many yards as we do

I expect us to come out throwing a lot if you ask me to losen up the defense, the Pats secondary is weak, weak, weak...and I don't care what the injury report says (godbill lies) ...Brushchi is not going to be close to 100% even if he plays

Elway 4 Life · 01-10-2006, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trench

Pats are ranked 31st against the pass, Broncs are ranked 29th. Know your team. One team is going against the 18th ranked passing offense, the other is going against the 2nd ranked. Advantage Pats.

Just keep thinking that and while your at it get that dip**** information to the Pats.

We get passed on alot because nobody can run on us. They have to pass in order to move the chains.

Most of your analysis was ok but you forgot the most important thing. Top to bottom we are the better team and will prove it come Sat.

shaftedelic · 01-10-2006, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombquixote

was just trolling over at patsfans.com. those ****ers are overconfident, all "broncos BARELY beat us when all our starters were injured," and "nobody can run against our D," and "broncos will be lucky to lose by less than 10," and blah blah. man, i can't wait to lay the wood to these punks. they're in for a surprise. better dust off the old golf clubs, tom.

that's my analysis. i also predict peter king will still rate them higher than the broncos in his fine fifteen even after we beat them. bleh. what a strokefest (no pun intended).

Yup, none of that stuff going on here.

01-09-2006, 06:32 PM	#1
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	Time for Predictions and analysis I have been reading alot from the sites and watched some ESPN. It really is amazing to me how everyone is all over the Pats. I feel they are ruling on emotion and really aren't looking at the facts. The facts are the Pats play in the weakest division in the NFL. The facts are the Broncos play in the toughest. The facts are the Pats had one of the easiest schedule the Facts are the Broncos had one of the toughest. The facts are that the Patriots are 10-6 while Denver is 13-3. The fact is that out of teams NE has played that are top 12 in the NFL NE is 1-5 while Denver is 5-2. The Fact is that NE is one demmensional on offense. Dillion gained all of 40 yards last week and has had a terrible year. The fact is Denver is extremely well balanced both running and passing and is the best in the business at scoring early. The facts are that N.E.'s secondary is dreadful and since the injury to Harrison they have been one of the leagues worse secondaries. THe fact is Denver is completely healthy for this game and their secondary has been very opportunistic forcing lot's of INTs while shutting down the run game. Denver is going to score points(they always do) N.E. can't run the ball so that tells me the only way N.E. can come to Mile high and win is that they need a super human effort from Brady and they need to force 3 Denver turnovers. Of course this could happen BUT I don't see it. Denver will run the ball effectively enough to open up some very big pass plays to Lelie and Putz. Rod will lead the team with 8 receptions for 91 yards and Plummer will be very efficient. Denver 31 N.E. 23

01-09-2006, 10:59 PM	#10
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,319 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	Broncos 23 Patriots 16 __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

01-10-2006, 02:16 AM	#12
trench Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lafayette, CO Posts: 72	quoting Atlas... >The facts are the Pats play in the weakest division in the NFL. AFC South, NFC North and NFC West fell shorter than the AFC East. >The facts are the Broncos play in the toughest. True. > The facts are the Pats had one of the easiest schedule Not true. They played the AFC West and the NFC South. Both are the top two divisions in each conference. They also played the top 2 teams remaining in the AFC. No team had a tougher schedule outside of their conference. > the Facts are the Broncos had one of the toughest. You said that already. >The facts are that the Patriots are 10-6 while Denver is 13-3. The fact is the Pats are 1-0 and Denver is 0-0. Welcome to the playoffs. >The fact is that out of teams NE has played that are top 12 in the NFL NE is >1-5 while Denver is 5-2. Too much work to bother researching that one. Anyway, Denver fared better against tougher teams. >The Fact is that NE is one demmensional on offense. Dillion gained >all of 40 yards last week and has had a terrible year. Yep, they pass more. And they are successful at that, too, >The fact is Denver is extremely well balanced both running and passing and >is the best in the business at scoring early. Sorry... Denver runs quite a lot more than they pass. #2 in rushing attempts at 542; #25 in passing attempts at 465. There is no balance there. >The facts are that N.E.'s secondary is dreadful and since the injury to >Harrison they have been one of the leagues worse secondaries. Pats are ranked 31st against the pass, Broncs are ranked 29th. Know your team. One team is going against the 18th ranked passing offense, the other is going against the 2nd ranked. Advantage Pats. >THe fact is Denver is completely healthy for this game and their secondary >has been very opportunistic forcing lot's of INTs while shutting down the run game. The Broncos are 100% healthy? I am impressed. Last edited by trench; 01-10-2006 at 02:21 AM..

01-10-2006, 07:14 AM	#18
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,158	Denver and New England both have fine teams, and neither one is going to take the other lightly. Brady is 10-0 in the playoffs. That's pretty awesome. Home teams win 82% of the time in the Divisional Round. That's the biggest margin of the home/road variable all year. (The home team wins about 58% in the regular season, 70% in the wild card round, and 57% in the conference championships.) Denver and New England both finished strong. The Broncos have won 9 of their last 10, with the single loss coming in a close game at Arrowhead. The Pats have won 5 of their last 6, with the only loss coming in a close game in Miami where they rested many starters and played around with stunts like the drop kick. A couple of columnists have even suggested that the Pats threw that game to avoid a first round matchup with Pittsburgh. Regardless, the Pats are hot. Between them, Shanahan and Belichick have won 5 of the last 8 super bowls. Neither one of these guys got where they are today by underestimating their opponents. Last edited by Old Dude; 01-10-2006 at 07:21 AM..

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01-09-2006, 07:19 PM	#2
Man-Goblin Giving You The Business Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 5,589 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	I dunno man, their schedule wasn't that easy. And their division definitely isn't the weakest (see NFC west).

01-09-2006, 07:21 PM	#3
Northman The Enigma Prognosis Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 17,925 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bryci	Meh, as they say you can throw out the regular season as the Postseason begins a new. Denver to me is the stronger team and we are at home but Brady and the Pats have a lot of ( successful ) playoff experience. I see this being a lot closer and probably down to the wire but like i said the Homefield advantage is going to be the difference here. Denver- 33 New England- 28

01-09-2006, 09:09 PM	#4
dbroncos31 Ring of Famer RIP D-Will Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Garrison NY Posts: 1,679	Denver 31, New England 7. Anderson over 100 and 2 TDs, and plummer throws one. and then bailey picks off brady, and while bowing to brady the whole way, runs it back from 31 yards out.

01-09-2006, 09:12 PM	#5
Al Wilson Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 943	According to the world we will forfeit the match

01-09-2006, 09:15 PM	#6
terry251973 Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,048	all the season stats and playoff experience mean absolutely nothing.the bottom line is that denver is the better team this year and with the homefield advantage.unless you are blind you can realize that denver is the better team this year.its not rocket science.taking nothing away from the pats because previous years they were the better team but not this year so i dont understand the media being blind except for their bias.biasness and discrimination is just a fact of life i guess.

01-09-2006, 09:21 PM	#7
MrPeepers Ring of Famer Remember Darrent Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: AZ/CO Littleton Posts: 1,368 Adopt-a-Bronco: TBD	New England will be befuddled and dumbfounded at their lack of execution in the first half as Denver rolls through their offense like "Babe" steering sheep into their pens. The crowd is angry, hungry and unwilling to give Tom Terrific even the slightest piece of Christmas Ham. The Patriots come out inspired in the second half as their season rides the line, but Al Wilson looking like an old Jack Lambart fires up the boys into a hard hitting wine stomping. Brady makes another inspired attempt in the fourth quarter, however the media has already packed up their laptops and headed for DIA. Patriots find the Broncos foot on their throats as they gasp their last gulp of championship air before the Broncos twist their heel, puff out their chests and go home to the kids. Broncos 34 Patriots 24

01-09-2006, 10:57 PM	#9
bombquixote Ring of Famer 11-5 in 2009 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Perineum Posts: 1,098	was just trolling over at patsfans.com. those ****ers are overconfident, all "broncos BARELY beat us when all our starters were injured," and "nobody can run against our D," and "broncos will be lucky to lose by less than 10," and blah blah. man, i can't wait to lay the wood to these punks. they're in for a surprise. better dust off the old golf clubs, tom. that's my analysis. i also predict peter king will still rate them higher than the broncos in his fine fifteen even after we beat them. bleh. what a strokefest (no pun intended).

01-09-2006, 11:00 PM	#11
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,681 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Here is a prediction for you. New England, in a blinding snow storm, takes a 20-0 lead into half, Jake Plummer, cutting lose, ties the game, momentum on our side...until the patriots sack plummer, causing the ball to come out of his hands...the patriots recover...until the replay shows it was a tuck...Broncos get the ball back, and in a swirling snow, Elam kicks the game winning FG as time expires, Broncos win, 23-20...

01-10-2006, 03:57 AM	#13
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	If we keep Brady from pulling a wabbit out of his ass on a last possesion, but whould be fine. No disrepect wabbit. Just an expression. It's binzness man...bizness...now lets get to work.

01-10-2006, 05:02 AM	#14
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	Denver 21, NE - 13

01-10-2006, 05:10 AM	#15
fontaine Ring of Famer Go John Manning! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,429	The media should be all over the Pats and should be picking them to win. I mean after all what have they done the last couple of years except win three SuperBowls? compared to Denver: Who have choked badly in the playoffs last two years running. Like it or not we don't deserve any respect until we go out there and take it by finally winning a playoff game this century.

01-10-2006, 07:34 AM	#19
MajikMan7 Voice of Reason Alando 'National TV' Tucker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,070 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jake Plummer	Patriots 17 Denver 31 Final Ron Dayne: 4 rushes 12 yards

01-10-2006, 08:02 AM	#20
fontaine Ring of Famer Go John Manning! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,429	Denver is going to have to win this game like almost every win we've had the past decade. By running the ball down the throats of the defense. Mike and Bell are rested and ready. With all due respect to Jake, Rod, Putz etc, it's time for the OL and our RBs to carry this team. They'll be the ones paving the road through the playoffs and I personally I can't wait for Marine Mike to pound the ball inside and Bell for run outside on the perimeter. The more runs the better.