Keeper League - The Orange Mane

Mile High Shack · 12-28-2005, 12:54 PM

Ok, you 12 know who you are

here is a post dedicated to getting this started and hammering out the rules and fees and all that garbage

First off, we have to have a 3 year commitment to this I think in order to make it work, if not, it just won't be as fun

Do we want any type of salary cap along with the rules rascal posted?

Rascal · 12-28-2005, 01:00 PM

Here are the current rules.

I'm concerned about the complexity of them to be honest since not all of us may have done a keeper league before. If this is the case we can always ammend them. Check out the rules and give us some feedback so we can hammer out something that everybody can agree too. Rules that I thought we might want to discuss are in bold, everything else I figured was pretty straight forward.

General Rules
• Roster size: 18 players. No injured reserved. There are no roster restrictions except that you must draft enough players at each position to field a starting lineup on opening day. Starting requirements are 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, RB/WR, TE, K, D.
• Each team can keep from 0 to 3 players. It is possible that because of poor drafting or poor team management, a team may not have any players they wish to keep.
• Free Agency will be FCFS. However, you will be limited to 10 roster moves each year. FA will begin at the end of the draft. Name dropping will not be allowed for FA or drafting.
• Any players drafted in rounds 1 - 3 of the previous year cannot be keepers.
• Players can be kept a maximum of 3 times.
Example 1: For example, you can draft a player in 2005, and then keep them for the next 3 years: 2006, 2007, 2008. In 2009, this player must go back into the draft pool of players.
For each player you keep, you must give up a draft pick 2 rounds higher than the player's draft position the year before. If you keep an undrafted player (UDP) from the previous year, you must give up your 12th round pick. Players that were drafted and then cut still maintain their draft status.
Example 1: You draft Carson Palmer, QB CIN in round 9 in 2005. In 2006, you must give up your 7th round draft pick (he becomes effectively your 7th round pick) to keep him. In 2007, he becomes your 5th round choice, and if you keep him for a third year, you must give up your 3rd round pick in 2008.
Example 2: Somebody drafts D Foster, RB CAR in round 5 in 2005. He is cut half way through the season, and you decide to pick him up. You then decide to keep him. In 2006, he becomes your 3rd round draft pick (you give up a 3rd rounder). In 2007, because his draft status was round 3 in the previous year, he is no longer eligible for keeper status and is returned to the draft pool.
• If you do not have a draft pick for the correct round to give up to keep a player, you must give up the next higher draft pick. This can happened if you trade away a draft pick during pre-season or have 2 keepers that have the same draft status from the previous year.
Example 1: You decide to keep your draft pick in round 14 from the previous year and you also want to keep an undrafted player (UDP). Both require that you give up your 12th round draft pick. Since you only have one 12th round selection, to keep both players, you must give up picks for rounds 11 and 12.
Example 2: You want to keep a player you drafted in the 5th round last year. You also traded away your 3rd round pick during pre-season. To keep last year's 5th round pick, you must give up your 3rd round pick this year. Since you have no 3rd round selection, to keep this player, you must give up your 2nd pick.
• When the draft is complete, the draft position the player ends up at will determine next year's draft position status.
For Example: You have 2 undrafted players (UDPs) you want to keep. Based on the rule above, you will have to give up a 12th and an 11th round pick to keep each. If the draft completes with your 2nd keeper being your 11th round draft pick, and you decide to keep that same player next year, you will have to give up a 9th round pick to keep that player the following year.
HINT: Put your best keeper free agent in the 12th round slot or trade for an extra selection in that round.
• Non-Returning Teams: The league will resell teams that do not return. The new owner will get the old team’s current roster of players and their current draft position. If no new owner can be found and the league is willing to play with less than the full amount of teams, the rosters of the non-returning teams will be returned to the draft pool. If a team quits during the season the roster will be locked until a replacement can be found. The commissioner will make starting requirement changes as necessary until then.
• Commissioners will not change lineups during the season if the team is still in playoff contention or already secured a playoff spot. An owner not submitting a valid lineup may be grounds for dismissal. Collusion will not be tolerated and may be grounds for dismissal.
Important Dates
• 2 months before the season starts payment is due (will be decided year in and year out but this is the general rule). Owners from the previous year must pay for the new season. This gives us a month to find replacement owners.
• Four weeks before the season starts your keepers must be declared. Keepers can be declared at anytime (if a new owner is brought on board before this deadline the keepers may be changed if they were determined previously). The draft will typically be held three weeks before the season, but this is flexible based on everybody’s schedule. At the keeper deadline (typically one week before the draft), your keepers will be placed into their corrected draft position and will be considered DRAFTED. Your draft pick for that spot is consumed (used). Not a concern the first year since nobody will have any keepers.
NOTE: After the keepers have been processed, you can trade non-used draft picks, or your keeper players, but the players draft position cannot be changed.
• On draft day keepers are finalized and the draft begins. The Draft will be about three weeks before the season starts.
• FA starts as soon as draft is complete.
• Trade deadline will be the first kickoff in week 11.
• On the kickoff of the first playoff game, all rosters will be locked. Rosters will not be activated again until one week prior to when keepers must be declared for the next year. This gives everyone 2 weeks to decide on their final roster and make any free agent request that may be needed.
Trading
• You may not trade players and/or draft picks during the draft.
• During the regular season, draft picks may NOT be traded.
This rule is to avoid the problem where a team trades away many of their future selections and then does not return to the league the next year.
• All trades must be approved by the three person panel. It will be a revolving panel so each person will get their turn (however the commissioner will always be a member). Each year the two additional members will be determined by the league. This is open for discussion.
• Off-season trading is allowed. Trades will be reflected when rosters are reactivated one week prior to keeps being declared.
• Keeper status follows the traded player.
When trading players, the players draft status (position) and keeper status (years he can be kept) is traded with the player.
Example: In 2000, you drafted MIN QB Culpepper in the 7th round. His keeper status is as follows:
Year Draft Position Keeper Status
---- --------------- ------------------------
2000 7th round pick - Initial year drafted.
2001 5th round pick - 1st keeper year.
2002 3rd round pick - 2nd keeper year.
2003 Cannot be kept, picks in round 1-3 are always returned.
Since his draft and keeper status follows him to whatever team he is traded to, he can only be kept for the 2001 and the 2002 season. 2003, he must go back into the draft because his draft position, which rises 2 rounds each year got too high. If this team could have drafted him in the 8th round, Culpepper could have been kept the full max of 3 years.
Drafting
We will use a normal serpentine drafting format from worst to first. Worst finishing team drafts first, while the best finishing team drafts last. This is open for discussion.

New Rules and Common Sense

New rules must be approved by the commissioner and then pass a majority vote of owners. The commissioner decides when to implement new rules. Most new rules will not go into effect until the off-season.

In the event something may occur which is not covered in these rules the commissioner will use their good judgment to decide on the matter.

Scoring

TBD

Rascal · 12-28-2005, 01:03 PM

And here is the list of those in the league:

Shack
Pez
TJ
Philly
Bman (Oskie)
REB
Johnny1
Old Dude
MT
Sideburn
Blueflame
Myself

We selected owners who have participated in leagues here before and are regular members of the Mane (not necessarily talking a lot but are on the frequently) so if you are reading this and didn't get an invite don't be offended, and if you are offended you can neg rep me as much as you want.

Old Dude · 12-28-2005, 01:27 PM

Just some suggestions ...

1. I've only played under two server systems: CBS Sportsline and "My Fantasy League." I felt that Sportsline was a lot easier to access and navigate. So to the extent that we have any input, I would vote for that one.

2. As TJ mentioned any number of times, I think that it is critically important that the entire schedule be set before the draft. I would add the same thing with respect to every aspect of the scoring system. I think that this is important even if we don't have double headers. Even if the schedule-maker is as honest and trustworthy as can be, there will always be an "appearance" of impropriety unless it's all set out up front.

3. As far as the scoring itself goes, I personally liked the 4 point per TD pass version that we used in the OM/NPN league this year, but I'm not rabid about it.

4. I would personally prefer that the season wrap up in week 16. This is especially true if we are restricted in terms of roster moves. But, again, that's just my preference.

Mile High Shack · 12-28-2005, 01:32 PM

since there are only 12 of us in this league, I don't see why we couldn't wrap up the league by week 16, week 17 just creates more problems than it's worth

My preference is not to have divisions, but just 12 teams all duking it out......everyone playing everyone once and others 2 x's...I'm all for the system generating the schedule, not the commish, which usually can happen

I don't like the my fantasy league site at all, cbs sportsline is much easier to use IMO

Rascal · 12-28-2005, 01:42 PM

I had intended on using CBS and like Shack mentioned having a 12 team league with no divisions.

Not sure if we can set the schedule or not or if it will be random but I prefer the random schedule generator (no matter what though you will play some teams more then once and also that means some team is going to get screwed and play a really good team twice...that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess unless somebody has a better suggestion).

We won't have double headers in this format since there is only one league.

I had also figured that the scoring would be similar to the OM/NPN league but with less importance on kickers/defensive scoring. Will be set before the draft obviously.

And the championship will be on week 16, although the waiver wire may be open till week 17 (since it is a keeper league) but I'm not sure about that though.

Pezman · 12-28-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

since there are only 12 of us in this league, I don't see why we couldn't wrap up the league by week 16, week 17 just creates more problems than it's worth

My preference is not to have divisions, but just 12 teams all duking it out......everyone playing everyone once and others 2 x's...I'm all for the system generating the schedule, not the commish, which usually can happen

I don't like the my fantasy league site at all, cbs sportsline is much easier to use IMO

Things to keep in mind with sportsline...

Fees - They have a very high based system for yearly leagues almost too much. A league now costs 150 bucks per year. That is obscene.

I suggest finding a third alternative source like fanball.com and their service at less than 1/4 of the cost of Sportsline.

Second, keeper leagues require much more offseason news, and Sportsline is geared towards yearly leagues. I would advise looking into others opinions (who use Sportsline as their keeper source) before diving headfirst into it.

Third. Auction leagues are a very difficult thing to manage. I think simplicity must outweigh in this case since you dont want league owners frustrated in a three year commitment IMO.

Thoughts gents?

Oh yeah, and one other thought... Cost for a three year commitment will be a great burden, especially if we expect it up front. Take that as a precaution

Rascal · 12-28-2005, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pezman

Things to keep in mind with sportsline...

Fees - They have a very high based system for yearly leagues almost too much. A league now costs 150 bucks per year. That is obscene.

I suggest finding a third alternative source like fanball.com and their service at less than 1/4 of the cost of Sportsline.

Second, keeper leagues require much more offseason news, and Sportsline is geared towards yearly leagues. I would advise looking into others opinions (who use Sportsline as their keeper source) before diving headfirst into it.

Third. Auction leagues are a very difficult thing to manage. I think simplicity must outweigh in this case since you dont want league owners frustrated in a three year commitment IMO.

Thoughts gents?

Oh yeah, and one other thought... Cost for a three year commitment will be a great burden, especially if we expect it up front. Take that as a precaution

Thanks for the heads up on CBS keeper leagues. I have not done keeper there for a while and it was a lot cheeper then. But that is just too expensive and we will look elsewhere.

If anybody has any other suggestions for websites to use let us know. I'll take a look at fanball.

With the people that we have selected I think we would be good to pay one year at a time.

Pezman · 12-28-2005, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rascal

Thanks for the heads up on CBS keeper leagues. I have not done keeper there for a while and it was a lot cheeper then. But that is just too expensive and we will look elsewhere.

If anybody has any other suggestions for websites to use let us know. I'll take a look at fanball.

With the people that we have selected I think we would be good to pay one year at a time.

Well, the only problem with one year at a time is that my best friend in Colorado actually had a quitter in his league after one year after his team tanked. The problem was, they couldnt get anyone to take over the team and it really screwed up the league. I hate to sound anal about it, especially since we are all buds here, but it really would be playing with fire unless we got upfront fees (or at least some sort of deposit)

My .02 cents anyway...

As for Fanball, I think they would be a pretty good source. Also, if you are looking for alternatives go here.

http://www.ffbookmarks.com/ and see if you can find other alternatives

Mile High Shack · 12-28-2005, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rascal

Thanks for the heads up on CBS keeper leagues. I have not done keeper there for a while and it was a lot cheeper then. But that is just too expensive and we will look elsewhere.

If anybody has any other suggestions for websites to use let us know. I'll take a look at fanball.

With the people that we have selected I think we would be good to pay one year at a time.

Yeah I think one year at a time is good enough, I think all of us are trust worthy enough that the whole 3 years wouldn't need to be paid up front totally

I didn't know about the CBS thingmajigger not being a good one, we can look around, I didn't like the myfantasyleague though.......didn't like how they had it set up and it seemed too buggy

my other thought would be to set up a small additional fee for a small trophy that we could get the winners name on per year? I know guys at midwest trophy and they could hook me up cheap

Having a trophy would be cool

Mile High Shack · 12-28-2005, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pezman

Well, the only problem with one year at a time is that my best friend in Colorado actually had a quitter in his league after one year after his team tanked. The problem was, they couldnt get anyone to take over the team and it really screwed up the league. I hate to sound anal about it, especially since we are all buds here, but it really would be playing with fire unless we got upfront fees (or at least some sort of deposit)

My .02 cents anyway...

As for Fanball, I think they would be a pretty good source. Also, if you are looking for alternatives go here.

www.fantasyfootballlinks.com and see if you can find other alternatives

hmmm good point in regards to the money

......................

Pezman · 12-28-2005, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

Yeah I think one year at a time is good enough, I think all of us are trust worthy enough that the whole 3 years wouldn't need to be paid up front totally

I didn't know about the CBS thingmajigger not being a good one, we can look around, I didn't like the myfantasyleague though.......didn't like how they had it set up and it seemed too buggy

my other thought would be to set up a small additional fee for a small trophy that we could get the winners name on per year? I know guys at midwest trophy and they could hook me up cheap

Having a trophy would be cool

A trophy would rock

I agree with myffl.com. The only reason we were forced to go with them was because we required a deluxe league and they were one of the only ones to offer it.

I think in a couple years, that they could really rock, but until they get those kinks worked out, its hard to recommend them to anyone.

Rascal · 12-28-2005, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pezman

Well, the only problem with one year at a time is that my best friend in Colorado actually had a quitter in his league after one year after his team tanked. The problem was, they couldnt get anyone to take over the team and it really screwed up the league. I hate to sound anal about it, especially since we are all buds here, but it really would be playing with fire unless we got upfront fees (or at least some sort of deposit)

Yeah that would suck.

I'm not sure that would be such a problem in this league since none of the top three round of players from the previous year can be kept, but to help ensure it doesn't we will need to come up with something.

Pezman · 12-28-2005, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rascal

Yeah that would suck.

I'm not sure that would be such a problem in this league since none of the top three round of players from the previous year can be kept, but to help ensure it doesn't we will need to come up with something.

True. I think a deposit would be a good start

As for league fees, we should also consider that most of us will want to up the stakes. I wonder if $100 per year would be over the top? Cuz, if not, I would love to spread that kind of money out on prizes

Rascal · 12-28-2005, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pezman

True. I think a deposit would be a good start

As for league fees, we should also consider that most of us will want to up the stakes. I wonder if $100 per year would be over the top? Cuz, if not, I would love to spread that kind of money out on prizes

I don't know about raising the stakes as I know two people have said that anything over 60 and they may have to reconsider but it's something that will need to be discussed.

We have some time to wait obviously and things may change with people and how much they want to pony up.

Old Dude · 12-28-2005, 02:19 PM

$100 a year would be way too rich for my taste, especially if we had to pay $300 up front.

I could manage maybe half of that. $50 per year and I could probably come up with the whole $150 so long as we waited until May or June.

A trophy would be really cool, and I don't think they are all that expensive.

Mile High Shack · 12-28-2005, 02:26 PM

the winner would have to post his/her pic with the trophy every year

be it drinking out of it ala the Stanley Cup or what not

Pezman · 12-28-2005, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

the winner would have to post his/her pic with the trophy every year

be it drinking out of it ala the Stanley Cup or what not

Screw that

I am NOT posting my mug with that trophy all three years when I win

Old Dude · 12-28-2005, 02:44 PM

Would this one be big enough?

Mtbrncofn · 12-28-2005, 10:55 PM

I too liked Sportsline, but if there are issues there, I understand. I'm not digging the one we used for OM this year too much.

I also am in the camp of not wanting to pay the whole thing up front and I am a trustworthy person when it comes to paying for my stuff up front. I was of the opinion that it was going to be around 50 bucks a year which would be cool. I'm not sure if I will be able to go much over that, $100 is over my FFL budget.

Mile High Shack · 12-29-2005, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtbrncofn

I too liked Sportsline, but if there are issues there, I understand. I'm not digging the one we used for OM this year too much.

I also am in the camp of not wanting to pay the whole thing up front and I am a trustworthy person when it comes to paying for my stuff up front. I was of the opinion that it was going to be around 50 bucks a year which would be cool. I'm not sure if I will be able to go much over that, $100 is over my FFL budget.

I think we can swing it where we can trust the people enough...I dunno

Pez just seems like he doesn't trust us MT

hehe

Old Dude · 12-29-2005, 06:52 AM

Tell you what I will do ... I'm not sure how many gift certificates I won for high scoring, points leader & regular season conference champ in this league this year ... but I think it was at least $30.00 or $40.00 and I'll be happy to donate all of that, whatever it is, towards a trophy for the keeper league.

"Lord Old Dude's Cup" has kind of a ring to it.

Mile High Shack · 12-29-2005, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Dude

Tell you what I will do ... I'm not sure how many gift certificates I won for high scoring, points leader & regular season conference champ in this league this year ... but I think it was at least $30.00 or $40.00 and I'll be happy to donate all of that, whatever it is, towards a trophy for the keeper league.

"Lord Old Dude's Cup" has kind of a ring to it.

you are gonna have to take it from me

I'm already going to engrave Mile High Shack Attack in it since I know I would win the first year

Old Dude · 12-29-2005, 07:14 AM

Donating a trophy is probably as close as I'd ever come to getting my name on it.

Mile High Shack · 12-29-2005, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Dude

Donating a trophy is probably as close as I'd ever come to getting my name on it.

only if you draft Larry Johnson instead of white boy Titan next year

12-28-2005, 12:54 PM	#1
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	Keeper League Ok, you 12 know who you are here is a post dedicated to getting this started and hammering out the rules and fees and all that garbage First off, we have to have a 3 year commitment to this I think in order to make it work, if not, it just won't be as fun Do we want any type of salary cap along with the rules rascal posted?

12-28-2005, 01:03 PM	#3
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	And here is the list of those in the league: Shack Pez TJ Philly Bman (Oskie) REB Johnny1 Old Dude MT Sideburn Blueflame Myself We selected owners who have participated in leagues here before and are regular members of the Mane (not necessarily talking a lot but are on the frequently) so if you are reading this and didn't get an invite don't be offended, and if you are offended you can neg rep me as much as you want. Last edited by Rascal; 12-28-2005 at 01:10 PM..

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12-28-2005, 01:00 PM	#2
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Here are the current rules. I'm concerned about the complexity of them to be honest since not all of us may have done a keeper league before. If this is the case we can always ammend them. Check out the rules and give us some feedback so we can hammer out something that everybody can agree too. Rules that I thought we might want to discuss are in bold, everything else I figured was pretty straight forward. General Rules • Roster size: 18 players. No injured reserved. There are no roster restrictions except that you must draft enough players at each position to field a starting lineup on opening day. Starting requirements are 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, RB/WR, TE, K, D. • Each team can keep from 0 to 3 players. It is possible that because of poor drafting or poor team management, a team may not have any players they wish to keep. • Free Agency will be FCFS. However, you will be limited to 10 roster moves each year. FA will begin at the end of the draft. Name dropping will not be allowed for FA or drafting. • Any players drafted in rounds 1 - 3 of the previous year cannot be keepers. • Players can be kept a maximum of 3 times. Example 1: For example, you can draft a player in 2005, and then keep them for the next 3 years: 2006, 2007, 2008. In 2009, this player must go back into the draft pool of players. For each player you keep, you must give up a draft pick 2 rounds higher than the player's draft position the year before. If you keep an undrafted player (UDP) from the previous year, you must give up your 12th round pick. Players that were drafted and then cut still maintain their draft status. Example 1: You draft Carson Palmer, QB CIN in round 9 in 2005. In 2006, you must give up your 7th round draft pick (he becomes effectively your 7th round pick) to keep him. In 2007, he becomes your 5th round choice, and if you keep him for a third year, you must give up your 3rd round pick in 2008. Example 2: Somebody drafts D Foster, RB CAR in round 5 in 2005. He is cut half way through the season, and you decide to pick him up. You then decide to keep him. In 2006, he becomes your 3rd round draft pick (you give up a 3rd rounder). In 2007, because his draft status was round 3 in the previous year, he is no longer eligible for keeper status and is returned to the draft pool. • If you do not have a draft pick for the correct round to give up to keep a player, you must give up the next higher draft pick. This can happened if you trade away a draft pick during pre-season or have 2 keepers that have the same draft status from the previous year. Example 1: You decide to keep your draft pick in round 14 from the previous year and you also want to keep an undrafted player (UDP). Both require that you give up your 12th round draft pick. Since you only have one 12th round selection, to keep both players, you must give up picks for rounds 11 and 12. Example 2: You want to keep a player you drafted in the 5th round last year. You also traded away your 3rd round pick during pre-season. To keep last year's 5th round pick, you must give up your 3rd round pick this year. Since you have no 3rd round selection, to keep this player, you must give up your 2nd pick. • When the draft is complete, the draft position the player ends up at will determine next year's draft position status. For Example: You have 2 undrafted players (UDPs) you want to keep. Based on the rule above, you will have to give up a 12th and an 11th round pick to keep each. If the draft completes with your 2nd keeper being your 11th round draft pick, and you decide to keep that same player next year, you will have to give up a 9th round pick to keep that player the following year. HINT: Put your best keeper free agent in the 12th round slot or trade for an extra selection in that round. • Non-Returning Teams: The league will resell teams that do not return. The new owner will get the old team’s current roster of players and their current draft position. If no new owner can be found and the league is willing to play with less than the full amount of teams, the rosters of the non-returning teams will be returned to the draft pool. If a team quits during the season the roster will be locked until a replacement can be found. The commissioner will make starting requirement changes as necessary until then. • Commissioners will not change lineups during the season if the team is still in playoff contention or already secured a playoff spot. An owner not submitting a valid lineup may be grounds for dismissal. Collusion will not be tolerated and may be grounds for dismissal. Important Dates • 2 months before the season starts payment is due (will be decided year in and year out but this is the general rule). Owners from the previous year must pay for the new season. This gives us a month to find replacement owners. • Four weeks before the season starts your keepers must be declared. Keepers can be declared at anytime (if a new owner is brought on board before this deadline the keepers may be changed if they were determined previously). The draft will typically be held three weeks before the season, but this is flexible based on everybody’s schedule. At the keeper deadline (typically one week before the draft), your keepers will be placed into their corrected draft position and will be considered DRAFTED. Your draft pick for that spot is consumed (used). Not a concern the first year since nobody will have any keepers. NOTE: After the keepers have been processed, you can trade non-used draft picks, or your keeper players, but the players draft position cannot be changed. • On draft day keepers are finalized and the draft begins. The Draft will be about three weeks before the season starts. • FA starts as soon as draft is complete. • Trade deadline will be the first kickoff in week 11. • On the kickoff of the first playoff game, all rosters will be locked. Rosters will not be activated again until one week prior to when keepers must be declared for the next year. This gives everyone 2 weeks to decide on their final roster and make any free agent request that may be needed. Trading • You may not trade players and/or draft picks during the draft. • During the regular season, draft picks may NOT be traded. This rule is to avoid the problem where a team trades away many of their future selections and then does not return to the league the next year. • All trades must be approved by the three person panel. It will be a revolving panel so each person will get their turn (however the commissioner will always be a member). Each year the two additional members will be determined by the league. This is open for discussion. • Off-season trading is allowed. Trades will be reflected when rosters are reactivated one week prior to keeps being declared. • Keeper status follows the traded player. When trading players, the players draft status (position) and keeper status (years he can be kept) is traded with the player. Example: In 2000, you drafted MIN QB Culpepper in the 7th round. His keeper status is as follows: Year Draft Position Keeper Status ---- --------------- ------------------------ 2000 7th round pick - Initial year drafted. 2001 5th round pick - 1st keeper year. 2002 3rd round pick - 2nd keeper year. 2003 Cannot be kept, picks in round 1-3 are always returned. Since his draft and keeper status follows him to whatever team he is traded to, he can only be kept for the 2001 and the 2002 season. 2003, he must go back into the draft because his draft position, which rises 2 rounds each year got too high. If this team could have drafted him in the 8th round, Culpepper could have been kept the full max of 3 years. Drafting We will use a normal serpentine drafting format from worst to first. Worst finishing team drafts first, while the best finishing team drafts last. This is open for discussion. New Rules and Common Sense New rules must be approved by the commissioner and then pass a majority vote of owners. The commissioner decides when to implement new rules. Most new rules will not go into effect until the off-season. In the event something may occur which is not covered in these rules the commissioner will use their good judgment to decide on the matter. Scoring TBD

12-28-2005, 01:27 PM	#4
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,215	Just some suggestions ... 1. I've only played under two server systems: CBS Sportsline and "My Fantasy League." I felt that Sportsline was a lot easier to access and navigate. So to the extent that we have any input, I would vote for that one. 2. As TJ mentioned any number of times, I think that it is critically important that the entire schedule be set before the draft. I would add the same thing with respect to every aspect of the scoring system. I think that this is important even if we don't have double headers. Even if the schedule-maker is as honest and trustworthy as can be, there will always be an "appearance" of impropriety unless it's all set out up front. 3. As far as the scoring itself goes, I personally liked the 4 point per TD pass version that we used in the OM/NPN league this year, but I'm not rabid about it. 4. I would personally prefer that the season wrap up in week 16. This is especially true if we are restricted in terms of roster moves. But, again, that's just my preference.

12-28-2005, 01:32 PM	#5
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	since there are only 12 of us in this league, I don't see why we couldn't wrap up the league by week 16, week 17 just creates more problems than it's worth My preference is not to have divisions, but just 12 teams all duking it out......everyone playing everyone once and others 2 x's...I'm all for the system generating the schedule, not the commish, which usually can happen I don't like the my fantasy league site at all, cbs sportsline is much easier to use IMO

12-28-2005, 01:42 PM	#6
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	I had intended on using CBS and like Shack mentioned having a 12 team league with no divisions. Not sure if we can set the schedule or not or if it will be random but I prefer the random schedule generator (no matter what though you will play some teams more then once and also that means some team is going to get screwed and play a really good team twice...that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess unless somebody has a better suggestion). We won't have double headers in this format since there is only one league. I had also figured that the scoring would be similar to the OM/NPN league but with less importance on kickers/defensive scoring. Will be set before the draft obviously. And the championship will be on week 16, although the waiver wire may be open till week 17 (since it is a keeper league) but I'm not sure about that though.

12-28-2005, 02:19 PM	#16
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,215	$100 a year would be way too rich for my taste, especially if we had to pay $300 up front. I could manage maybe half of that. $50 per year and I could probably come up with the whole $150 so long as we waited until May or June. A trophy would be really cool, and I don't think they are all that expensive.

12-28-2005, 02:26 PM	#17
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	the winner would have to post his/her pic with the trophy every year be it drinking out of it ala the Stanley Cup or what not

12-28-2005, 02:44 PM	#19
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,215	Would this one be big enough?

12-28-2005, 10:55 PM	#20
Mtbrncofn Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bigfork, MT Posts: 8,558	I too liked Sportsline, but if there are issues there, I understand. I'm not digging the one we used for OM this year too much. I also am in the camp of not wanting to pay the whole thing up front and I am a trustworthy person when it comes to paying for my stuff up front. I was of the opinion that it was going to be around 50 bucks a year which would be cool. I'm not sure if I will be able to go much over that, $100 is over my FFL budget.

12-29-2005, 06:52 AM	#22
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,215	Tell you what I will do ... I'm not sure how many gift certificates I won for high scoring, points leader & regular season conference champ in this league this year ... but I think it was at least $30.00 or $40.00 and I'll be happy to donate all of that, whatever it is, towards a trophy for the keeper league. "Lord Old Dude's Cup" has kind of a ring to it.

12-29-2005, 07:14 AM	#24
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,215	Donating a trophy is probably as close as I'd ever come to getting my name on it.