How Long Does Denver Play It's Starters? - The Orange Mane

orange crusher · 12-24-2005, 04:29 PM

Well, the Sandy Eggo game doesn't mean a whole lot now that the 2nd seed has been clinched. How long should Denver play it's starters?

I'd like to see them play a few drives and let some backups get some PT. I think it's important that the first team gets some action since it will be three weeks from today until they play a meaningful game, but I don't want them to play too long. It's a good time to get healed up.

Pezman · 12-24-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by orange crusher

Well, the Sandy Eggo game doesn't mean a whole lot now that the 2nd seed has been clinched. How long should Denver play it's starters?

I'd like to see them play a few drives and let some backups get some PT. I think it's important that the first team gets some action since it will be three weeks from today until they play a meaningful game, but I don't want them to play too long. It's a good time to get healed up.

I see heavy doses of BVP, Todd Devoe and Dayne in our game next week Crusher. There is absoluetly no point in even bothering to risk injury for a meaningless game.

ludo21 · 12-24-2005, 04:41 PM

BVP, Dayne/Bell, Devoe and Adams, and DUKE for all 4 qtrs!!!

No reason to risk em, our O is made up of veterans and the time off can only help.

CBF1 · 12-24-2005, 04:51 PM

I would say they play until the end of the 1st qtr. I will be cheering like it is the superbowl.

Cito Pelon · 12-24-2005, 04:53 PM

Always a tough call. You don't want to get your ass kicked the last game of the year by playing your 2nd-3rd stringers all game, and you don't want your 2nd-3rd stringers to get humiliated all day - they need confidence also come 2nd season.

So you have to play most of your starters for the first couple series, get your 2nd-stringers in during the 2nd Q, then work in as many guys as you can. I'd be comfortable with that scenario.

orange crusher · 12-24-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pezman

I see heavy doses of BVP, Todd Devoe and Dayne in our game next week Crusher. There is absoluetly no point in even bothering to risk injury for a meaningless game.

I agree Pez, except it would be good for the starters to get a few drives to keep their timing and rhythm. The last thing we need is to start off with the offense out of sync when the playoffs roll around. We don't play well when we get behind. There's always practice, but it just isn't the same.

Gort · 12-24-2005, 05:02 PM

philosophically, i'm opposed to resting starters during the final game of the year, the same way i am opposed to playing prevent defense in the 4th quarter when sitting on a lead. it. just. doesn't. work. it's a case of a coach being too cute and too clever for his own good. i think Denver needs to come out and play in SD next week. continue working on the passing game as they have these past 3 weeks. keep the starters fresh is ok, so long as you keep them game-ready for the playoffs. a liberal rotation of subs into the SD game is fine with me. just don't sit the starters shanny, it'll come back to bite you in the arse!!! the starters need to play a big portion of the game.

here's the other thing... Denver is going to play either NE, Jax, or Cincy at Invesco in the 2nd round. i don't want to see the Broncos starters come out flat for that game the way they opened up the season at Miami. i'm 100% convinced that the reason the Broncos got blown out by the Dolphins is that they did not come ready to play. they underestimated the opponent, they overestimated themselves (4-0 in preseason), and the starters didn't play during the last preseason game and were not yet ready for the "regular season speed" of the game. that's a bad formula and one that should not be allowed to be repeated.

Rocket 7 · 12-24-2005, 05:09 PM

I can remember back in 96 last game at Sandy Eggo. We went soft and were flat against the Jags. 97 we killed Sandy Eggo 38-3 last game of the year and it followed to the playoffs. But I can see both sides of the arguement

orange crusher · 12-24-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoIsJohnGalt

philosophically, i'm opposed to resting starters during the final game of the year, the same way i am opposed to playing prevent defense in the 4th quarter when sitting on a lead. it. just. doesn't. work. it's a case of a coach being too cute and too clever for his own good. i think Denver needs to come out and play in SD next week. continue working on the passing game as they have these past 3 weeks. keep the starters fresh is ok, so long as you keep them game-ready for the playoffs. a liberal rotation of subs into the SD game is fine with me. just don't sit the starters shanny, it'll come back to bite you in the arse!!! the starters need to play a big portion of the game.

here's the other thing... Denver is going to play either NE, Jax, or Cincy at Invesco in the 2nd round. i don't want to see the Broncos starters come out flat for that game the way they opened up the season at Miami. i'm 100% convinced that the reason the Broncos got blown out by the Dolphins is that they did not come ready to play. they underestimated the opponent, they overestimated themselves (4-0 in preseason), and the starters didn't play during the last preseason game and were not yet ready for the "regular season speed" of the game. that's a bad formula and one that should not be allowed to be repeated.

While I agree that you don't want to see them come out flat for the playoffs, everyone would be calling for Shanahan's head if Plummer or one of the other key cogs were injured in the 3rd quarter because they're still in the game. I think they play two or three drives and out.

Rocket 7 · 12-24-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dipsomaniac

I can remember back in 96 last game at Sandy Eggo. We went soft and were flat against the Jags. 97 we killed Sandy Eggo 38-3 last game of the year and it followed to the playoffs. But I can see both sides of the arguement

97 we were fighting for a home playoff game. My ommission I apologize

Gort · 12-24-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by orange crusher

While I agree that you don't want to see them come out flat for the playoffs, everyone would be calling for Shanahan's head if Plummer or one of the other key cogs were injured in the 3rd quarter because they're still in the game. I think they play two or three drives and out.

injuries happen. that's the nature of the game. what if plummer had broken a leg this week? would those same people be screaming at shanny about plummer playing in a meaningless game against Oakland?

i say you dance with the one who brought you. that's Rod, Lelie, Jake, MA, Tatum, and everyone else. if a starter is banged up and really should rest a week, then that's one thing. but resting healthy players just because it's the clever thing to do is playing with fire in my opinion.

playing SD is a good warmup for Indy and Cincy anyway, since everybody knows that SD is really the best team in the history of the universe that was denied it's rightful place in the playoffs.

all of the cards have fallen into place so that Denver has the best possible scenario to get back to the SB. i just don't want shanny to f it up.

anyone care to image what lombardi would have said if some dumb reporter asked him if he was going to rest his starters in a "meaningless" game against a division rival?

ludo21 · 12-24-2005, 05:20 PM

i think im changing my mind. Id like to see Jake out their till the half, then put in BVP for the rest of the game. Give the starters at least a half is my new found opinion.

DomCasual · 12-24-2005, 05:21 PM

Man, I just remember '96 and getting beat by Jacksonville in the playoffs - bad times! I think you play them a half. I think mentally taking the week off of practice (knowing that you aren't playing) is almost worse than missing the game time. Play them a half, and they have to stay focused all week in practice.

orange crusher · 12-24-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoIsJohnGalt

injuries happen. that's the nature of the game. what if plummer had broken a leg this week? would those same people be screaming at shanny about plummer playing in a meaningless game against Oakland?

i say you dance with the one who brought you. that's Rod, Lelie, Jake, MA, Tatum, and everyone else. if a starter is banged up and really should rest a week, then that's one thing. but resting healthy players just because it's the clever thing to do is playing with fire in my opinion.

playing SD is a good warmup for Indy and Cincy anyway, since everybody knows that SD is really the best team in the history of the universe that was denied it's rightful place in the playoffs.

How can you say that today's game was meaningless? The second seed and the first round bye was not clinched without the win. That's HUGE when the playoffs roll around. I don't think today's game and next week's games can even be compared for importance. There is NOTHING to be gained by winning next week other than momentum.

Gort · 12-24-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by orange crusher

How can you say that today's game was meaningless? The second seed and the first round bye was not clinched without the win. That's HUGE when the playoffs roll around. I don't think today's game and next week's games can even be compared for importance. There is NOTHING to be gained by winning next week other than momentum.

i don't think it was meaningless. but the knucklehead reporters on 11 and 9 (ryan chiavarini) are already calling today's game a meaningless one because SD and Cincy had lost in advance. i heard both TV stations say that the broncos came out to play even though they had nothing much to play for. i guess their take is that even if the Broncos had lost, they could still earn the #2 next week.

it's those clowns that put the pressure on shanny to rest players by asking him in the news conferences about it.

if plummer had been hurt today, it's those guys who would have bemoaned the injury in a meaningless game. that was my point.

i think today's game was meaningful as will be next week's at SD.

The Big E · 12-24-2005, 05:42 PM

I think our injured players should rest, but healthy starters should play a half, especially on offense because timing and rhythm is so important. I liked it last year when Belichick basically played all of his regulars at least 3 quarters in the last game.

That being said, I bet the offensive starters won't go more than a few series.

I am sooo stoked about the #2 seed and the upcoming playoffs.

OrangeShadow · 12-24-2005, 05:43 PM

rest em all for the whole game,we'll need health to beat indy!

BritBronco Maniac · 12-24-2005, 05:53 PM

Well, I think it should be treated like a preseason game. The FOURTH PREASON GAME!

J/K, play the starters a few seasons and then get the back-ups some experience.

Ideally we should lose the game to avoid the 13-3 curse!

ludo21 · 12-24-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BritBronco Maniac

Well, I think it should be treated like a preseason game. The FOURTH PREASON GAME!

J/K, play the starters a few seasons and then get the back-ups some experience.

Ideally we should lose the game to avoid the 13-3 curse!

here in america, we call it a SERIES

j/k bro

BritBronco Maniac · 12-24-2005, 06:00 PM

, here in the UK, we have been drinking for several hours!!

ludo21 · 12-24-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BritBronco Maniac

, here in the UK, we have been drinking for several hours!!

Ill give ya a pass then..............this time

BritBronco Maniac · 12-24-2005, 06:03 PM

Merry Christmas Ludo

ludo21 · 12-24-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BritBronco Maniac

Merry Christmas Ludo

it is Christmas over their now aint it

You too bro, only 12 hours left here till i get to break open my box. (A broncos jersey) yeah i looked, so sue me.

BritBronco Maniac · 12-24-2005, 06:08 PM

, yeah it has been Christmas for a couple of hours here. Welcomed it in with much kissing and hugging in the local night club

Bronco LB 59 · 12-24-2005, 06:10 PM

I would play the majority of starters for the first half ala the Indianapolis 3rd preseason game. Shanahan should rest guys like Sarge and Champ who are in need of rest but everybody else should play the first half. I have no problem with Plummer playing one quarter, either. Van Pelt needs to get his feet wet because Denver might need him down the road.

12-24-2005, 04:29 PM	#1
orange crusher Predominately Orange Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 2,564	How Long Does Denver Play It's Starters? Well, the Sandy Eggo game doesn't mean a whole lot now that the 2nd seed has been clinched. How long should Denver play it's starters? I'd like to see them play a few drives and let some backups get some PT. I think it's important that the first team gets some action since it will be three weeks from today until they play a meaningful game, but I don't want them to play too long. It's a good time to get healed up.

12-24-2005, 05:02 PM	#7
Gort Registered User Gort has left the building Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,648	philosophically, i'm opposed to resting starters during the final game of the year, the same way i am opposed to playing prevent defense in the 4th quarter when sitting on a lead. it. just. doesn't. work. it's a case of a coach being too cute and too clever for his own good. i think Denver needs to come out and play in SD next week. continue working on the passing game as they have these past 3 weeks. keep the starters fresh is ok, so long as you keep them game-ready for the playoffs. a liberal rotation of subs into the SD game is fine with me. just don't sit the starters shanny, it'll come back to bite you in the arse!!! the starters need to play a big portion of the game. here's the other thing... Denver is going to play either NE, Jax, or Cincy at Invesco in the 2nd round. i don't want to see the Broncos starters come out flat for that game the way they opened up the season at Miami. i'm 100% convinced that the reason the Broncos got blown out by the Dolphins is that they did not come ready to play. they underestimated the opponent, they overestimated themselves (4-0 in preseason), and the starters didn't play during the last preseason game and were not yet ready for the "regular season speed" of the game. that's a bad formula and one that should not be allowed to be repeated. Last edited by Gort; 12-24-2005 at 05:09 PM..

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12-24-2005, 04:41 PM	#3
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,973 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	BVP, Dayne/Bell, Devoe and Adams, and DUKE for all 4 qtrs!!! No reason to risk em, our O is made up of veterans and the time off can only help.

12-24-2005, 04:51 PM	#4
CBF1 Ring of Famer No avatar is the new avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,943 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Del rio	I would say they play until the end of the 1st qtr. I will be cheering like it is the superbowl.

12-24-2005, 04:53 PM	#5
Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,273 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	Always a tough call. You don't want to get your ass kicked the last game of the year by playing your 2nd-3rd stringers all game, and you don't want your 2nd-3rd stringers to get humiliated all day - they need confidence also come 2nd season. So you have to play most of your starters for the first couple series, get your 2nd-stringers in during the 2nd Q, then work in as many guys as you can. I'd be comfortable with that scenario.

12-24-2005, 05:09 PM	#8
Rocket 7 Formerly known as Dipso Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 4,725 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Smith 70	I can remember back in 96 last game at Sandy Eggo. We went soft and were flat against the Jags. 97 we killed Sandy Eggo 38-3 last game of the year and it followed to the playoffs. But I can see both sides of the arguement

12-24-2005, 05:20 PM	#12
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,973 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	i think im changing my mind. Id like to see Jake out their till the half, then put in BVP for the rest of the game. Give the starters at least a half is my new found opinion.

12-24-2005, 05:21 PM	#13
DomCasual The Dude abides. Shameless Homer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cocytus Posts: 13,208 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gus Frerotte	Man, I just remember '96 and getting beat by Jacksonville in the playoffs - bad times! I think you play them a half. I think mentally taking the week off of practice (knowing that you aren't playing) is almost worse than missing the game time. Play them a half, and they have to stay focused all week in practice.

12-24-2005, 05:42 PM	#16
The Big E Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hermosa Beach Posts: 1,910	I think our injured players should rest, but healthy starters should play a half, especially on offense because timing and rhythm is so important. I liked it last year when Belichick basically played all of his regulars at least 3 quarters in the last game. That being said, I bet the offensive starters won't go more than a few series. I am sooo stoked about the #2 seed and the upcoming playoffs.

12-24-2005, 05:43 PM	#17
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	rest em all for the whole game,we'll need health to beat indy!

12-24-2005, 05:53 PM	#18
BritBronco Maniac Realist Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Brighton, England Posts: 2,592	Well, I think it should be treated like a preseason game. The FOURTH PREASON GAME! J/K, play the starters a few seasons and then get the back-ups some experience. Ideally we should lose the game to avoid the 13-3 curse!

12-24-2005, 06:00 PM	#20
BritBronco Maniac Realist Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Brighton, England Posts: 2,592	, here in the UK, we have been drinking for several hours!!

12-24-2005, 06:03 PM	#22
BritBronco Maniac Realist Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Brighton, England Posts: 2,592	Merry Christmas Ludo

12-24-2005, 06:08 PM	#24
BritBronco Maniac Realist Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Brighton, England Posts: 2,592	, yeah it has been Christmas for a couple of hours here. Welcomed it in with much kissing and hugging in the local night club

12-24-2005, 06:10 PM	#25
Bronco LB 59 Ring of Famer Keep your head up dog Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Leucadia CA Posts: 6,068	I would play the majority of starters for the first half ala the Indianapolis 3rd preseason game. Shanahan should rest guys like Sarge and Champ who are in need of rest but everybody else should play the first half. I have no problem with Plummer playing one quarter, either. Van Pelt needs to get his feet wet because Denver might need him down the road.