New nfldraftcountdown.com mock 12/13

[Clockwork Orange]

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html

Broncos
16. Claude Wroten, DT, LSU
30. Daryn Colledge, OT, Boise State

Not a big fan of this one. Nothing against Wroten, but if Eric Winston, Michael Huff, Rodrique Wright, Tamba Hali and Darnell Bing are all available at 16, I'd much rather go with one of them. Colledge wouldn't be a bad choice, but if Winston can be had at 16, go for him and nab the best D-lineman or safety left on the board at 30.

[SoCalBronco]

Major Reaches: Jets-Leinart, Cardinals- V. Davis, Ravens-Ryans, Eagles-Holmes,
Patriots-Huff, Broncos-Colledge, Broncos-Wroten, Seahawks-Dumervil, Colts-Howard
Good Value Picks: Lions-Kiwi, Rams- Williams, Chiefs-Wright (****),Cowboys-McNeill, Bucs-Winston,
Bears-Lewis.
Head Scratchers: Browns- Maroney, Vikings- DeAngelo Williams

Most of the league screwed the pooch. Reaches all over the board. I think Lendale White would be a great fit for the Steelers. The Packers would have a great duo for the future at LB with Barnett and Hawk. CO is correct, Winston to the Buccaneers that late is a crime.

[OrangeShadow]

id love to see michael huff here

[missingnumber7]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Major Reaches: Jets-Leinart, Cardinals- V. Davis, Ravens-Ryans, Eagles-Holmes,
Patriots-Huff, Broncos-Colledge, Broncos-Wroten, Seahawks-Dumervil, Colts-Howard
Good Value Picks: Lions-Kiwi, Rams- Williams, Chiefs-Wright (****),Cowboys-McNeill, Bucs-Winston,
Bears-Lewis.
Head Scratchers: Browns- Maroney, Vikings- DeAngelo Williams

Most of the league screwed the pooch. Reaches all over the board. I think Lendale White would be a great fit for the Steelers. The Packers would have a great duo for the future at LB with Barnett and Hawk. CO is correct, Winston to the Buccaneers that late is a crime.

Thats what happens when you start talking about the draft before 1 the end of the season and 2 the combine.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Originally Posted by missingnumber7

Thats what happens when you start talking about the draft before 1 the end of the season and 2 the combine.

And a month before the underclassmen declare.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by Big Guy

And a month before the underclassmen declare.

Speaking of which, Devin Hester looks like he is reconsidering and will turn pro as well as WR Ryan Moore. Both are unhappy with their roles and feel that they would be wasting their time to stay, and I cant really blame them on that point, the staff has done a poor job of developing them in the system and the system isnt going to change. Moore would be a good gamble in the 3rd round. Moore is a tall, thick possession type WR, but has inconsistent hands.

[Jens1893]

Hester would be absolutely nuts to turn pro IMO. Having a position when you enter the draft doesn´t hurt your stock, and for me the jury is still out on Hester´s best position.

Someone is gonna reach for Hester for his athletic ability, but I wonder what could´ve been.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by Jens

Hester would be absolutely nuts to turn pro IMO. Having a position when you enter the draft doesn´t hurt your stock, and for me the jury is still out on Hester´s best position.

Someone is gonna reach for Hester for his athletic ability, but I wonder what could´ve been.

He desperately wants to turn pro. He is very frustrated. The only reason he said he was coming back a few weeks ago was because league scouts gave him a very dim report on his draft prospects, but he really doesnt want to stay. He was going to leave for sure if they just uttered the word "2nd round" but they didnt. He is very frustrated with the staff not giving him enough playing time. Some of it is himself ofcourse in not picking up the material fast enough, but I cant blame him or Ryan for thinking they would be wasting their time coming back.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by missingnumber7

Thats what happens when you start talking about the draft before 1 the end of the season and 2 the combine.

Well the season is over basically but for the bowl games. Combine doesnt matter too much. People dont run in a straight line in a game. Things like X number of reps at 225 lbs. is a shaky proxy at best for sheer strength, tackle breaking ability etc. Tater did well over 20 reps, and Q bench pressed 460 lbs. didnt do a whole lot for the power aspect of their game. Just about the only useful things at the combines are the directly football related drills like the cone-agility drills, shuttles etc. Its all about game film.

[Clockwork Orange]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Well the season is over basically but for the bowl games. Combine doesnt matter too much. People dont run in a straight line in a game. Things like X number of reps at 225 lbs. is a shaky proxy at best for sheer strength, tackle breaking ability etc. Tater did well over 20 reps, and Q bench pressed 460 lbs. didnt do a whole lot for the power aspect of their game. Just about the only useful things at the combines are the directly football related drills like the cone-agility drills, shuttles etc. Its all about game film.

Dear SoCal,

I couldn't disagree with you more. The combine is a wonderful place for teams to evaluate players and they should put all the faith in the world in what they see there.

Sincerely,
Mike Mamula

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Well the season is over basically but for the bowl games. Combine doesnt matter too much. People dont run in a straight line in a game. Things like X number of reps at 225 lbs. is a shaky proxy at best for sheer strength, tackle breaking ability etc. Tater did well over 20 reps, and Q bench pressed 460 lbs. didnt do a whole lot for the power aspect of their game. Just about the only useful things at the combines are the directly football related drills like the cone-agility drills, shuttles etc. Its all about game film.

True, but the NFL coaches are not watching those game films until after the season. The scouts are out collecting data, but the true evaluations will be in February, March and April.

[Perry1977]

Originally Posted by Jens

Hester would be absolutely nuts to turn pro IMO. Having a position when you enter the draft doesn´t hurt your stock, and for me the jury is still out on Hester´s best position.

Someone is gonna reach for Hester for his athletic ability, but I wonder what could´ve been.

Of course they will. Look at Matt Jones from last year. He was a QB drafted in the 1st round to play WR, on athletic ability and workout numbers alone.

[Broncoman13]

Originally Posted by missingnumber7

Thats what happens when you start talking about the draft before 1 the end of the season and 2 the combine.

No, that's what happens when you start handing out RB's to teams that have 3 and 4 runners already on the staff!

Why would Minn. go RB so early. They have Owhizinator. Smith coming back, plus they have Fason, Moore, and Bennett.

The Browns have their own stable with Reuben, Suggs, and Willie Green. I'm pretty sure both of those teams stay away from RB's in the first round!!!

[Broncoman13]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

He desperately wants to turn pro. He is very frustrated. The only reason he said he was coming back a few weeks ago was because league scouts gave him a very dim report on his draft prospects, but he really doesnt want to stay. He was going to leave for sure if they just uttered the word "2nd round" but they didnt. He is very frustrated with the staff not giving him enough playing time. Some of it is himself ofcourse in not picking up the material fast enough, but I cant blame him or Ryan for thinking they would be wasting their time coming back.

If he comes out I wouldn't be the least bit opposed to using a 2nd on him. We're in a position that would allow for us to develop him.

[Elway 4 Life]

Did anyone see Deangelo williams last night in the I dont give a **** bowl? This guy is pretty damn impressive. He is strong and fast.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Originally Posted by Elway 4 Life

Did anyone see Deangelo williams last night in the I dont give a **** bowl? This guy is pretty damn impressive. He is strong and fast.

With all of the talk about Bush, he might be one of the most underappreciated players out there this year. Suspect that will change as draft day nears. He could be a top 5 pick, but more likely in the 5-12 area, but maybe the Packers will grab him. I would not be shocked if this was another situation where a suprise happens and he is taken ahead of Bush, like James was taken ahead of Williams a few years back.

[Elway 4 Life]

Originally Posted by Big Guy

With all of the talk about Bush, he might be one of the most underappreciated players out there this year. Suspect that will change as draft day nears. He could be a top 5 pick, but more likely in the 5-12 area, but maybe the Packers will grab him. I would not be shocked if this was another situation where a suprise happens and he is taken ahead of Bush, like James was taken ahead of Williams a few years back.

Your right he hasnt gotten near the pub that bush has. He may be every bit as good. He impressed me last night.

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by Elway 4 Life

Your right he hasnt gotten near the pub that bush has. He may be every bit as good. He impressed me last night.

He seems to be very much a CLASS ACT, also...

[Broncoman13]

Originally Posted by Big Guy

With all of the talk about Bush, he might be one of the most underappreciated players out there this year. Suspect that will change as draft day nears. He could be a top 5 pick, but more likely in the 5-12 area, but maybe the Packers will grab him. I would not be shocked if this was another situation where a suprise happens and he is taken ahead of Bush, like James was taken ahead of Williams a few years back.

Don't be suprised to see San Fran make a draft day deal to land him a little later then the #2 or 3 pick they'll likely have. I know they have Gore, Hicks, and Barlow, but I think collectively they aren't as good as DeAngelo. I've been pimping DWill-II for about two years now. I really thought he was gonna come out last year, even after he broke his leg in the bowl game. He would have slid and would've been a GREAT pick late in the first or possibly even in the 2nd.

At any rate, I could see San Fran trading down to say # 8 or 9, picking up a few picks or a player and a pick and grabbing him there. Other teams that likely take a runner on him early on include the Cards, Packers, and Ravens.


DWill-II has a listed 40 time of 4.5 seconds. I think he'll run a bit faster in the combine and pro-day workouts, but he's not gonna be in the 4.3 range like a Ronnie Brown... but he plays faster than he times and he has a great blend of power and speed. He said yesterday that he plans to shed some weight prior to his workouts so it wouldn't be all that surpising if he worked out at the 205 range. He put on the extra pounds b/c he knew teams would put 8 in the box to stop him as he was the key vs Memphis. Interesting kid, not particularly well spoken, but his interview yesterday showed a good bit of maturity. He went to Memphis (over Ole Miss, Iowa, and Arkansas) b/c he didn't want to be compared to McAllister, Betts, or Cobbs (resp.) and wanted to set his own "mark" on the school...to which he's done. He also liked the fact that when he met the coach at Memphis (name escapes me) he was told that his performance and the way he conducted himself on and off the field would determine when and how much he played... the other schools just told him he would be able to play from day one without the accountability. To me, that shows a good bit of maturity, especially for an 18 year old kid!

[Broncoman13]

Originally Posted by Big Guy

With all of the talk about Bush, he might be one of the most underappreciated players out there this year. Suspect that will change as draft day nears. He could be a top 5 pick, but more likely in the 5-12 area, but maybe the Packers will grab him. I would not be shocked if this was another situation where a suprise happens and he is taken ahead of Bush, like James was taken ahead of Williams a few years back.

I would be VERY suprised if he was taken ahead of Bush. Infact, I'd bet my bottom dollar right now that wouldn't happen. Teams are drooling over Bush! The Texans are willing to sit Dom Davis for him. I've also heard that teams like Buffalo, Oakland, and Philly would be willing to move up for him! You're talking limiting touches to the likes of McGahee, Jordan, and Westbrook just to have Bush on your team! I can't think of a scenario that has DWill-II going before Bush. Maybe if Bush runs a 4.6 and DWill-II pulls out a 4.3, but I doubt that will happen.

BTW, don't know if anybody has noticed but some scouts are now projecting Bush's 40. Projections have been listed at the 4.28 mark. Don't know where they're getting that # (if it's spec. or a # from USC) but that's pretty damn quick!

[Broncoman13]

DeAngelo Williams
Height: 5-10 | Weight: 217 | 40-Time: 4.50

Official Bio

Strengths:
A natural and instinctive runner...Shows tremendous patience...Is built extremely well and is very strong for his size with a compact frame...Runs low to the ground and rarely lets defenders get a solid shot at him...Adept at breaking tackles and is very effective running up the middle...Is very quick with a burst...Plays faster than he times and can run away from people...Does a fine job as a receiver out of the backfield...Smart player with top intangibles who is a team leader and captain.

Weaknesses:
May have some durability questions after suffering injuries the past two seasons...Is not the biggest or fastest running back to come along in terms of measurables...Has carried the ball a lot and has some mileage on his tires...Gives good effort as a blocker but may never be great in that area...Raised some eyebrows when he chose to sit out the Tennessee game with an injury.

Notes:
One of the most productive running backs in NCAA history...Could have been a first rounder in 2005 but chose to return to school for his senior season...An all-around great runner who really lacks many glaring weaknesses...Easily the premier senior running back available in this draft...Has the ability to be a star runner in the NFL.

[Broncoman13]

Since I'm on the topic of drafts... here's a guy that I'd like to see us grab in the 3rd or 4th round (3rd round comp pick would be great!):

Kamerion Wimbley
Height: 6-4 | Weight: 255 | 40-Time: 4.65

Official Bio

Strengths:
Tremendous natural athlete...Fast and very quick with a burst...Can wreak havoc rushing the passer off the edge...Does an excellent job in pursuit and can close on the ball...Changes directions well...Very productive and stood out on a talented defense...Team player with top intangibles...Is also an excellent special teams prospect...Still developing and hasn't yet reached his full potential.

Weaknesses:
Undersized and lacks bulk...Needs to hit the weight room and get stronger...May have to change positions at the next level...Does not hold up at the point of attack...A liability against the run...Struggles to shed blockers...Is basically a one trick pony who relies solely on his speed...Needs to work on technique and make better use of his hands...May only be a situational player.

Notes:
Could be a 3-4 outside linebacker...Entered college at only 210 lbs so he has done a good job of adding weight and has the frame to get bigger still...A classic 'tweener who a team will need to find the right role for...At the very least he should excel as a situational pass rusher...Still has a lot of upside.

[Broncoman13]

Here's a guy that would be a tremendous compliment to Rod and Ash. His size makes him attractive b/c of Jakes throws. He's also very accomplished i the redzone. I'm thinking he probably goes anywhere from late in the first to midway in the second round. Can't remember who, but somebody said they'd heard he was running in the 4.45 range. IF that's the case he's a lock for the first round!

Martin Nance
Height: 6-5 | Weight: 210 | 40-Time: 4.50

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has tremendous size and a big frame...Is a major threat in the red zone...Is underrated athletically...Good leaper who knows how to go up and get the ball...Has big, strong, reliable hands...Will make the acrobatic catch...Physical and knows how to use his body...Tough player who is more than willing to go over the middle...Solid route runner...Intangibles are top notch...Very productive.

Weaknesses:
May not always play up to his timed speed...Is not very quick...Isn't an explosive athlete...Could have trouble getting separation against pro defensive backs...Probably won't be a major deep threat at the pro level...Will lose focus at times...Has missed some time due to injury...If he doesn't run well in workouts teams may downgrade his upside to that of a #2 or possession receiver.

Notes:
Had a monster season in 2003 (90 rec. for 1,498 yards and 11 touchdowns) as Ben Roethlisberger's main target...Missed most of the 2004 season with an ACL injury...Based on size, speed and production this guy has just about everything you look for and is potentially a #1 receiver at the next level.

[Elway 4 Life]

Where are you getting this info from? I've been to the website that has this about the players but cant find it now.

[SpringStein]

Originally Posted by OSKIE

Notes:
Had a monster season in 2003 (90 rec. for 1,498 yards and 11 touchdowns) as Ben Roethlisberger's main target...Missed most of the 2004 season with an ACL injury...Based on size, speed and production this guy has just about everything you look for and is potentially a #1 receiver at the next level.

Based on the Darius Watts experience, wonder if we would shy away from him.