Judge Bans Teaching Of Intelligent Design - The Orange Mane

Bronco_Beerslug · 12-20-2005, 09:41 AM

The absolutely correct decision!!

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PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - A federal judge said on Tuesday the teaching of intelligent design by Pennsylvania's Dover Area School District violated the constitutional ban on teaching religion in public schools.

Judge John Jones, in a 139-page ruling, said, "The defendant's ID (intelligent design) policy violates the establishment clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States."

Jones banned the school district from any future implementation of the policy in Dover schools.

The district was sued by a group of 11 parents who claimed the intelligent design policy was unconstitutional and unscientific and had no place in science classrooms.
http://tinyurl.com/boqwx

TheDave · 12-20-2005, 09:43 AM

Amen... (yes, irony intended)

Spider · 12-20-2005, 09:48 AM

I dont know ........ ID shouldnt replace science ,but if someone in School wants to study it , let em make it an elective course, asa tax payer I wouldnt mind , ........ Just dont force all students to study ID ...... Banning is a bad move

alkemical · 12-20-2005, 09:51 AM

We should have an ID course that includes all the religions. Christian/Jewish, Hindu, et al - I think we should have the guy that Played Skinner on the xfiles teach it, or the cancer man.

TheDave · 12-20-2005, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

I dont know ........ ID shouldnt replace science ,but if someone in School wants to study it , let em make it an elective course, asa tax payer I wouldnt mind , ........ Just dont force all students to study ID ...... Banning is a bad move

Oddly i don't think you could fill a whole semester with it... After god created man in his own image, I'm not sure what comes next

Spider · 12-20-2005, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

Oddly i don't think you could fill a whole semester with it... After god created man in his own image, I'm not sure what comes next

Thats easy .God Created man , Saw Man was having agood time , God Said Man is way to happy , so God Created woman..... This burdened the man ,but Man Adjusted , god said Let there be Mother in laws ... and the rest they say is history

TheDave · 12-20-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

Thats easy .God Created man , Saw Man was having agood time , God Said Man is way to happy , so God Created woman..... This burdened the man ,but Man Adjusted , god said Let there be Mother in laws ... and the rest they say is history

wonder how high the suicide rate goes up after that "happy" class

Spider · 12-20-2005, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

wonder how high the suicide rate goes up after that "happy" class

dont know , but I do know the mother in law zap god gave us has been very effective

Bronco_Beerslug · 12-20-2005, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

I dont know ........ ID shouldnt replace science ,but if someone in School wants to study it , let em make it an elective course, asa tax payer I wouldnt mind , ........ Just dont force all students to study ID ...... Banning is a bad move

Isn't banned as an elective but rightly so as science, biology.

Garcia Bronco · 12-20-2005, 10:16 AM

While ID is completely stupid as a "Science"....I don't think a judge should be making these kind of decisions.

Bronco_Beerslug · 12-20-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

While ID is completely stupid as a "Science"....I don't think a judge should be making these kind of decisions.

Yeah, maybe congress should stick their noses in it and decide.

Garcia Bronco · 12-20-2005, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Yeah, maybe congress should stick their noses in it and decide.

Well that's my point....let the community decide via the vote.

alkemical · 12-20-2005, 10:33 AM

Or we can just wait for the flood?

Bronco_Beerslug · 12-20-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Well that's my point....let the community decide via the vote.

They did. They outed 11 of 12 of the reigious radicals on the school board and the judge reaffirmed the constitution of the United States.

Garcia Bronco · 12-20-2005, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

They did. They outed 11 of 12 of the reigious radicals on the school board and the judge reaffirmed the constitution of the United States.

I was thinking more along the lines of putting the actual issue to the voters for a vote, but you're correct.

defenseman · 12-20-2005, 11:21 AM

Make it an elective. If the "11" parents don't want their kids hearing it, thats fine, don't take the course. Banning is not the answer. Like it or not, religion as well as hard sciences has it's place with respect to education, but, it cannot be "forced" or made required material. Religions of all types have had a very significant impact on the country and the world. ie....the jews and the muslims have been going at it for how long? How many wars? Political conflicts? Geography changing ideals? Some of us , may learn from their shortcomings in particular, let alone our own. And religion has had it's share of toe-stubbers just like the politicians, governments and corporations of the world..dman

Rascal · 12-20-2005, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I was thinking more along the lines of putting the actual issue to the voters for a vote, but you're correct.

Putting it to a nationwide vote is the last thing the democrats want.

Bronco_Beerslug · 12-20-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by defenseman

Make it an elective. If the "11" parents don't want their kids hearing it, thats fine, don't take the course. Banning is not the answer. Like it or not, religion as well as hard sciences has it's place with respect to education, but, it cannot be "forced" or made required material. Religions of all types have had a very significant impact on the country and the world. ie....the jews and the muslims have been going at it for how long? How many wars? Political conflicts? Geography changing ideals? Some of us , may learn from their shortcomings in particular, let alone our own. And religion has had it's share of toe-stubbers just like the politicians, governments and corporations of the world..dman

It was not banned from school, only science and biology classes as it should be.

defenseman · 12-20-2005, 11:28 AM

If it were put to a "no-kidding" nationwide vote, ALL and I do mean ALL schools would have it in their curriculum in some way shape or form...dman

*The extremists need to be careful what they wish for, they just might get it, at their detriment I might add.

TheDave · 12-20-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

Putting it to a nationwide vote is the last thing the democrats want.

actually it's the last thing us science teachers want... last poll i saw showed 60%+ believed in some form of ID or other creation myth over evolution.

Rascal · 12-20-2005, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

actually it's the last thing us science teachers want... last poll i saw showed 60%+ believed in some form of ID or other creation myth over evolution.

Hence the reason the dems don't want.

The teachers will teach what they are told to teach...no offense. You guys get screwed so often already one more time won't matter.

If it is going to be taught it should be done so as a philosophy class or religious class (an elective).

Bronco_Beerslug · 12-20-2005, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

actually it's the last thing us science teachers want... last poll i saw showed 60%+ believed in some form of ID or other creation myth over evolution.

That may be but out of those numbers a large percentage don't want it forced as required curriculum.

Rascal · 12-20-2005, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

That may be but out of those numbers a large percentage don't want it forced as required curriculum.

link?

alkemical · 12-20-2005, 11:36 AM

What about including the hindu creation?

Rascal · 12-20-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by amesj523

What about including the hindu creation?

they are just nuts

12-20-2005, 09:41 AM	#1
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	Judge Bans Teaching Of Intelligent Design The absolutely correct decision!! ------------------------------------------------ PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - A federal judge said on Tuesday the teaching of intelligent design by Pennsylvania's Dover Area School District violated the constitutional ban on teaching religion in public schools. Judge John Jones, in a 139-page ruling, said, "The defendant's ID (intelligent design) policy violates the establishment clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States." Jones banned the school district from any future implementation of the policy in Dover schools. The district was sued by a group of 11 parents who claimed the intelligent design policy was unconstitutional and unscientific and had no place in science classrooms. http://tinyurl.com/boqwx

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12-20-2005, 09:43 AM	#2
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	Amen... (yes, irony intended)

12-20-2005, 09:48 AM	#3
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I dont know ........ ID shouldnt replace science ,but if someone in School wants to study it , let em make it an elective course, asa tax payer I wouldnt mind , ........ Just dont force all students to study ID ...... Banning is a bad move

12-20-2005, 09:51 AM	#4
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	We should have an ID course that includes all the religions. Christian/Jewish, Hindu, et al - I think we should have the guy that Played Skinner on the xfiles teach it, or the cancer man.

12-20-2005, 10:16 AM	#10
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 46,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	While ID is completely stupid as a "Science"....I don't think a judge should be making these kind of decisions.

12-20-2005, 10:33 AM	#13
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	Or we can just wait for the flood?

12-20-2005, 11:21 AM	#16
defenseman Ring of Famer 2007 record pred. (7-9) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,232	Make it an elective. If the "11" parents don't want their kids hearing it, thats fine, don't take the course. Banning is not the answer. Like it or not, religion as well as hard sciences has it's place with respect to education, but, it cannot be "forced" or made required material. Religions of all types have had a very significant impact on the country and the world. ie....the jews and the muslims have been going at it for how long? How many wars? Political conflicts? Geography changing ideals? Some of us , may learn from their shortcomings in particular, let alone our own. And religion has had it's share of toe-stubbers just like the politicians, governments and corporations of the world..dman

12-20-2005, 11:28 AM	#19
defenseman Ring of Famer 2007 record pred. (7-9) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,232	If it were put to a "no-kidding" nationwide vote, ALL and I do mean ALL schools would have it in their curriculum in some way shape or form...dman *The extremists need to be careful what they wish for, they just might get it, at their detriment I might add.

12-20-2005, 11:36 AM	#24
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	What about including the hindu creation?