Rule Change - The Orange Mane

Rascal · 12-12-2005, 07:27 PM

I think the NFL needs to change the rule about the end zone line being infinite. IMO the ball must cross inside the pylon to be considered a TD. Looking at Vick's TD in the monday night game would be an example of why the rule needs to be changed. The guy extends his arm across the pylon, but the ball is outside of the pylon, and they give him a TD. That is ludicrous IMO.

Excuse my rant.

Archie · 12-12-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

I think the NFL needs to change the rule about the end zone line being infinite. IMO the ball must cross inside the pylon to be considered a TD. Looking at Vick's TD in the monday night game would be an example of why the rule needs to be changed. The guy extends his arm across the pylon, but the ball is outside of the pylon, and they give him a TD. That is ludicrous IMO.

Excuse my rant.

The pylon is in the endzone and if any part of the ball breaks the plane of the endzone it's a TD. But, if it is really outside the pylon it should not be a TD. I didn't see this touchdown but sounds like a bad call vs. a rule change.

DrFate · 12-12-2005, 07:31 PM

Agreed. I didn't know that was the rule until Al Michaels said so, and I've been watching the NFL for 20+ years.

Rascal · 12-12-2005, 07:37 PM

I've read the rule before somewhere but don't remember where. It was the correct call, I just think it is a bad rule and needs to be changed.

watermock · 12-12-2005, 07:38 PM

the funny thing was these idiots were saying if any part of your body crosses the goal line, it's a TD...THE BALL HAS TO...do they have a moron farm at Disney?

Rascal · 12-12-2005, 07:39 PM

The ball crossed the infinite end zone line outside of the pylon, but since his hand (part of his body) crossed the pylon (went inside the pylon) then it's a touchdown and that is exactly as the ref stated it.

Rascal · 12-12-2005, 07:40 PM

No mock the ball does not have to...the ball can cross the goal line out of bounds basically and it will be a touchdown provided that part of the body crosses the goal line in bounds.

watermock · 12-12-2005, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

I've read the rule before somewhere but don't remember where. It was the correct call, I just think it is a bad rule and needs to be changed.

The Pylon is in the endzone...I love it when people want something changed and give zero reason...ball hit's the pylon it's in...period...you don't have to clear the goal line, only touch it.

Broncoman13 · 12-12-2005, 07:45 PM

I used to think that the endzone extended indef. as well. But then they said on that play that his right hand was touching the ball and was inside the pylon...as if that made some sort of difference??

watermock · 12-12-2005, 07:48 PM

The ball has to break the plane of the line....these announcers are idiots....

Broncoman13 · 12-12-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by watermock

The ball has to break the plane of the line....these announcers are idiots....

So you have something in common with them I see...

bronco610 · 12-12-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

No mock the ball does not have to...the ball can cross the goal line out of bounds basically and it will be a touchdown provided that part of the body crosses the goal line in bounds.

That is the correct answer.

REB · 12-12-2005, 08:07 PM

Yea Rascal I saw it to and I was thinking no way that's a TD. The ball should have to cross the pylon or touch it for it to be a TD. The ball was outside the pylon. Stupid rule unless it was to sometime go in the Broncos favor of course.

watermock · 12-12-2005, 08:09 PM

All of the pylon is in bounds, it doens't matter where you touch it...

The point is the idiots said if the BODY was across it was a TD that's wrong...if you step out on a return that's totally different...

You step past the line and your tackled while the ball is still in the end zone, that's a safety...

bronco610 · 12-12-2005, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by REB

Yea Rascal I saw it to and I was thinking no way that's a TD. The ball should have to cross the pylon or touch it for it to be a TD. The ball was outside the pylon. Stupid rule unless it was to sometime go in the Broncos favor of course.

AMEN

Play2win · 12-12-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

I think the NFL needs to change the rule about the end zone line being infinite. IMO the ball must cross inside the pylon to be considered a TD. Looking at Vick's TD in the monday night game would be an example of why the rule needs to be changed. The guy extends his arm across the pylon, but the ball is outside of the pylon, and they give him a TD. That is ludicrous IMO.

Excuse my rant.

That is just a ridiculous rule. Its not football, and frankly, its Un-American. The Ball has to cross inside the pylon. Its been burnt into my brain since I first started watching football. Its one of the founding principles of Football. When I saw that, not heard- because my TV was on MUTE, I ABOUT GAVE BIRTH TO A QWEEFS FAN IN MY PANTS!!!

Fully ridiculous, but in today's NFL, nothing surprises me. Safeties can't hit, A fumble's not a fumble, you can fumble the ball forward OUT OF THE ENDZONE and its NOT a SAFETY (even with holding on the same play), so, HELL, why not, Pylons don't matter. Why do we even have them?!?

Oh, yeah, So Chad Johnson can PRETEND to be Tiger Woods...

Oh, yeah, and Excuse my RANT, too (it must be contagious...)

watermock · 12-12-2005, 08:15 PM

Wrong...all of the pylon is inbounds

only part of the ball has to cross the line...so even if you graze the outside, part of the ball was inside...jesus...how many times do i have to explain this? The BALL ONLY HAS TO TOUCH THE END ZONE AND THE PYLON IS INSIDE THE END ZONE...

The idiot announcer that said that any part of the body inside the endzone was wrong tho...

The Big E · 12-12-2005, 08:15 PM

It was the correct call and one I'd never heard of before. I don't like the rule and I think they should make the ball cross the goal line inside or on the pylon, not goal line extended.

watermock · 12-12-2005, 08:25 PM

I'm not going to explain it again...the pylon is part of the goal line...damn...if you touch it, part of the ball hit the goal line inbounds...part of the ball hit the goal line in bounds...for the last time, you don't have to cross the goal line, only touch it...WITH THE FOOTBALL...

REB · 12-12-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Play2Win

That is just a ridiculous rule. Its not football, and frankly, its Un-American. The Ball has to cross inside the pylon. Its been burnt into my brain since I first started watching football. Its one of the founding principles of Football. When I saw that, not heard- because my TV was on MUTE, I ABOUT GAVE BIRTH TO A QWEEFS FAN IN MY PANTS!!!

Fully ridiculous, but in today's NFL, nothing surprises me. Safeties can't hit, A fumble's not a fumble, you can fumble the ball forward OUT OF THE ENDZONE and its NOT a SAFETY (even with holding on the same play), so, HELL, why not, Pylons don't matter. Why do we even have them?!?

Oh, yeah, So Chad Johnson can PRETEND to be Tiger Woods...

Oh, yeah, and Excuse my RANT, too (it must be contagious...)

Nice rant and I agree

scorpio · 12-12-2005, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by watermock

I'm not going to explain it again...the pylon is part of the goal line...damn...if you touch it, part of the ball hit the goal line inbounds...part of the ball hit the goal line in bounds...for the last time, you don't have to cross the goal line, only touch it...WITH THE FOOTBALL...

I don't think you understand.

The Big E · 12-12-2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by watermock

I'm not going to explain it again...the pylon is part of the goal line...damn...if you touch it, part of the ball hit the goal line inbounds...part of the ball hit the goal line in bounds...for the last time, you don't have to cross the goal line, only touch it...WITH THE FOOTBALL...

Have another drink. Everyone else understands but either you are incapable of articulating it, or you don' understand it.

Play2win · 12-12-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by REB

Nice rant and I agree

watermock · 12-12-2005, 08:37 PM

What part of this can't you understand...any part of the ball that touches the line is a score...never mind...you go grow a brain...the ball doesn't have to literally "break the goal line" ...all it has to do is touch is you dimwit....

The rule has always been the same...it's part of the goaline...if it breaks "the plane" it's a score...so if your in bounds or even flying out but hit the pylon, it's a clear score...so biatch about the rule all you want...it's been this way for decades...I get tired of little girls trying to interpret rules...your clueless...

Eli_Cash · 12-12-2005, 08:40 PM

31. Touchdown: When any part of the ball, legally in possession of a player inbounds, breaks the plane of the opponent’s goal line, provided it is not a touchback.

http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/definitions

12-12-2005, 07:27 PM	#1
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Rule Change I think the NFL needs to change the rule about the end zone line being infinite. IMO the ball must cross inside the pylon to be considered a TD. Looking at Vick's TD in the monday night game would be an example of why the rule needs to be changed. The guy extends his arm across the pylon, but the ball is outside of the pylon, and they give him a TD. That is ludicrous IMO. Excuse my rant.

12-12-2005, 08:09 PM	#14
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	All of the pylon is in bounds, it doens't matter where you touch it... The point is the idiots said if the BODY was across it was a TD that's wrong...if you step out on a return that's totally different... You step past the line and your tackled while the ball is still in the end zone, that's a safety... Last edited by watermock; 12-12-2005 at 08:12 PM..

12-12-2005, 08:15 PM	#17
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Wrong...all of the pylon is inbounds only part of the ball has to cross the line...so even if you graze the outside, part of the ball was inside...jesus...how many times do i have to explain this? The BALL ONLY HAS TO TOUCH THE END ZONE AND THE PYLON IS INSIDE THE END ZONE... The idiot announcer that said that any part of the body inside the endzone was wrong tho... Last edited by watermock; 12-12-2005 at 08:22 PM..

12-12-2005, 08:25 PM	#19
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	I'm not going to explain it again...the pylon is part of the goal line...damn...if you touch it, part of the ball hit the goal line inbounds...part of the ball hit the goal line in bounds...for the last time, you don't have to cross the goal line, only touch it...WITH THE FOOTBALL... Last edited by watermock; 12-12-2005 at 08:27 PM..

12-12-2005, 08:37 PM	#24
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	What part of this can't you understand...any part of the ball that touches the line is a score...never mind...you go grow a brain...the ball doesn't have to literally "break the goal line" ...all it has to do is touch is you dimwit.... The rule has always been the same...it's part of the goaline...if it breaks "the plane" it's a score...so if your in bounds or even flying out but hit the pylon, it's a clear score...so biatch about the rule all you want...it's been this way for decades...I get tired of little girls trying to interpret rules...your clueless... Last edited by watermock; 12-12-2005 at 08:41 PM..

12-12-2005, 07:31 PM	#3
DrFate Lord of Order Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tower of Fate Posts: 4,388	Agreed. I didn't know that was the rule until Al Michaels said so, and I've been watching the NFL for 20+ years.

12-12-2005, 07:37 PM	#4
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	I've read the rule before somewhere but don't remember where. It was the correct call, I just think it is a bad rule and needs to be changed.

12-12-2005, 07:38 PM	#5
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	the funny thing was these idiots were saying if any part of your body crosses the goal line, it's a TD...THE BALL HAS TO...do they have a moron farm at Disney?

12-12-2005, 07:39 PM	#6
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	The ball crossed the infinite end zone line outside of the pylon, but since his hand (part of his body) crossed the pylon (went inside the pylon) then it's a touchdown and that is exactly as the ref stated it.

12-12-2005, 07:40 PM	#7
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	No mock the ball does not have to...the ball can cross the goal line out of bounds basically and it will be a touchdown provided that part of the body crosses the goal line in bounds.

12-12-2005, 07:45 PM	#9
Broncoman13 Broncoholic JT #80 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 16,962 Adopt-a-Bronco: Orange Julius	I used to think that the endzone extended indef. as well. But then they said on that play that his right hand was touching the ball and was inside the pylon...as if that made some sort of difference??

12-12-2005, 07:48 PM	#10
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	The ball has to break the plane of the line....these announcers are idiots....

12-12-2005, 08:07 PM	#13
REB LP.org/L4L.org "This one's for John!" 3:16 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: 'I guess he'd rather be in Colorado' Posts: 8,723	Yea Rascal I saw it to and I was thinking no way that's a TD. The ball should have to cross the pylon or touch it for it to be a TD. The ball was outside the pylon. Stupid rule unless it was to sometime go in the Broncos favor of course.

12-12-2005, 08:15 PM	#18
The Big E Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hermosa Beach Posts: 1,910	It was the correct call and one I'd never heard of before. I don't like the rule and I think they should make the ball cross the goal line inside or on the pylon, not goal line extended.

12-12-2005, 08:40 PM	#25
Eli_Cash Deep Circus Boognish Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Posts: 206	31. Touchdown: When any part of the ball, legally in possession of a player inbounds, breaks the plane of the opponent’s goal line, provided it is not a touchback. http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/definitions

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