I agree, Mediator - Off coverage sucks - The Orange Mane

Kaylore · 12-12-2005, 12:14 AM

We're well into the season and Bob Slowik's scheme is what has kept opponents in the game and I believe allowed teams to score on us at will in their two-minute drills. I am sick of seeing a corner playy off the receiver ten yards and then watch as the QB spins and immediately throws a three yard completion to their receiver who runs for four more. Its getting pretty old and I'm hoping someone in the press asks about this in Shanahan's next press conference.

ozomulsion · 12-12-2005, 12:18 AM

Good post, I'm baffled and sickened at the same time. I don't understand, I really don't.

CUBuffman08 · 12-12-2005, 12:20 AM

I agree 100% and I noticed the plays we were playing up on the receivers we tended to have better coverage that lasted until the line could pressure Boller. As I recall, the fumble was a play with all our DB's right on the receivers

Popps · 12-12-2005, 12:36 AM

Add to that our horrible pass-rush. 2 sacks in the last 3 games. We hardly sniffed Boller today. None against Green last week. (Not even close)

I don't know how you fix something like that at this point in the season. You can't just suddenly get talented up front. I like the new guys, but we've got too many pretty good players and not enough dominant ones up front.

Let's hope we can get creative with our blitzing come playoff time.

Same old, same old.

Kaylore · 12-12-2005, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Add to that our horrible pass-rush. 2 sacks in the last 3 games. We hardly sniffed Boller today. .

Yeah. The guys get a little penetration and then they fall down or give up. There were plays today where the D-linemen didn't realize Boller hadn't thrown the ball and then had to "start rushing again". It was ugly. The best I can say is that our team, outside of Plummer, played to C level game in all three phases. We were flat.

Eli_Cash · 12-12-2005, 12:42 AM

Great post.

At this point I'd be happy with 7 yards off the ball.

It's almost like they think they will be penalized for standing an inch closer

Odysseus · 12-12-2005, 01:18 AM

I couldn't see the game but I caught a glimpse of Boller falling down and not a single Bronco jersey in sight? WTF happened to our DL?

Blart · 12-12-2005, 01:23 AM

It's easier to notice when you're at the game just how far away our DBs are lining up.

fontaine · 12-12-2005, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

We're well into the season and Bob Slowik's scheme is what has kept opponents in the game and I believe allowed teams to score on us at will in their two-minute drills. I am sick of seeing a corner playy off the receiver ten yards and then watch as the QB spins and immediately throws a three yard completion to their receiver who runs for four more. Its getting pretty old and I'm hoping someone in the press asks about this in Shanahan's next press conference.

Well, I don't think they're doing it by choice. You would be very hard pressed to find any D-Coordinator willing to put rookies in press coverage, especially with our safeties and how often we use Lynch in the box.

Oh, and that int last week off Green was the exact play you're mentioning above where he took the snap and threw an immediate pass to a WR covered by Dwill (i think) who was playing off but still managed to use his speed and explosiveness to grab the int. Just mentioning the good with the bad I guess.

Kaylore · 12-12-2005, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Blart

It's easier to notice when you're at the game just how far away our DBs are lining up.

I don't know about that. When I can't even see the corners on the screen becuase they are so far upfield I begin to wonder if we only have nine or ten defenders on the field.

meangene · 12-12-2005, 03:35 AM

What really pisses me off is when we play off in all out blitzes or third and short. It's like one aspect of our defense doesn't know what the other is doing. Or we run those damn delayed blitzes. I don't know why we are just not more aggressive all the way around. We are not getting pressure with our front four and need to blitz more oftern. The defense is built on speed - why not use it?

watermock · 12-12-2005, 03:58 AM

Your way too calm and measured Khan..you should demand more risks from our team...

Khan, your such a pacifist, sometimes it gets on my nerves...

watermock · 12-12-2005, 04:01 AM

I just hope they bring in an oriental massager to help D-Will and WTF...give him a happy ending...

Play2win · 12-12-2005, 04:32 AM

Yeah, it was extremely noticeable with Mark Clayton, Who I really, really wanted to be a Bronco! That guy is going to be good. If he was anywhere else but Baltimore he would already be making an immediate impact...

As far as Slowik goes, I still would much rather have him than Gibbs. I think The Scheme does have to change, but look at what we are working with, rookies and Lynch, god bless him, but we don't have that coverage safety that you kind of really need in today's NFL.

Also not mentioned is How many TURNOVERS we have this year (compared to last), at least a little bit of that has to do with scheme. So, we have to give the coordinators some props on that. And wasn't that the big b**** everyone had last year?

OrangeShadow · 12-12-2005, 04:33 AM

well i think its helpful in one respect.
it allows the DBs to play the ball more resulting in more INTS. sure we give up more yards but our turnover ratio is much improved.

SteveTensi13 · 12-12-2005, 04:40 AM

Based on the D's performance yesterday, I fear what will happen when we face the Colts or the Bengals. The entire team has played sub-par for three straight games, just bumbling through. We're lucky to be 2-1 in those games!

OrangeShadow · 12-12-2005, 04:42 AM

when you play indy you HAVE to play up and hit the wrs in the mouth within 5 yards. if you dont your going to have a long day.

Mile High Shack · 12-12-2005, 06:14 AM

like I have been saying

if I was an o-coordinator against us

I'd run 4 yard hitch routes all game long

our pass defense sucks b/c our dline can't create any pressure, then you add in the fact we play 10 yards off the damn ball it seems

yavoon · 12-12-2005, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeShadow

when you play indy you HAVE to play up and hit the wrs in the mouth within 5 yards. if you dont your going to have a long day.

yah pretty much u beat indy by hitting them. hit their receivers, hit payton, hit edge, hell might as well try to hit dungy too I hear he can't call as good of a game after he's been speared!

yavoon · 12-12-2005, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

like I have been saying

if I was an o-coordinator against us

I'd run 4 yard hitch routes all game long

our pass defense sucks b/c our dline can't create any pressure, then you add in the fact we play 10 yards off the damn ball it seems

so is the browncos still a mastermind move?

Ratboy · 12-12-2005, 06:23 AM

Coyer sucks.

Mile High Shack · 12-12-2005, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratboy

Coyer sucks.

something isn't clicking with him

that is for sure

bronco militia · 12-12-2005, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

We're well into the season and Bob Slowik's scheme is what has kept opponents in the game and I believe allowed teams to score on us at will in their two-minute drills. I am sick of seeing a corner playy off the receiver ten yards and then watch as the QB spins and immediately throws a three yard completion to their receiver who runs for four more. Its getting pretty old and I'm hoping someone in the press asks about this in Shanahan's next press conference.

what else can they do?....last week, Foxworth was getting burned in man on man coverage.

bottom line:....get some more pressure on the QB.

terry251973 · 12-12-2005, 06:58 AM

maybe hes playing our dbs off the receivers too much because he knows our dline isnt getting pressure and wants to guard against letting a guy go deep on us since qb is gonna have plenty of time to throw.either way its not gonna be good for us.

Rascal · 12-12-2005, 07:06 AM

Shack and I were yelling at the TV almost the entire game. We made freaking Kyle Boller look like an decent NFL QB. Sure he threw the INT's but how he completed some easy passes against us.

Playing 8 yards back is inexusable..sure you were protecting the rookies earlier in the year but they aren't rookies anymore plus that doesn't explain Champ playing so far off.

Our pass rush has been simply non-existant. I fear us facing a good passing team in the playoffs...it could be an early exit.

12-12-2005, 12:14 AM	#1
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,008 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	I agree, Mediator - Off coverage sucks We're well into the season and Bob Slowik's scheme is what has kept opponents in the game and I believe allowed teams to score on us at will in their two-minute drills. I am sick of seeing a corner playy off the receiver ten yards and then watch as the QB spins and immediately throws a three yard completion to their receiver who runs for four more. Its getting pretty old and I'm hoping someone in the press asks about this in Shanahan's next press conference.

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12-12-2005, 12:18 AM	#2
ozomulsion Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,596 Adopt-a-Bronco: The ladies man.	Good post, I'm baffled and sickened at the same time. I don't understand, I really don't.

12-12-2005, 12:20 AM	#3
CUBuffman08 Seasoned Veteran Stampede Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Boulder Posts: 304	I agree 100% and I noticed the plays we were playing up on the receivers we tended to have better coverage that lasted until the line could pressure Boller. As I recall, the fumble was a play with all our DB's right on the receivers

12-12-2005, 12:36 AM	#4
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	Add to that our horrible pass-rush. 2 sacks in the last 3 games. We hardly sniffed Boller today. None against Green last week. (Not even close) I don't know how you fix something like that at this point in the season. You can't just suddenly get talented up front. I like the new guys, but we've got too many pretty good players and not enough dominant ones up front. Let's hope we can get creative with our blitzing come playoff time. Same old, same old.

12-12-2005, 12:42 AM	#6
Eli_Cash Deep Circus Boognish Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Posts: 206	Great post. At this point I'd be happy with 7 yards off the ball. It's almost like they think they will be penalized for standing an inch closer

12-12-2005, 01:18 AM	#7
Odysseus Fan of the home team Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Durango, Colorado Posts: 12,107 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mark Schlereth	I couldn't see the game but I caught a glimpse of Boller falling down and not a single Bronco jersey in sight? WTF happened to our DL?

12-12-2005, 01:23 AM	#8
Blart I'm gay for the Broncos! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2,588 Adopt-a-Bronco: All @ same time	It's easier to notice when you're at the game just how far away our DBs are lining up.

12-12-2005, 03:35 AM	#11
meangene Ring of Famer Offseason Mode Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,075	What really pisses me off is when we play off in all out blitzes or third and short. It's like one aspect of our defense doesn't know what the other is doing. Or we run those damn delayed blitzes. I don't know why we are just not more aggressive all the way around. We are not getting pressure with our front four and need to blitz more oftern. The defense is built on speed - why not use it?

12-12-2005, 03:58 AM	#12
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Your way too calm and measured Khan..you should demand more risks from our team... Khan, your such a pacifist, sometimes it gets on my nerves...

12-12-2005, 04:01 AM	#13
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	I just hope they bring in an oriental massager to help D-Will and WTF...give him a happy ending...

12-12-2005, 04:32 AM	#14
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,610 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	Yeah, it was extremely noticeable with Mark Clayton, Who I really, really wanted to be a Bronco! That guy is going to be good. If he was anywhere else but Baltimore he would already be making an immediate impact... As far as Slowik goes, I still would much rather have him than Gibbs. I think The Scheme does have to change, but look at what we are working with, rookies and Lynch, god bless him, but we don't have that coverage safety that you kind of really need in today's NFL. Also not mentioned is How many TURNOVERS we have this year (compared to last), at least a little bit of that has to do with scheme. So, we have to give the coordinators some props on that. And wasn't that the big b**** everyone had last year?

12-12-2005, 04:33 AM	#15
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	well i think its helpful in one respect. it allows the DBs to play the ball more resulting in more INTS. sure we give up more yards but our turnover ratio is much improved.

12-12-2005, 04:40 AM	#16
SteveTensi13 GIVE ME SOME MORE ORANGE OLD SCHOOL BRONCO Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Helmand province, Afghanistan Posts: 1,830 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brandon Stokley	Based on the D's performance yesterday, I fear what will happen when we face the Colts or the Bengals. The entire team has played sub-par for three straight games, just bumbling through. We're lucky to be 2-1 in those games!

12-12-2005, 04:42 AM	#17
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	when you play indy you HAVE to play up and hit the wrs in the mouth within 5 yards. if you dont your going to have a long day.

12-12-2005, 06:14 AM	#18
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	like I have been saying if I was an o-coordinator against us I'd run 4 yard hitch routes all game long our pass defense sucks b/c our dline can't create any pressure, then you add in the fact we play 10 yards off the damn ball it seems

12-12-2005, 06:23 AM	#21
Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,274	Coyer sucks.

12-12-2005, 06:58 AM	#24
terry251973 Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,048	maybe hes playing our dbs off the receivers too much because he knows our dline isnt getting pressure and wants to guard against letting a guy go deep on us since qb is gonna have plenty of time to throw.either way its not gonna be good for us.

12-12-2005, 07:06 AM	#25
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Shack and I were yelling at the TV almost the entire game. We made freaking Kyle Boller look like an decent NFL QB. Sure he threw the INT's but how he completed some easy passes against us. Playing 8 yards back is inexusable..sure you were protecting the rookies earlier in the year but they aren't rookies anymore plus that doesn't explain Champ playing so far off. Our pass rush has been simply non-existant. I fear us facing a good passing team in the playoffs...it could be an early exit.