Bush rejects pullout timetable - The Orange Mane

gunns · 12-09-2005, 04:57 PM

Yep, not his two little girls over there. Sure would send the wrong message to our troops....and their families.....they might start thinking he'd developed some common sense. And what exactly is that strategy? Are we using it yet?

Bush rejects Iraq timetable, Republicans assail critics By Patricia Wilson
Fri Dec 9, 2:31 PM ET

MINNEAPOLIS (Reuters) - President George W. Bush on Friday forcefully rejected a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq as his Republican Party assailed Democratic critics with an ad using the white flag of surrender.

"There are some who are arguing for a fixed timetable of withdrawal, I think it's a wrong policy," Bush said. "A fixed timetable of withdrawal would embolden the enemy, would confuse the Iraqis and would send the wrong signal to our young men and women in uniform."

In Minneapolis, Bush raised about $1 million for Rep. Mark Kennedy (news, bio, voting record)'s bid for an open Minnesota seat in the U.S. Senate next year. Despite his poor poll numbers, Bush plans to campaign actively next year for Republicans trying to maintain their grip on the U.S. Congress.

White House spokesman Trent Duffy called Bush's appearance for Kennedy "proof positive that Republicans not only want the president to campaign on their behalf but are happy to welcome him to their states."

Trying to portray Democrats as the party of retreat from Iraq, the Republican National Committee released an Internet ad with white flags of surrender waving over images of Democratic Party chief Howard Dean and Democratic Sens. John Kerry of Massachusetts and Barbara Boxer of California.

As the advertisement ends, the back of an American soldier with a weapon slung over his shoulder can be seen watching television images of the Democrats and the screen reads: "Our Country Is At War. Our Soldiers Are Watching and Our Enemies Are Too. Message To Democrats: Retreat And Defeat Is Not an Option."

"We have got a strategy for victory and we will see that strategy through," Bush said.

Democrats in Congress and some Republicans have questioned the war's origins and progress. Public opinion polls show a majority of Americans souring on the 2003 invasion as the death toll among U.S. troops passed 2,000 and the monthly cost rose to about $6 billion.

Democrats have offered a range of ideas on Iraq, from quick withdrawal of troops to a gradual drawdown to Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman (news, bio, voting record)'s backing of Bush.

Dean was attacked by Bush and Republicans earlier this week for telling a Texas radio station that "the idea we're going to win this war is an idea that unfortunately is plain wrong."

He said later the quote was taken out of context but added that Democrats were beginning to coalesce around a concept of strategic redeployment in Iraq. That plan would gradually phase out most U.S. troops over the next two years, withdraw them from urban areas and bring home National Guard forces within six months.

Bush is on the offensive to reverse a months-long slide in public support for the war and counter critics who say he lacks a winning strategy in Iraq. On Monday in his third speech on Iraq ahead of next Thursday's elections, he will talk about the political track.

The president's approval rating crept up last month as Americans grew more positive about the economy, according to a New York Times/CBS News survey released on Wednesday. But a majority maintained lingering doubts about the war in Iraq.

The survey showed Bush's approval rating at 40 percent, up from 35 percent in October.

The White House has held out the possibility of a reduction in U.S. force levels eventually, once Iraqis are able to fight the insurgency on their own and if progress is made on the political front looking ahead to Iraq's December 15 elections.

The Pentagon plans to shrink the American presence -- now at 155,000 -- to about 138,000 after the December 15 Iraqi elections and is considering dropping to about 100,000 aroundmid-2006 if conditions allow.

bendog · 12-12-2005, 09:51 AM

It's clear that the gop congress has pulled the plug, and wants 100K or less by the 06 elections. bushii is prolly doing the best he can, considering the mess he created, by saying no timeline. After the elections in Iraq this month, the sunnis will prolly demand and get from the Iraqi govt a request for America to 'go home' by a date certain. Hopefully that will get more sunnis to buy in, and slightly reduce the violence over there.

errand · 12-12-2005, 01:44 PM

I know this may shock you gunns, but those serving in Iraq volunteered...which means they made the decision to serve in a branch of our military knowing full well that they might have to actually do their freaking job.

I'll let you in on another little secret, Chelsea isn't there either, neither is any of the Kennedy's, Kerry's, Pelosi's, Dean's children....

BTW, the troops will come home when Iraq is able to take care of themselves....not a moment earlier, unless of course one of the aforementioned clowns you support become president in '08

errand · 12-12-2005, 01:46 PM

strategic redeployment = cut-n-run

Worked in Somalia huh, gunns?

bendog · 12-12-2005, 01:46 PM

they didn't volunteer for nationbuilding errand, and the boy wonder king said he was 'agin it.

Rascal · 12-12-2005, 02:57 PM

I agree that there should be no time table. But we should start pulling out troops by the end of 2007.

If you publicize a time table that will only help the terroists IMO. We are there, disagree with the reasons or not makes no difference, and we need to win.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 12-12-2005, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bendog

they didn't volunteer for nationbuilding errand, and the boy wonder king said he was 'agin it.

Bingo.

And the other thing errant can't seem to grasp is that the fact that these young people volunteered to serve in the military doesn't give the court-appointed pinhead the right to betray their trust by misleading America into an illegal and unnecessary war sold with deliberate lies.

gunns · 12-12-2005, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by errand

I know this may shock you gunns, but those serving in Iraq volunteered...which means they made the decision to serve in a branch of our military knowing full well that they might have to actually do their freaking job.

I'll let you in on another little secret, Chelsea isn't there either, neither is any of the Kennedy's, Kerry's, Pelosi's, Dean's children....

BTW, the troops will come home when Iraq is able to take care of themselves....not a moment earlier, unless of course one of the aforementioned clowns you support become president in '08

This may shock you errand, those men and women did volunteer to protect our freedoms and way of life. That's why so many wonder why the mental midget have wasted their talents in Iraq. The Kennedy's, Kerry's, Pelosi's, and Dean's aren't the clueless wonders that can't figure out that the Iraqi's can already take care of themselves and that as long as we are there the insurgents are too.

gunns · 12-12-2005, 04:52 PM

We are there, disagree with the reasons or not makes no difference, and we need to win.

Yeah Johnson and Nixon kept feeding us the same BS.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 12-12-2005, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunns

This may shock you errand, those men and women did volunteer to protect our freedoms and way of life. That's why so many wonder why the mental midget have wasted their talents in Iraq.

Hammer, nail, head.

Bush Estimates 30,000 Iraqis Killed in War

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

Gee, he sure "liberated" 'em, didn't he?

bendog · 12-13-2005, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rascal

I agree that there should be no time table. But we should start pulling out troops by the end of 2007.

If you publicize a time table that will only help the terroists IMO. We are there, disagree with the reasons or not makes no difference, and we need to win.

I think that's it. Actually, Pat Roberts went over there and told the military that he was drawing down before the 06 elections. the gop is not falling on it's sword over this, not for a lameduck potus who used rove to shout down hagel and mccain when they publicized their misgivings BEFORE the invasion. Now it's politics plus despite what the WH might actually believe, it's clear that there will never be a political solution till we pull out. No timetable but in reality there is a timetable.

But I don't see how I'm safer with a shiaa maj govt with Iranian ties.

Play2win · 12-13-2005, 10:05 AM

we definitely need a timetable. Just, at this point, it probably shouldn't be a public one. But there needs to be one...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 12-13-2005, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bendog

I think that's it. Actually, Pat Roberts went over there and told the military that he was drawing down before the 06 elections. the gop is not falling on it's sword over this, not for a lameduck potus who used rove to shout down hagel and mccain when they publicized their misgivings BEFORE the invasion. Now it's politics plus despite what the WH might actually believe, it's clear that there will never be a political solution till we pull out. No timetable but in reality there is a timetable.

But I don't see how I'm safer with a shiaa maj govt with Iranian ties.

Smirky McChucklenuts will probably call for a partial troop withdrawl and declare "mission accomplished" just in time for the '06 elections. However, judging from the number of huge permanent bases the U.S. has built in Iraq, it's highly doubtful that we will ever leave altogether.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 12-13-2005, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by errand

Worked in Somalia huh, gunns?

Ah, Somalia: Another BushCo nation-building project (except the objectives this time were to shore up Pappy's "legacy" with a "humanitarian mission" and to deflect attention from Bush's Iran-Contra pardons.

Crushaholic · 12-16-2005, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunns

The Pentagon plans to shrink the American presence -- now at 155,000 -- to about 138,000 after the December 15 Iraqi elections and is considering dropping to about 100,000 aroundmid-2006 if conditions allow.

This certainly sounds like the beginnings of a timetable to me. We don't want to publicize when the last troops will leave Iraq, but there is a plan...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 12-16-2005, 05:28 PM

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 12-16-2005, 05:32 PM

Ex-CIA Agent's 'War on Terror'

Michael Scheuer, who tracked Osama bin-Laden for the CIA, says the Bush administration misrepresents al-Qaeda's motivation by claiming that Islamic militants are driven by a hatred of America's freedoms, rather than a resentment of U.S. policies in the Middle East. While framing the issue around "freedom" may help rally support inside the United States, it creates more opportunities for al-Qaeda in the Muslim world, Scheuer warns.

http://consortiumnews.com/2005/121205a.html

How many experts have to say it before the wingnuts wake up?

12-09-2005, 04:57 PM	#1
gunns I WANT DEFENSE! Defense, defense, defense Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Always Hoping Posts: 11,661 Adopt-a-Bronco: Defense	Bush rejects pullout timetable Yep, not his two little girls over there. Sure would send the wrong message to our troops....and their families.....they might start thinking he'd developed some common sense. And what exactly is that strategy? Are we using it yet? Bush rejects Iraq timetable, Republicans assail critics By Patricia Wilson Fri Dec 9, 2:31 PM ET MINNEAPOLIS (Reuters) - President George W. Bush on Friday forcefully rejected a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq as his Republican Party assailed Democratic critics with an ad using the white flag of surrender. "There are some who are arguing for a fixed timetable of withdrawal, I think it's a wrong policy," Bush said. "A fixed timetable of withdrawal would embolden the enemy, would confuse the Iraqis and would send the wrong signal to our young men and women in uniform." In Minneapolis, Bush raised about $1 million for Rep. Mark Kennedy (news, bio, voting record)'s bid for an open Minnesota seat in the U.S. Senate next year. Despite his poor poll numbers, Bush plans to campaign actively next year for Republicans trying to maintain their grip on the U.S. Congress. White House spokesman Trent Duffy called Bush's appearance for Kennedy "proof positive that Republicans not only want the president to campaign on their behalf but are happy to welcome him to their states." Trying to portray Democrats as the party of retreat from Iraq, the Republican National Committee released an Internet ad with white flags of surrender waving over images of Democratic Party chief Howard Dean and Democratic Sens. John Kerry of Massachusetts and Barbara Boxer of California. As the advertisement ends, the back of an American soldier with a weapon slung over his shoulder can be seen watching television images of the Democrats and the screen reads: "Our Country Is At War. Our Soldiers Are Watching and Our Enemies Are Too. Message To Democrats: Retreat And Defeat Is Not an Option." "We have got a strategy for victory and we will see that strategy through," Bush said. Democrats in Congress and some Republicans have questioned the war's origins and progress. Public opinion polls show a majority of Americans souring on the 2003 invasion as the death toll among U.S. troops passed 2,000 and the monthly cost rose to about $6 billion. Democrats have offered a range of ideas on Iraq, from quick withdrawal of troops to a gradual drawdown to Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman (news, bio, voting record)'s backing of Bush. Dean was attacked by Bush and Republicans earlier this week for telling a Texas radio station that "the idea we're going to win this war is an idea that unfortunately is plain wrong." He said later the quote was taken out of context but added that Democrats were beginning to coalesce around a concept of strategic redeployment in Iraq. That plan would gradually phase out most U.S. troops over the next two years, withdraw them from urban areas and bring home National Guard forces within six months. Bush is on the offensive to reverse a months-long slide in public support for the war and counter critics who say he lacks a winning strategy in Iraq. On Monday in his third speech on Iraq ahead of next Thursday's elections, he will talk about the political track. The president's approval rating crept up last month as Americans grew more positive about the economy, according to a New York Times/CBS News survey released on Wednesday. But a majority maintained lingering doubts about the war in Iraq. The survey showed Bush's approval rating at 40 percent, up from 35 percent in October. The White House has held out the possibility of a reduction in U.S. force levels eventually, once Iraqis are able to fight the insurgency on their own and if progress is made on the political front looking ahead to Iraq's December 15 elections. The Pentagon plans to shrink the American presence -- now at 155,000 -- to about 138,000 after the December 15 Iraqi elections and is considering dropping to about 100,000 aroundmid-2006 if conditions allow.

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12-12-2005, 09:51 AM	#2
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	It's clear that the gop congress has pulled the plug, and wants 100K or less by the 06 elections. bushii is prolly doing the best he can, considering the mess he created, by saying no timeline. After the elections in Iraq this month, the sunnis will prolly demand and get from the Iraqi govt a request for America to 'go home' by a date certain. Hopefully that will get more sunnis to buy in, and slightly reduce the violence over there.

12-12-2005, 01:44 PM	#3
errand Ring of Famer Forgot more than you'll ever know Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Western NC mountains Posts: 15,072	I know this may shock you gunns, but those serving in Iraq volunteered...which means they made the decision to serve in a branch of our military knowing full well that they might have to actually do their freaking job. I'll let you in on another little secret, Chelsea isn't there either, neither is any of the Kennedy's, Kerry's, Pelosi's, Dean's children.... BTW, the troops will come home when Iraq is able to take care of themselves....not a moment earlier, unless of course one of the aforementioned clowns you support become president in '08

12-12-2005, 01:46 PM	#4
errand Ring of Famer Forgot more than you'll ever know Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Western NC mountains Posts: 15,072	strategic redeployment = cut-n-run Worked in Somalia huh, gunns?

12-12-2005, 02:57 PM	#6
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	I agree that there should be no time table. But we should start pulling out troops by the end of 2007. If you publicize a time table that will only help the terroists IMO. We are there, disagree with the reasons or not makes no difference, and we need to win.

12-12-2005, 04:52 PM	#9
gunns I WANT DEFENSE! Defense, defense, defense Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Always Hoping Posts: 11,661 Adopt-a-Bronco: Defense	We are there, disagree with the reasons or not makes no difference, and we need to win. Yeah Johnson and Nixon kept feeding us the same BS.

12-13-2005, 10:05 AM	#12
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,610 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	we definitely need a timetable. Just, at this point, it probably shouldn't be a public one. But there needs to be one...

12-16-2005, 05:28 PM	#16
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694

12-16-2005, 05:32 PM	#17
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694	Ex-CIA Agent's 'War on Terror' Michael Scheuer, who tracked Osama bin-Laden for the CIA, says the Bush administration misrepresents al-Qaeda's motivation by claiming that Islamic militants are driven by a hatred of America's freedoms, rather than a resentment of U.S. policies in the Middle East. While framing the issue around "freedom" may help rally support inside the United States, it creates more opportunities for al-Qaeda in the Muslim world, Scheuer warns. http://consortiumnews.com/2005/121205a.html How many experts have to say it before the wingnuts wake up?