heres situation - The Orange Mane

terry251973 · 12-05-2005, 03:00 PM

1. denver wins out,13-3,cincy would lose tiebreaker and denver gets number 2 seed whether cincy won out or not.
2.denver goes 3-1 last 4 with loss to sd to go to 12-4,cincy would get number 2 seed even if they lose to kc last game to go to 12-4 cause theyd only have 1 divisional loss where as wed have 2.
3.and regardless of the 2 above,san diego or kc will have to back there way into playoffs

broncofan2438 · 12-05-2005, 03:02 PM

Finallt it makes sense, so just win out

Jens1893 · 12-05-2005, 03:05 PM

division losses only count for tiebreakers with teams in your division ...

For Wild-Card ties (2 Clubs):
1. Head-to-head
2. Best PCT in games within conference
3. Best PCT in common games, min. of four

terry251973 · 12-05-2005, 03:06 PM

oh cool then we dont have to beat sd if cincy loses at kc,far out lol best news ive heard all day.cmon chiefs im pulling for ya.

terry251973 · 12-05-2005, 03:08 PM

wait a minute jens,im not talking bout wild card,forget that,im talking bout number 2 seed tiebreaker so i believe we do have to beat sd regardless.

Jens1893 · 12-05-2005, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terry251973

wait a minute jens,im not talking bout wild card,forget that,im talking bout number 2 seed tiebreaker so i believe we do have to beat sd regardless.

it´s the same for ties for #2 seed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...ge=tiebreakers

Jens1893 · 12-05-2005, 03:22 PM

NFL Tiebreaking Procedures

(March 20, 2002) -- With the NFL realigning into eight four-team divisions to accommodate the arrival of the Houston Texans, the league adopted new tiebreaking rules.

Common opponents will now be the third tiebreaker within a division after head-to-head games and division record because each of the four teams will have 14 common games in the 16-game schedule. The owners also moved the strength-of-victory tiebreaker ahead of the strength-of-schedule tiebreaker.

The six postseason participants from each conference will now be seeded as follows:
1. The division champion with the best record.
2. The division champion with the second-best record.
3. The division champion with the third-best record.
4. The division champion with the fourth-best record.
5. The Wild Card club with the best record.
6. The Wild Card club with the second-best record.

The following procedures will be used to break standings ties for postseason playoffs and to determine regular-season schedules.

NOTE: Tie games count as one-half win and one-half loss for both clubs.

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

OTHER TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES
1. Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild-Card tie breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to step one of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tie breaker, all other clubs revert to step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format.
2. In comparing division and conference records or records against common opponents among tied teams, the best won-lost-tied percentage is the deciding factor since teams may have played an unequal number of games.
3. To determine home-field priority among division titlists, apply Wild-Card tie breakers.
4. To determine home-field priority for Wild-Card qualifiers, apply division tie breakers (if teams are from the same division) or Wild-Card tie breakers (if teams are from different ivisions).

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING
If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.
2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

terry251973 · 12-05-2005, 03:23 PM

good job jens thanks for info,thats big relief that cincy has to go 4-0 last 4 games to have chance at 2 seed,so in that case by the time denver starts game at san diego,kc could have already beat cincy and wed have 2 seed wrapped up.the division is ours without a doubt, but its the 2 seed i care about.

broncos love · 12-05-2005, 03:32 PM

Denver at San Deigo Sat
Cincy at KC sun

Clockwork Orange · 12-05-2005, 03:32 PM

So as it stands right now, San Diego holds the edge in games against common opponents. They're currently 8-2 against common opponents with games left against Miami & KC. The Broncos are 7-3 in games against common opponents with games left against Buffalo & Oakland.

Both teams are currently 3-1 against the division. San Diego has to play at KC & home against Denver. Denver has a home game against Oakland and a trip to San Diego.

terry251973 · 12-05-2005, 03:34 PM

but clockwork,sd is gonna lose atleast 1 more game to indy,i dont see us finishing 11-5 to be in tie with them so division is lock unless we blowup against the next 3 weak teams.

SteveTensi13 · 12-05-2005, 05:44 PM

Looks like the friggin "Big-Bang" theory!

ludo21 · 12-05-2005, 05:52 PM

Good to hear.!

I will take a 3-1 on the way out and 2 seed.

Im still scared of even making the playoffs, but if this team is for real, the next 3 games should be wins, then a possible loss at SD and we could still grab 2 seed with a Cinci loss.

broncofan2438 · 12-05-2005, 08:51 PM

Why does everyone anticipate the sd loss, c'mon have some faith. I am going ot that game and need some confidence

Sassy · 12-05-2005, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broncofan2438

Why does everyone anticipate the sd loss, c'mon have some faith. I am going ot that game and need some confidence

Like I've said before...The Broncos are undefeated when Hogan and I go to games...WE'LL see you NYE!

broncofan2438 · 12-05-2005, 09:03 PM

Great, looking forward to it, partying with OF1?

12-05-2005, 03:00 PM	#1
terry251973 Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,048	heres situation 1. denver wins out,13-3,cincy would lose tiebreaker and denver gets number 2 seed whether cincy won out or not. 2.denver goes 3-1 last 4 with loss to sd to go to 12-4,cincy would get number 2 seed even if they lose to kc last game to go to 12-4 cause theyd only have 1 divisional loss where as wed have 2. 3.and regardless of the 2 above,san diego or kc will have to back there way into playoffs

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12-05-2005, 03:02 PM	#2
broncofan2438 Faneco this... LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,302 Adopt-a-Bronco: ERIC DECKER	Finallt it makes sense, so just win out

12-05-2005, 03:05 PM	#3
Jens1893 Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Location: People´s Republic of Bad Cannstatt Posts: 9,170	division losses only count for tiebreakers with teams in your division ... For Wild-Card ties (2 Clubs): 1. Head-to-head 2. Best PCT in games within conference 3. Best PCT in common games, min. of four

12-05-2005, 03:06 PM	#4
terry251973 Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,048	oh cool then we dont have to beat sd if cincy loses at kc,far out lol best news ive heard all day.cmon chiefs im pulling for ya.

12-05-2005, 03:08 PM	#5
terry251973 Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,048	wait a minute jens,im not talking bout wild card,forget that,im talking bout number 2 seed tiebreaker so i believe we do have to beat sd regardless.

12-05-2005, 03:22 PM	#7
Jens1893 Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Location: People´s Republic of Bad Cannstatt Posts: 9,170	NFL Tiebreaking Procedures (March 20, 2002) -- With the NFL realigning into eight four-team divisions to accommodate the arrival of the Houston Texans, the league adopted new tiebreaking rules. Common opponents will now be the third tiebreaker within a division after head-to-head games and division record because each of the four teams will have 14 common games in the 16-game schedule. The owners also moved the strength-of-victory tiebreaker ahead of the strength-of-schedule tiebreaker. The six postseason participants from each conference will now be seeded as follows: 1. The division champion with the best record. 2. The division champion with the second-best record. 3. The division champion with the third-best record. 4. The division champion with the fourth-best record. 5. The Wild Card club with the best record. 6. The Wild Card club with the second-best record. The following procedures will be used to break standings ties for postseason playoffs and to determine regular-season schedules. NOTE: Tie games count as one-half win and one-half loss for both clubs. TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined. Two Clubs 1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs). 2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. 4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule. 7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 9. Best net points in common games. 10. Best net points in all games. 11. Best net touchdowns in all games. Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format). 1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs). 2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. 4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule. 7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 9. Best net points in common games. 10. Best net points in all games. 11. Best net touchdowns in all games. TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken. 1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker. 2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps. Two Clubs 1. Head-to-head, if applicable. 2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. 4. Strength of victory. 5. Strength of schedule. 6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best net points in conference games. 9. Best net points in all games. 10. Best net touchdowns in all games. 11. Coin toss. Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.) 1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants. 2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.) 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule. 7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 9. Best net points in conference games. 10. Best net points in all games. 11. Best net touchdowns in all games. 12. Coin toss When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth. OTHER TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES 1. Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild-Card tie breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to step one of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tie breaker, all other clubs revert to step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format. 2. In comparing division and conference records or records against common opponents among tied teams, the best won-lost-tied percentage is the deciding factor since teams may have played an unequal number of games. 3. To determine home-field priority among division titlists, apply Wild-Card tie breakers. 4. To determine home-field priority for Wild-Card qualifiers, apply division tie breakers (if teams are from the same division) or Wild-Card tie breakers (if teams are from different ivisions). TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs: 1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last. 2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule. If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

12-05-2005, 03:23 PM	#8
terry251973 Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,048	good job jens thanks for info,thats big relief that cincy has to go 4-0 last 4 games to have chance at 2 seed,so in that case by the time denver starts game at san diego,kc could have already beat cincy and wed have 2 seed wrapped up.the division is ours without a doubt, but its the 2 seed i care about.

12-05-2005, 03:32 PM	#9
broncos love THE MAN Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 822	Denver at San Deigo Sat Cincy at KC sun

12-05-2005, 03:32 PM	#10
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	So as it stands right now, San Diego holds the edge in games against common opponents. They're currently 8-2 against common opponents with games left against Miami & KC. The Broncos are 7-3 in games against common opponents with games left against Buffalo & Oakland. Both teams are currently 3-1 against the division. San Diego has to play at KC & home against Denver. Denver has a home game against Oakland and a trip to San Diego.

12-05-2005, 03:34 PM	#11
terry251973 Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,048	but clockwork,sd is gonna lose atleast 1 more game to indy,i dont see us finishing 11-5 to be in tie with them so division is lock unless we blowup against the next 3 weak teams.

12-05-2005, 05:44 PM	#12
SteveTensi13 GIVE ME SOME MORE ORANGE OLD SCHOOL BRONCO Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Helmand province, Afghanistan Posts: 1,830 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brandon Stokley	Looks like the friggin "Big-Bang" theory!

12-05-2005, 05:52 PM	#13
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,899 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Good to hear.! I will take a 3-1 on the way out and 2 seed. Im still scared of even making the playoffs, but if this team is for real, the next 3 games should be wins, then a possible loss at SD and we could still grab 2 seed with a Cinci loss.

12-05-2005, 08:51 PM	#14
broncofan2438 Faneco this... LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,302 Adopt-a-Bronco: ERIC DECKER	Why does everyone anticipate the sd loss, c'mon have some faith. I am going ot that game and need some confidence

12-05-2005, 09:03 PM	#16
broncofan2438 Faneco this... LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,302 Adopt-a-Bronco: ERIC DECKER	Great, looking forward to it, partying with OF1?