we're at the crossroads folks....again.

[orange 4 life]

the proverbial fork in the road.
most of you have never watched a game with me, but ben came over yesterday and saw me at my cursing, negative, angry, depressed worst.
as down as i get.
we had a great time with fam and friends....until the end.

anyway, here's some thoughts after reflecting.
this is pretty much the EXACT same spot we were in after the giants loss.
a road game against a good team that wouldve allowed us to really separate ourselves, and again we blew it.

that said, this could end up being a GOOD thing just as the giants loss was (in hindsight).
this could really focus the team, and cause us to not overlook anyone and take care of business.
this loss could propel us the next month to a 3-1 or possibly 4-0 finish, just as the giants loss led to 4 straight victories.
we're at the fork in the road again.
the last two seasons, we crumpled when put in this position.
this season, we bounced back from an opening day loss with 5 straight wins.
we bounced back from a hearbreaking give away loss to the giants with 4 straight victories.

what will we do now?
we'll soon see, but it wouldnt surprise me to see this team use this loss to its advantage. like the giants, another game we CLEARLY shouldve won.
a blown coverage, a deflected interception in the endzone, an ill advised pass on third and 21 (the only horrible pass plummer threw all day), a COMPLETE lack of pressure on green, and some very questionable coaching decisions (not attempting the fg at halfs end and 3 straight runs off tackle inside the 10)

ive been depressed since the game ended, but like the giants game, i do believe this could be a big motivator for the team.
they know they blew this one. all of them.
plummer was magnificent in the game, and probably played his best game of the year, but those two plays (the first is hard to pin on him since ben and i talked and both believe he's under strict orders NOT to run unless its wide open. also the ball was tipped) cost us.

the defense played their worst game of the year, and the officials cost us dearly.
i hate to make it about the refs, and we shouldve won anyway, but there were some AWFUL calls in this game.
the lynch hit is spotlighted, but that wasnt all.
the long ball to rod had a BLATANT downfield chuck by the defender, and the absolute worst of the day was the no call on the int in the endzone.
no one seems to be talking about this today (on radio), but on that play kyle johnson was being held so badly his jersey was being stretched out from the start of the play right through the end.

also on radio this morning was the typical plummer and champ bashing.
they actually had the nerve (and the idiocy) to ask if "the clock has struck midnight on jake."
a caller actually had the nerve to call champ "the chump" because of the botched coverage that may well have been fergys assignment.
the clock is at about 10:00 a.m. folks.
its truly amazing to see how fickle some people are these days.
we heard the same tripe after the giants loss, and plummer and co. rebounded with 4 straight.

lets hope that happens again.
we need the #2 seed, a bye, and a home playoff game, and we still control our own destiny.
cheer up.
Lord knows im trying.

jake

ps- remember '97. we lost a heartbreaker in arrowhead that year too, and everything ended up just fine.

[Crushaholic]

The Chiefs played one of their best games of the season and they barely survived the day. Let's put this one behind us and finish the season strong!

[orange 4 life]

amen my brother.
amen.

time to move on, and looking at the schedules, you have to like our chances.

we have three games in a row we should be able to win handily.

kc finishes with the toughest 4 games in the nfl.
san diego still has to go to indy and kc.

only think that concerns me is cinci, since their only remaining tough game is at kc.
still, we control our own destiny, and this team is pissed after yesterday.

[ludo21]

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

The Chiefs played one of their best games of the season and they barely survived the day. Let's put this one behind us and finish the season strong!

And it would have been 27-27 if it werent for that bogus call on lynch!!!!!

That would have been anotehr game changing play, but no in Narrowhead we couldnt get a call.

3 tough games in a row,IMO, but we are better than all three. Ravens should be cake(but we all lnow the ravens all to well)
Raiders - another team we are better than, but again, we lost at home last time.
Buffalo - in buffalo, nuff said.

So we are far from taking this division by storm, but we are also a much better team than in years past!

[Mediator12]

I agree with the Jake INT in the end Zone. I just watched the game film and it is a DE Eric Hicks Holding Kyle Johnson. It was still a stupid pass though jake.

Plus, the TO's were instant points off the board or Points for KC. Six to be exact in the minimum. Not that Jake was the reason for the loss. I thought he played well and made a few huge improve plays. The defense needed to be more aggresive in the fourth quarter, but they played just as horrible as the offense down the stretch.

The fourth Quarter offense has simply got to execute better. Screw the playcalling, the whole Unit has to execute in crunch time and neither did the defense today.

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

the proverbial fork in the road.
most of you have never watched a game with me, but ben came over yesterday and saw me at my cursing, negative, angry, depressed worst.
as down as i get.
we had a great time with fam and friends....until the end.

anyway, here's some thoughts after reflecting.
this is pretty much the EXACT same spot we were in after the giants loss.
a road game against a good team that wouldve allowed us to really separate ourselves, and again we blew it.

that said, this could end up being a GOOD thing just as the giants loss was (in hindsight).
this could really focus the team, and cause us to not overlook anyone and take care of business.
this loss could propel us the next month to a 3-1 or possibly 4-0 finish, just as the giants loss led to 4 straight victories.
we're at the fork in the road again.
the last two seasons, we crumpled when put in this position.
this season, we bounced back from an opening day loss with 5 straight wins.
we bounced back from a hearbreaking give away loss to the giants with 4 straight victories.

what will we do now?
we'll soon see, but it wouldnt surprise me to see this team use this loss to its advantage. like the giants, another game we CLEARLY shouldve won.
a blown coverage, a deflected interception in the endzone, an ill advised pass on third and 21 (the only horrible pass plummer threw all day), a COMPLETE lack of pressure on green, and some very questionable coaching decisions (not attempting the fg at halfs end and 3 straight runs off tackle inside the 10)

ive been depressed since the game ended, but like the giants game, i do believe this could be a big motivator for the team.
they know they blew this one. all of them.
plummer was magnificent in the game, and probably played his best game of the year, but those two plays (the first is hard to pin on him since ben and i talked and both believe he's under strict orders NOT to run unless its wide open. also the ball was tipped) cost us.

the defense played their worst game of the year, and the officials cost us dearly.
i hate to make it about the refs, and we shouldve won anyway, but there were some AWFUL calls in this game.
the lynch hit is spotlighted, but that wasnt all.
the long ball to rod had a BLATANT downfield chuck by the defender, and the absolute worst of the day was the no call on the int in the endzone.
no one seems to be talking about this today (on radio), but on that play kyle johnson was being held so badly his jersey was being stretched out from the start of the play right through the end.

also on radio this morning was the typical plummer and champ bashing.
they actually had the nerve (and the idiocy) to ask if "the clock has struck midnight on jake."
a caller actually had the nerve to call champ "the chump" because of the botched coverage that may well have been fergys assignment.
the clock is at about 10:00 a.m. folks.
its truly amazing to see how fickle some people are these days.
we heard the same tripe after the giants loss, and plummer and co. rebounded with 4 straight.

lets hope that happens again.
we need the #2 seed, a bye, and a home playoff game, and we still control our own destiny.
cheer up.
Lord knows im trying.

jake

ps- remember '97. we lost a heartbreaker in arrowhead that year too, and everything ended up just fine.

Yeah, you're right , we are at the CROSSROADS.

The crossroads of Keeping or firing JAKE PLUMMER'S ASS...

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Mediator12

I agree with the Jake INT in the end Zone. I just watched the game film and it is a DE Eric Hicks Holding Kyle Johnson. It was still a stupid pass though jake.

Plus, the TO's were instant points off the board or Points for KC. Six to be exact in the minimum. Not that Jake was the reason for the loss. I thought he played well and made a few huge improve plays. The defense needed to be more aggresive in the fourth quarter, but they played just as horrible as the offense down the stretch.

The fourth Quarter offense has simply got to execute better. Screw the playcalling, the whole Unit has to execute in crunch time and neither did the defense today.

i think a run wouldve been a better choice, but remember two things.

1) the ball was tipped, and plummer was NOT trying to throw to a double covered lelie. he was trying to throw to alexander in the corner where even if the pass hadnt been caught it wouldnt have been picked, and

2) i firmly believe shanahan has given jake strict orders NOT to run unless theres NO ONE in front of him.

did you notice than when jake came off the field shanahan had NO fire in his eyes when he talked with him?
shanahan didnt blame him for that pass, and i really dont either.
if he tries to run, he likely gets stopped short and probably also takes a wicked shot.
the play was supposed to go to johnson (and we know what happened there), and after than he checked to the only guy that had a chance.
unfortunately the ball got deflected into a crowd of chiefs.

also, the missed 4th down conversion is weighing heavily on my mind, because i firmly believe that had that play worked, plummer wouldve moved us all the way down the field.
he'll likely get another opportunity before the year is over, and my bet is that he takes advantage.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Play2Win

Yeah, you're right , we are at the CROSSROADS.

The crossroads of Keeping or firing JAKE PLUMMER'S ASS...

congrats.

you get the idiot stick of the year remark.

the guy is playing at a probowl level, and you want to blame him for yesterday?
he threw one horrible pass, one unlucky pass, and was otherwise brilliant.

he's led us to back to back 10-6 seasons (after only going to the playoffs once in four years before he arrived), and he has us at 9-3 and #2 in the conference this year.

nice take dip****.

jake

[Play2win]

BTW- Jake, Nice Post.

[DB-Freak]

It sux to have a DL that can't support and do things by themselves.

[Dukes]

Always nice to hear a little optimism. Tired of the implosion threads

[BigPlayShay]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

2) i firmly believe shanahan has given jake strict orders NOT to run unless theres NO ONE in front of him.

I believe they showed Shanny talking to Jake after the play, and I am pretty sure that I read his lips correctly and he said "just run it".

Either way, I have no problem with the way Jake played yesterday.

It's "the stretch" time again. This has been a time of year that has been an issue the past couple of years. This is a better team than the past couple years, and I expect them to prove that down "the stretch".

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

congrats.

you get the idiot stick of the year remark.

the guy is playing at a probowl level, and you want to blame him for yesterday?
he threw one horrible pass, one unlucky pass, and was otherwise brilliant.

he's led us to back to back 10-6 seasons (after only going to the playoffs once in four years before he arrived), and he has us at 9-3 and #2 in the conference this year.

nice take dip****.

jake

Jake, look inside yourself and check your fealings, is Plummer going to win us the superbowl or is it even possible to win the superbowl despite Plummer?

Jake is Jake. He brings some good things to the table. His middle range accuracy has made some real progress, But he can't throw the deep ball to save his life. This is really killing us. ASH would've had twice the yardage with an accurate downfield passer. Even when Jake completes the pass, he never leads ASH corectly. Most of those should've gone the distance if ASH was led correctly.

Plummer does have many, many assets, but he also has noticable deficiencies.

You have to be BLIND not to see that.

[broncofan2438]

Agree with you there orange 4 life, although come on it looked pretty wide open enough to run in at least get a few more yards. but whatever, lets move on

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Play2Win

BTW- Jake, Nice Post.

thanks pal!!!

here, take a drink

at the end of the day, we're all broncos fans, and its time to pull together.
time to get it done in the home stretch as we have failed to do the last couple years.
hey, we're already better than we have been at 9-3.
we have the edge, we control our own destiny, and i like the upcoming schedule.
i also like shanahan getting humbled after clearly not showing enough confidence in his offense and getting burned by it.

time to go on another run.

[azbroncfan]

Originally Posted by BigPlayShay

I believe they showed Shanny talking to Jake after the play, and I am pretty sure that I read his lips correctly and he said "just run it".

Either way, I have no problem with the way Jake played yesterday.

It's "the stretch" time again. This has been a time of year that has been an issue the past couple of years. This is a better team than the past couple years, and I expect them to prove that down "the stretch".

Agreed although it was a terrible pass that would of been picked tipped or not but you could read shanny's lips saying run.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by broncofan2438

Agree with you there orange 4 life, although come on it looked pretty wide open enough to run in at least get a few more yards. but whatever, lets move on

oh i agree that he couldve got a couple yards.
maybe down to the one even.

i also think he wouldve taken a beating to do it, and i dont
think shanny will let him take those chances, and i dont blame him.

if plummer goes down our season is over. period.

[Play2win]

I do kind of hate this kind of reverse logic, its every body else's fault except for JAKE PLUMMER. NO, it Jake's fault because he is the Quarterback, part of being the QB is taking blame for the loss. He's the QB, he take blame for the loss. When a team looses its on the HEAD COACH, QB and The GM.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by BigPlayShay

I believe they showed Shanny talking to Jake after the play, and I am pretty sure that I read his lips correctly and he said "just run it".

Either way, I have no problem with the way Jake played yesterday.

It's "the stretch" time again. This has been a time of year that has been an issue the past couple of years. This is a better team than the past couple years, and I expect them to prove that down "the stretch".

we read the same thing, with one exception.

looked like shanny said "i know...ITS OKAY...just run it", and jakes body expression led me and ben (he came over to watch the game) to think that he had been told otherwise beforehand.
also, did you catch how calm shanahan was at that time?
have you noticed that when jake screws up shanny lets him have it?

he didnt there, which just made us think even more so that it was a prior directive, and again, it makes sense when you think about it.
he's the one player that would completely kill our season if we lost him.
rod is pretty much irreplaceable as well, but not even rod is at jakes level for a couple reasons.
1) plummer is a damn good qb, and he's playing at a probowl caliber.
2) we have a backup who has no experience and cant hit the broad side of a barn with most of his passes (and i like the kids fire. its nothing personal)

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Play2Win

I do kind of hate this kind of reverse logic, its every body else's fault except for JAKE PLUMMER. NO, it Jake's fault because he is the Quarterback, part of being the QB is taking blame for the loss. He's the QB, he take blame for the loss. When a team looses its on the HEAD COACH, QB and The GM.

i really dont have a problem with that...for the most part.

i already said the one interception (on 3rd and 21) was just a terrible throw and decision, and it cost us 3 points.
i just added that BESIDES that throw the guy was pretty amazing yesterday.

sure, its his fault too, but not his fault alone, and not his fault mainly.
im sorry pal, but if you score 27 points you should win the game.

also, im saying that its one game.
we're 9-3 this year, and if it ended today we'd have the #2 seed.
plummers record and play show how good he's been since wearing the orange and blue, and questioning his job security after a game like yesterday is just spoiled lunacy.

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

thanks pal!!!

here, take a drink

at the end of the day, we're all broncos fans, and its time to pull together.
time to get it done in the home stretch as we have failed to do the last couple years.
hey, we're already better than we have been at 9-3.
we have the edge, we control our own destiny, and i like the upcoming schedule.
i also like shanahan getting humbled after clearly not showing enough confidence in his offense and getting burned by it.

time to go on another run.

Absolutely. GO BRONCOS!!!

With me its a double-edged Sword, I fully support every player wearing a Broncos Uniform, BUT I demand a high level of excellence from each player. It is the Standard Shanahan has instilled in this team. God Bless Mike Shanahan, we are so lucky to have such an excellent coach that sets such a high standard for our team!!!!

[azbroncfan]

Plummer played well except two throws which were 9 pts. I like Jake and he is on pace for less than 10 picks which is what QB's want in a year. Also why couldn't DJ put green on his a$$ on williams pick, there were 6pts there too.

[yavoon]

I dont know about the rest but plummer rox! am i rite?

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

i really dont have a problem with that...for the most part.

i already said the one interception (on 3rd and 21) was just a terrible throw and decision, and it cost us 3 points.
i just added that BESIDES that throw the guy was pretty amazing yesterday.

sure, its his fault too, but not his fault alone, and not his fault mainly.
im sorry pal, but if you score 27 points you should win the game.

also, im saying that its one game.
we're 9-3 this year, and if it ended today we'd have the #2 seed.
plummers record and play show how good he's been since wearing the orange and blue, and questioning his job security after a game like yesterday is just spoiled lunacy.

What I am saying, though, Jake, is that its not only what Plummer DID do, but its what he DIDN'T DO...

Its part of the QB's responsibility to FIND a way to WIN. Problem-Solve his arse off and WIN THE GAME.

Thats all I am saying...

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Play2Win

Jake, look inside yourself and check your fealings, is Plummer going to win us the superbowl or is it even possible to win the superbowl despite Plummer?

Jake is Jake. He brings some good things to the table. His middle range accuracy has made some real progress, But he can't throw the deep ball to save his life. This is really killing us. ASH would've had twice the yardage with an accurate downfield passer. Even when Jake completes the pass, he never leads ASH corectly. Most of those should've gone the distance if ASH was led correctly.

Plummer does have many, many assets, but he also has noticable deficiencies.

You have to be BLIND not to see that.

wow.
go watch the film.

the problem isnt jakes arm.
the problem is the plays design.

did you catch how far jake threw it?

it was a 56 yard gain, all in the air.
jake was at least 7 yards behind the line.
he also threw a few yards across the field.

thats conservatively 65 yards IN THE AIR he threw that pass.

youre friggin blind and NUTS if you expect more.

sure, he has deficiencies.
did i or anyone else ever say he didnt?

EVERY QB IN HISTORY HAS DEFICIENCIES!!

everyones pretty boy brady threw 4 picks in one game last week.
that was as many as plummer had all season up to that point.
should the pats have contemplated replacing him?

of course not, since many factors like injuries, playing from behind, and even luck were part of the equation.

plummer has deficiencies, but he has alot less than most qb's out there.
the problem isnt with jake.
the problem is with people like you who expect perfection.