Thome to be traded to the White Sox - The Orange Mane

Clockwork Orange · 11-23-2005, 01:40 PM

Along with cash for Aaron Rowand, pending the players passing physicals.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2234843

I guess they've come to terms with the idea that Paul Konerko will be playing elsewhere next year.

Bronco LB 59 · 11-23-2005, 04:23 PM

Aaron Rowand should have won a Gold Glove in 2005. He's was a big reason why the White Sox pitching staff had their success (along with Juan Uribe and Joe Crede).

Jim Thome is owed $43.5 million in his final three seasons. OUCH! When you consider his age and health issues, that sounds like bad news, but the Phillies are reportedly going to send $22 million the White Sox way.

From what I hear, the White Sox are still interested in Paul Konerko if this deal goes down. Which makes some sense with designated hitters Carl Everett and Frank Thomas being free agents.

The White Sox also have a young kid named Brian Anderson who can hit and cover some ground in the OF and they think he's ready for a full-time gig.

At first, I thought the Phillies got the better end of the deal, but if the White Sox are indeed getting $22 million AND Thome, I would give Chicago the advantage.

phillybroncosnut · 11-23-2005, 06:15 PM

Thank God! I'm a big Thome guy but as a diehard Phillie fan, I'm happy that the Phils found someone willing to take Thome.

Ryan Howard is the real deal and will be a huge player for the Phils. It looks like the Phils infield is all sured up for the next decade except at 3rd base. They have Rollins tied up for alot of years at SS. Chase Utley will get re-signed and is a franchis 2nd baseman. and now Howard (NL ROY) at first. We are dying for help at Catcher since Leiberthal is on his last leg (literally) and we have nothing in the farm system at Catcher.

I don't know a whole heck of alot about Rowand though other then what I saw a handful of times this year in the postseason. Can anyone tell me how he is defensively? Also, is he an everyday player or a platoon guy? From his numbers, it looks like he should fair well in the hitter friendly Citizens Bank Park. Does he have any speed? Where dis he hit in Chicago's lineup?

Bronco LB 59 · 11-23-2005, 06:22 PM

There's more to the deal, the White Sox are apparently giving the Phillies minor league southpaw pitchers Gio Gonzalez and Daniel Haigwood. I am very high on Gonzalez, the organization's #2 pitching prospect after Brandon McCarthy Both of them had brilliant seasons last year:

Haigwood's numbers:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/a...pbp&pid=452624

Gonzalez's numbers:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/a...pbp&pid=461829

With these minor leaguers included, I think its a fairly even deal but I would give a slight edge to the Phillies.

Bronco LB 59 · 11-23-2005, 06:24 PM

phillybroncosnut

Thome getting hurt last season was a blessing in disguise for the Phillies. Before last season, Howard was the guy mentioned in trade talks who had no room to play.

The Phillies now have some young southpaws that could be a part of their rotation in the future. Hopefully, Cole Hamels can stay healthy because he's as nasty as any prospect in baseball.

phillybroncosnut · 11-23-2005, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco LB 52

There's more to the deal, the White Sox are apparently giving the Phillies minor league southpaw pitchers Gio Gonzalez and Daniel Haigwood. I am very high on Gonzalez, the organization's #2 pitching prospect after Brandon McCarthy Both of them had brilliant seasons last year:

Haigwood's numbers:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/a...pbp&pid=452624

Gonzalez's numbers:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/a...pbp&pid=461829

With these minor leaguers included, I think its a fairly even deal but I would give a slight edge to the Phillies.

The Phils also got a supplemental 1st round pick on top of the 2 south paws.

phillybroncosnut · 11-23-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco LB 52

phillybroncosnut

Thome getting hurt last season was a blessing in disguise for the Phillies. Before last season, Howard was the guy mentioned in trade talks who had no room to play.

The Phillies now have some young southpaws that could be a part of their rotation in the future. Hopefully, Cole Hamels can stay healthy because he's as nasty as any prospect in baseball.

Funny thing is... the Phils brass deemed Howard as "Untradable" even when Thome was healthy.

Cole Hamels is a great prospect but so is Gavin Floyd and he struggled emmensly when called up and struggled even more when he was sent back down. As a Phils fan, I've been through so many "can't miss prospects" that you'll please forgive me if I don't do cartwheels just yet.

Bronco LB 59 · 11-23-2005, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by phillybroncosnut

I don't know a whole heck of alot about Rowand though other then what I saw a handful of times this year in the postseason. Can anyone tell me how he is defensively? Also, is he an everyday player or a platoon guy? From his numbers, it looks like he should fair well in the hitter friendly Citizens Bank Park. Does he have any speed? Where dis he hit in Chicago's lineup?

Many people in baseball thought Aaron Rowland should have won the Gold Glove last season. This is a huge defensive upgrade for the Phillies.

He's an everyday player, no doubt. Offensively, he's adequate for a centerfielder. In 2004, Rowand hit .310 with 24 HR, 38 2B and 17 SB. He slugged .544 that season. Last year, he regressed to 14 HR with 116 K and only 32 BB. He's showed the ability to be a perennial 20-20 hitter, but his defense is still his calling card.

Bronco LB 59 · 11-23-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by phillybroncosnut

Funny thing is... the Phils brass deemed Howard as "Untradable" even when Thome was healthy.

Cole Hamels is a great prospect but so is Gavin Floyd and he struggled emmensly when called up and struggled even more when he was sent back down. As a Phils fan, I've been through so many "can't miss prospects" that you'll please forgive me if I don't do cartwheels just yet.

WOW! I never knew the Phillies never had intentions of ever trading Howard, which is a good thing.

You're right, it's hard to get excited about pitching prospects who are vunerable to arm injuries or all sorts of other problems. It is still good to have numbers. You can never have enough arms. With numbers, you hope that one or two can beat the odds and eventually help your staff.

BTW, Robinson Tejada picked up Floyd's slack and was money for you guys last season. 67 H in 85.2 IP is very impressive for a rookie.

phillybroncosnut · 11-23-2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco LB 52

Many people in baseball thought Aaron Rowland should have won the Gold Glove last season. This is a huge defensive upgrade for the Phillies.

He's an everyday player, no doubt. Offensively, he's adequate for a centerfielder. In 2004, Rowand hit .310 with 24 HR, 38 2B and 17 SB. He slugged .544 that season. Last year, he regressed to 14 HR with 116 K and only 32 BB. He's showed the ability to be a perennial 20-20 hitter, but his defense is still his calling card.

The K's scare me a bit, especially on a team loaded with guys who strikeout WAY too many times (Rollins, Abreu, Bell, Burrell, Lieberthal).
I like that he is defensively sound though. Surprisingly enough, Abreau won a Gold Glove this year and his defensive play is average at best. I guess with him being in the limelight this season (winning the Home Run Derby) people paid a bit more attention to him.
How is he as a baserunner? Any threat to steal a few bases? Also, where does he bat in the lineup? Top, Middle, or bottom?

phillybroncosnut · 11-23-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco LB 52

WOW! I never knew the Phillies never had intentions of ever trading Howard, which is a good thing.

You're right, it's hard to get excited about pitching prospects who are vunerable to arm injuries or all sorts of other problems. It is still good to have numbers. You can never have enough arms. With numbers, you hope that one or two can beat the odds and eventually help your staff.

BTW, Robinson Tejada picked up Floyd's slack and was money for you guys last season. 67 H in 85.2 IP is very impressive for a rookie.

Yeah, the 2 guys they deemed "Untradable" were Chase Utley and Ryan Howard. They also said both Hamels and Floyd were untradeable.

I loved Tejeda this season. His only problem was his control. He had filthy stuff and hitters struggled to get ahold of anything. He walked alot of hitters and worked alot of deep counts. His line looked alot like this:

5 IP, 1R, 0ER, 2H, 4K, 6BB.

He could only last 5 or 6 innings at best. Opposing offense's couldn't hit a lick off him but by the 5th inning, he was at 90-100 pitches because of his control. If he gets his control even a little better, he could be a real nice fit in our rotation.
He only had 1 rough outing in like 11 starts. The other 10, he gave up 2 or less runs.

-Slap- · 11-24-2005, 08:31 AM

Phillies management had to sighing with relief when Ryan Howard panned out. I don't believe Thome had an off year. I think, at 35, he showed the first major signs of serious and irreversable decline. If Howard hadn't Wally Pipped him, someone else probably would have sooner or later. Thome's bat speed has gone to the same place as Jeff Bagwell's. An unhappy place where high cheese, that used to get turned around hard, now blows past you at the letters.

I could be wrong about him. Maybe his troubles last year can all be traced to injury. I'm sure the return to the American League won't hurt, nor will the ABs at DH that he's likely to see more and more of as he gets older.

Lord knows, the White Sox have proven they can carry a low batting average in the middle of the lineup. Its a miracle they were able to win any games with Carl Everett down the stretch last year. ABs disappeared into him like a black hole for the last two months of the season and the Sox kept on winning.

11-23-2005, 01:40 PM	#1
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	Thome to be traded to the White Sox Along with cash for Aaron Rowand, pending the players passing physicals. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2234843 I guess they've come to terms with the idea that Paul Konerko will be playing elsewhere next year.

11-23-2005, 06:15 PM	#3
phillybroncosnut Ring of Famer The HOF is BLIND!!! Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,955	Thank God! I'm a big Thome guy but as a diehard Phillie fan, I'm happy that the Phils found someone willing to take Thome. Ryan Howard is the real deal and will be a huge player for the Phils. It looks like the Phils infield is all sured up for the next decade except at 3rd base. They have Rollins tied up for alot of years at SS. Chase Utley will get re-signed and is a franchis 2nd baseman. and now Howard (NL ROY) at first. We are dying for help at Catcher since Leiberthal is on his last leg (literally) and we have nothing in the farm system at Catcher. I don't know a whole heck of alot about Rowand though other then what I saw a handful of times this year in the postseason. Can anyone tell me how he is defensively? Also, is he an everyday player or a platoon guy? From his numbers, it looks like he should fair well in the hitter friendly Citizens Bank Park. Does he have any speed? Where dis he hit in Chicago's lineup? Last edited by phillybroncosnut; 11-23-2005 at 06:20 PM..

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11-23-2005, 04:23 PM	#2
Bronco LB 59 Ring of Famer Keep your head up dog Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Leucadia CA Posts: 6,068	Aaron Rowand should have won a Gold Glove in 2005. He's was a big reason why the White Sox pitching staff had their success (along with Juan Uribe and Joe Crede). Jim Thome is owed $43.5 million in his final three seasons. OUCH! When you consider his age and health issues, that sounds like bad news, but the Phillies are reportedly going to send $22 million the White Sox way. From what I hear, the White Sox are still interested in Paul Konerko if this deal goes down. Which makes some sense with designated hitters Carl Everett and Frank Thomas being free agents. The White Sox also have a young kid named Brian Anderson who can hit and cover some ground in the OF and they think he's ready for a full-time gig. At first, I thought the Phillies got the better end of the deal, but if the White Sox are indeed getting $22 million AND Thome, I would give Chicago the advantage.

11-23-2005, 06:22 PM	#4
Bronco LB 59 Ring of Famer Keep your head up dog Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Leucadia CA Posts: 6,068	There's more to the deal, the White Sox are apparently giving the Phillies minor league southpaw pitchers Gio Gonzalez and Daniel Haigwood. I am very high on Gonzalez, the organization's #2 pitching prospect after Brandon McCarthy Both of them had brilliant seasons last year: Haigwood's numbers: http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/a...pbp&pid=452624 Gonzalez's numbers: http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/a...pbp&pid=461829 With these minor leaguers included, I think its a fairly even deal but I would give a slight edge to the Phillies.

11-23-2005, 06:24 PM	#5
Bronco LB 59 Ring of Famer Keep your head up dog Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Leucadia CA Posts: 6,068	phillybroncosnut Thome getting hurt last season was a blessing in disguise for the Phillies. Before last season, Howard was the guy mentioned in trade talks who had no room to play. The Phillies now have some young southpaws that could be a part of their rotation in the future. Hopefully, Cole Hamels can stay healthy because he's as nasty as any prospect in baseball.

11-24-2005, 08:31 AM	#12
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	Phillies management had to sighing with relief when Ryan Howard panned out. I don't believe Thome had an off year. I think, at 35, he showed the first major signs of serious and irreversable decline. If Howard hadn't Wally Pipped him, someone else probably would have sooner or later. Thome's bat speed has gone to the same place as Jeff Bagwell's. An unhappy place where high cheese, that used to get turned around hard, now blows past you at the letters. I could be wrong about him. Maybe his troubles last year can all be traced to injury. I'm sure the return to the American League won't hurt, nor will the ABs at DH that he's likely to see more and more of as he gets older. Lord knows, the White Sox have proven they can carry a low batting average in the middle of the lineup. Its a miracle they were able to win any games with Carl Everett down the stretch last year. ABs disappeared into him like a black hole for the last two months of the season and the Sox kept on winning.