Indy drops to #6 in outsiders, denver is now #1 - The Orange Mane

yavoon · 11-15-2005, 03:33 PM

strength of schedule adjustment.

"Indianapolis had the easiest schedule in the league during the first 10 weeks. They have the hardest schedule in the league during the final seven weeks."

http://msn.foxsports.com/name/public/NFL/PowerRankings

yavoon · 11-15-2005, 03:34 PM

also denver is #1. shoulda made that the headline now that I thinka bout it.

Garcia Bronco · 11-15-2005, 03:35 PM

I swear...any other team...and the pressure is on to go undefeated....Indy?...."They're not going to make it. That can't go undefeated."

Hotrod · 11-15-2005, 03:36 PM

#1 ya that sounds about right to me

yavoon · 11-15-2005, 03:41 PM

Prior to the bye week, Minnesota ranked 31st in offensive DVOA. For the five weeks since, they rank sixth, and that includes this week when the offense fell apart against the Giants. If they somehow win at Lambeau, Chicago may start looking over its shoulder. NEXT: at GB

everyone is gna have bad records but the fight to win this division could be awesome. atleast I hope so.

ludo21 · 11-15-2005, 03:42 PM

Jags 2, wow, thats some props there. Altho the Colts did beat them. makes you scratch your head.

Chargers 4, whatever.

I like being number 1, but it means nothing right now.

Call me in Feb, then being number 1 will be good!

Blart · 11-15-2005, 03:43 PM

DVOA is complete crap, and I hope nobody puts any money on its predictions. Why does it even exist?

Denver was #16 on DVOA when we were 5-1.

Three weeks ago Aaron Shatz of FBO was claiming how great DVOA was, and how it predicted Denver's downfall over the past two years and how again this year it was right, and denver would do the annual 5-2 slide.

Now everyone can see that DVOA is a joke, Indy at #6? Yikes.

yavoon · 11-15-2005, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Blart

DVOA is complete crap, and I hope nobody puts any money on its predictions. Why does it even exist?

Denver was #16 on DVOA when we were 5-1.

Three weeks ago Aaron Brooks of FBO was claiming how great DVOA was, and how it predicted Denver's downfall over the past two years and how again this year it was right, and denver would do the annual 5-2 slide.

Now everyone can see that DVOA is a joke, Indy at #6? Yikes.

why is dvoa a joke? denver didnt slide and now denver is #1 overall. outsiders has predicted a lot of things. it predicted minnie's fall last year, buffalo's, san diego's and carolina's rise.

all the indy dvoa is saying is they haven't played ANYONE GOOD. if u look at their unadjusted dvoa(doesn't count opponent strength) indy is infact #1.

course I know its a huge strain to think about these things.

Bronx33 · 11-15-2005, 04:00 PM

How the he11 is this concidered hard? for the final seven?

Nov 20 @Cincinnati
Nov 28 Pittsburgh
Dec 4 Tennessee
Dec 11 @Jacksonville
Dec 18 San Diego
Dec 24 @Seattle
Jan 1 Arizona

epicSocialism4tw · 11-15-2005, 04:01 PM

I guess that he can override his statistics for the Colts alone. I guess that he isnt too impressed with his methods right now either.

yavoon · 11-15-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronx33

How the he11 is this concidered hard? for the final seven?

Nov 20 @Cincinnati
Nov 28 Pittsburgh
Dec 4 Tennessee
Dec 11 @Jacksonville
Dec 18 San Diego
Dec 24 @Seattle
Jan 1 Arizona

#3,#4,#5,#7,#27,#28. not in order.

Blart · 11-15-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon blurted out

course I know its a huge strain to think about these things

Reading Aaron Schatz's apologies for his crappy system every week and considering them your own doesn't mean you have any brains at all.

The fact is, DVOA had Denver listed at #16 when they were at 5 and 1. Let me repeat that:
Denver was ranked #16 when they were 5 and 1.

ESPN, Sports Illustrated, even local papers had Broncos placed in the top 5 after their 5-1 start. Why? Because humans can recognize potential, while a stats machine can't.

Aaron Schatz defended his faulty system back then, much like he is right now with Indy.

My point is: DVOA is consistently wrong. Why else would Aaron Schatz need to write a damned novel every week apologizing for his system? Since it's always wrong, why have it at all? No sane person would use it for betting or predicting, which is the whole point of power rankings. If you used it to bet on the Broncos this year, you'd be broke, and if you used it to pick winners at the office, your co-workers would think you've never watched a game.

yavoon · 11-15-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

I guess that he can override his statistics for the Colts alone. I guess that he isnt too impressed with his methods right now either.

this is actually common in statistics. because u design for the majority of situations extraordinary situations by in large fall out of ur grasp. many equations ppl use to build real things follow this rule.

its just how life is. a person using a non-rigorous technique could have just fudged their answer to not make it look bad. but then their methods would goto ****.

really read the explanation, indy is NUMBER ONE IN UNADJUSTED DVOA.

Tw0mey · 11-15-2005, 04:04 PM

Ha, reminds me of the BCS when the champs were put to number to. Indy's undefeated, they are on top until they lose, twice. Haha.

Bronx33 · 11-15-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

#3,#4,#5,#7,#27,#28. not in order.

The hard ones are @ home with two being hard IMO being away, the stick stated (They have the hardest schedule in the league during the final seven weeks) in his reasoning and throwing the firechickens in that group.

yavoon · 11-15-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Blart

Reading Aaron Schatz's apologies for his crappy system every week and considering them your own doesn't mean you have any brains at all.

The fact is, DVOA had Denver listed at #16 when they were at 5 and 1. Let me repeat that:
Denver was ranked #16 when they were 5 and 1.

ESPN, Sports Illustrated, even local papers had Broncos placed in the top 5 after their 5-1 start. Why? Because humans can recognize potential, while a stats machine can't.

Aaron Schatz defended his faulty system back then, much like he is right now with Indy.

My point is: DVOA is consistently wrong. Why else would Aaron Schatz need to write a damned novel every week apologizing for his system? Since it's always wrong, why have it at all?

no its not because humans can recognize potential? wth are u even talking about? potential in a 5-1 team? what potential, they're 5-1! all other power rankings are BY AND LARGE descending order of record. it slips around a little but thats it. they aren't predictive, u might as well print out the records of the teams, it'd be just as informative.

what he is doing is telling u why things occur, its not defending of the system. see this is all very novel to the complete ****ing retards that are football fans because its not subjective. u guys are use to throwing bull**** at each other w/ no accountability, changing ur tune as fast as u please and being as arrogant as u please. this happens in statistics.

god I liked it so much better when this site wasn't on fox and retards w/ zero knowledge or intelligence weren't invading.

epicSocialism4tw · 11-15-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

this is actually common in statistics. because u design for the majority of situations extraordinary situations by in large fall out of ur grasp. many equations ppl use to build real things follow this rule.

its just how life is. a person using a non-rigorous technique could have just fudged their answer to not make it look bad. but then their methods would goto ****.

really read the explanation, indy is NUMBER ONE IN UNADJUSTED DVOA.

I understand his reasoning, but I was commenting on his willingness to ignore his own standards for Denver earlier in the season to allow Indy to sit at athe top (at least aesthetically) of his rankings.

yavoon · 11-15-2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronx33

The hard ones are @ home with two being hard IMO being away, the stick stated (They have the hardest schedule in the league during the final seven weeks) in his reasoning.

so everyone here was doggy humping denver's schedule because they played a 5-4 patriots and a 4-5 eagles team? and both of those at home.

yavoon · 11-15-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

I understand his reasoning, but I was commenting on his willingness to ignore his own standards for Denver earlier in the season to allow Indy to sit at athe top (at least aesthetically) of his rankings.

yah I dont like that, but denver still is #1. he didnt change their rank he probably was scared by the atlanta thing. basically atlanta was ranked low and the retard fans spammed his site's dvoa thread to over 600 responses of trash. he's probably trying to not let indy do that. I dont blame him, it wasted a lot of what in some other year would have been good discussion.

Bronx33 · 11-15-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

so everyone here was doggy humping denver's schedule because they played a 5-4 patriots and a 4-5 eagles team? and both of those at home.

Iam just tired of the adjustable arse kissing for the dolts.......

Blart · 11-15-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

really read the explanation, indy is NUMBER ONE IN UNADJUSTED DVOA.

So what? Denver is #8 in unadjusted DVOA, below the Jaguars who we beat on the road! DVOA is a horrible system, and if you use it for any practical purpose (betting, predicting) you will lose.

Again, why does DVOA exist? Aside from encouraging flames on messageboards.

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Originally Posted by yavoon

god I liked it so much better when this site wasn't on fox and retards w/ zero knowledge or intelligence weren't invading.

Then leave. I know some great forums at footballoutsiders where you can hang out with your hyper-intelligent buddies who understand the intricacies of DVOA, the most accurate ranking system ever created.

yavoon · 11-15-2005, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Blart

So what? Denver is #8 in unadjusted DVOA, below the Jaguars who we beat on the road! DVOA is a horrible system, and if you use it for any practical purpose (betting, predicting) you will lose.

Again, why does DVOA exist?

actually u will win. but thats besides the point. ur a retard,u haven't read up on dvoa. all u do is look "omg denver is 5-1 this site sees the potential of a 5-1 team!" hahahahahahaha, potential of a 5-1 team. god.

Bronx33 · 11-15-2005, 04:13 PM

I really don't give ratz arse about rankings to begin with just ask KC, what irks me is the stupid reasoning they write to justify their ignorant claims.

yavoon · 11-15-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronx33

I really don't give ratz arse about rankings to begin with just ask KC, what irks me is the stupid reasoning they write to justify their ignorant claims.

u mean to explain why the rankings occured? yah thats horrible. btw the falcons b****ed for an entire week about their ranking and then promptly lost to green bay at home.

Rock Chalk · 11-15-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

Prior to the bye week, Minnesota ranked 31st in offensive DVOA. For the five weeks since, they rank sixth, and that includes this week when the offense fell apart against the Giants. If they somehow win at Lambeau, Chicago may start looking over its shoulder. NEXT: at GB

everyone is gna have bad records but the fight to win this division could be awesome. atleast I hope so.

Yeah, but you know that division is almost always a good fight to the end.

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11-15-2005, 03:33 PM	#1
yavoon Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,260	Indy drops to #6 in outsiders, denver is now #1 strength of schedule adjustment. "Indianapolis had the easiest schedule in the league during the first 10 weeks. They have the hardest schedule in the league during the final seven weeks." http://msn.foxsports.com/name/public/NFL/PowerRankings Last edited by yavoon; 11-15-2005 at 03:37 PM..

11-15-2005, 03:34 PM	#2
yavoon Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,260	also denver is #1. shoulda made that the headline now that I thinka bout it.

11-15-2005, 03:35 PM	#3
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 46,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	I swear...any other team...and the pressure is on to go undefeated....Indy?...."They're not going to make it. That can't go undefeated."

11-15-2005, 03:36 PM	#4
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	#1 ya that sounds about right to me

11-15-2005, 03:41 PM	#5
yavoon Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,260	Prior to the bye week, Minnesota ranked 31st in offensive DVOA. For the five weeks since, they rank sixth, and that includes this week when the offense fell apart against the Giants. If they somehow win at Lambeau, Chicago may start looking over its shoulder. NEXT: at GB everyone is gna have bad records but the fight to win this division could be awesome. atleast I hope so.

11-15-2005, 03:42 PM	#6
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,973 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Jags 2, wow, thats some props there. Altho the Colts did beat them. makes you scratch your head. Chargers 4, whatever. I like being number 1, but it means nothing right now. Call me in Feb, then being number 1 will be good!

11-15-2005, 03:43 PM	#7
Blart I'm gay for the Broncos! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2,588 Adopt-a-Bronco: All @ same time	DVOA is complete crap, and I hope nobody puts any money on its predictions. Why does it even exist? Denver was #16 on DVOA when we were 5-1. Three weeks ago Aaron Shatz of FBO was claiming how great DVOA was, and how it predicted Denver's downfall over the past two years and how again this year it was right, and denver would do the annual 5-2 slide. Now everyone can see that DVOA is a joke, Indy at #6? Yikes. Last edited by Blart; 11-15-2005 at 03:52 PM..

11-15-2005, 04:00 PM	#9
Bronx33 lets go partner Rumpson Rocks Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lakewood,Colo Posts: 41,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	How the he11 is this concidered hard? for the final seven? Nov 20 @Cincinnati Nov 28 Pittsburgh Dec 4 Tennessee Dec 11 @Jacksonville Dec 18 San Diego Dec 24 @Seattle Jan 1 Arizona

11-15-2005, 04:01 PM	#10
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	I guess that he can override his statistics for the Colts alone. I guess that he isnt too impressed with his methods right now either.

11-15-2005, 04:04 PM	#14
Tw0mey Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 103	Ha, reminds me of the BCS when the champs were put to number to. Indy's undefeated, they are on top until they lose, twice. Haha.

11-15-2005, 04:13 PM	#23
Bronx33 lets go partner Rumpson Rocks Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lakewood,Colo Posts: 41,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	I really don't give ratz arse about rankings to begin with just ask KC, what irks me is the stupid reasoning they write to justify their ignorant claims.