Most underpaid players - The Orange Mane

JAPS · 11-11-2005, 09:13 AM

From http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5068128

6. RB Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell, Denver Broncos

2004: $535k salary; $790k cap value (Anderson)
$230k salary; $611k cap value (Bell)

2005: $540k salary; $795k estimated cap value (Anderson)
$305k salary; $688k cap value (Bell)

Denver is known for a highly effective offensive line and shells out big bucks to maintain that reputation. No team in the league spends a higher percentage of its overall salary cap on the offensive line than the Broncos (26 percent in 2004). Year after year, the Broncos compensate for this with an ability to get the most out of their running backs, who are efficient both as playmakers and as budget line items. A fair amount of credit needs to go to the five guys in the trenches, but the 1-2 combination of Tatum Bell and Mike Anderson has been absurdly effective this year. In fact, both are on pace to gain more than 1,000 yards.

Anderson, who didn't play last year due to injury, is seventh in the league in DPAR. With a cap value of less than $800,000, he's the lowest-paid player in the top 10. Bell, a rookie last year, ranked 19th in DPAR — despite having only 75 carries. According to our metrics, 14 different running backs had at least 300 carries and were still not as valuable as Bell. But Denver only had to pay him $230,000 in salary with a cap cost that included $381,000 pro-rated from his $1.72 million rookie signing bonus.

This year, Bell is averaging seven yards per carry, although he's only 16th in DPAR because he has a lot of short runs to go with those highlight-reel touchdowns. How much is he costing Denver? Only $75,000 more than last year. As a pair, Bell and Anderson make about as much combined as T.J. Duckett. Anderson, who signed a four- year extension to his existing contract in 2001, could see a $2 million pay raise in '06. Bell, on the other hand, is still operating under his rookie contract and is signed through '08.

1. QB Jake Plummer, Denver Broncos

2004: $660k salary; $1.7 million cap value
2005: $665k salary; $1.7 million estimated cap value

In 2003, Mike Shanahan needed a new centerpiece for his offense following the demise of the Bob, I mean, the Brian Griese Project. He signed Plummer to a seven-year, $40 million contract. Plummer has not been one of the NFL's elite quarterbacks since joining the Broncos, but he has been consistently good despite a few bone-headed flashbacks to his Arizona days. In 2004, Plummer ranked 11th in DPAR among quarterbacks, but was ranked an embarrassing 32nd in pay. That pay ranked him in line with stalwarts Patrick Ramsey and Kyle Boller. The average pay for the 10 quarterbacks above Plummer was $5 million, and Matt Hasselbeck, one spot below in our DPAR rankings, earned almost $4 million more.

So far in 2005, Plummer is playing the best football of his career. After Denver's offensive explosion against Philadelphia, he ranks fourth in DPAR, with only Tom Brady, Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning ahead of him. Plummer has 12 touchdowns this year against just three interceptions.

Plummer's transition from pauper to prince could come next year. His salary is due to jump from $665,000 to $4.3 million. Plummer will need to continue avoiding bad decisions and probably needs to take the Broncos somewhere in the playoffs this year to deserve that kind of cash.

how come we guys don't have much salary cap left?

Odysseus · 11-11-2005, 10:33 AM

What is embarrassing about this is the way the fans treated these two players during the off season. These guys did nothing but stand up for the team and the fans threw both these players under the bus as a matter of course. "The Marine is done." "Plummer sucks" It was endless.

Eventually feel good articles lead to this kind of tripe where teams are devolved back into players who ask "Hey yeah! What about ME?"

Niether one of these guys was a top shelf guy at the start of the season so the fans punking them out is a pretty common reaction. I don't think anybody thought this one two punch would be this good. I don't think even the most ardent Plummer supporters believed he would be this consistent.

They got to where they are on team effort and if the players neglect this it will show up on Sunday no matter how glowing the individual reviews.

This goes back to Shanny's "plan" of reducing costs. In an recent interview Mike Anderson was very high on the OL making breaks for him. He knows where the rubber meets the road. I really admire The Marine for what he does out there on game day.

RhymesayersDU · 11-11-2005, 10:40 AM

Where's Champ?

Garcia Bronco · 11-11-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by quiettiger

"The Marine is done." "Plummer sucks" It was endless.

.

Personally...I tried to make as much fun of these people as possible.

Odysseus · 11-11-2005, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Personally...I tried to make as much fun of these people as possible.

Tried?

BMF Bronco · 11-11-2005, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiettiger

Tried?

Happy Veterans Day brother, and thanks for doing what you do!

TotallyScrewed · 11-11-2005, 01:38 PM

No doubt. HAPPY VETS DAY!!! Stay save and come home soon!

There are always players out there who are doing more than there fair share. And the same is true for the rest of us. Hail to the Heroes!

THANKS

watermock · 11-11-2005, 01:38 PM

Well, I'd like to know what happened to that big roster bonus we gave Jake this spring...I know he redid his deal to help the cap, but his money didn't dissapear...it's just deferred...I was pretty much in the camp that said that Jake was going to be the QB for good or bad after we paid his roster bonus...

As far as MA goes, I admit, I had written him off...I'm more than happy to eat crow...but I really wondered it father time and that bad groin tear would finish him, yet alone we signed Dayne...it's nice to have that Bus idling in the garage and taking some reps in practice to take some wear and tear off MA...Cecil the Deisel make a good proxy for Johnson, altho Kyle doesn't see many snaps anyway...we run more I formation this year, which I like, but still, he's not overused.

I still expect Tater to get his number called more and more as the stakes get higher...hopefully our injury situation continues to skip over the cracks in the sidewalk...House went down and Foster is a little hobbled, Champ has been a little hobbled all year, but overall we seem to be holding up as well or better than could be expected...attrition really starts to eat into a roster in the second half...hopefully our luck holds..."crosses fingers and prays to the cat god Beezlebub of Egypt"...

watermock · 11-11-2005, 01:40 PM

Oh, and Thank You ALL VETERANS for protecting us and the world. God Bless them. Without them, football wouldn't be possible..

and in another odd twist of fate, neither would the internet...

TheManeMan · 11-11-2005, 05:58 PM

How is there no mention of Ed Reed?!?!?!?

Isnt he getting paid something like 620 grand this year? or was that last year?

kwbaum829 · 11-11-2005, 06:04 PM

I would say most O lineman get the shaft, these guys bust there arse and not alot of credit, I mean they get the expensive dinner and watch's everynow and then. But know real commitment from the front offices's. My two cents worth.. sorrry it aint worth much

Hercules Rockefeller · 11-11-2005, 06:19 PM

Jake's cap number is not correct. He was due a $6M roster bonus this year, he took some of it and will get the rest this offseason. Don't think Denver ever said what part of that $6M they paid him though. Jake's base salary was also about $3.3M going into this season and Denver paid that out as a bonus of almost $2.7M that was spread out over the rest of his deal.

His cap number is off by about $540k + whatever chunk of the $6M he took divided by 5

MA also restructured this past offseason, his cap number is not correct either.

BroncoBuff · 11-12-2005, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Jake's cap number is not correct. He was due a $6M roster bonus this year, he took some of it and will get the rest this offseason. Don't think Denver ever said what part of that $6M they paid him though. Jake's base salary was also about $3.3M going into this season and Denver paid that out as a bonus of almost $2.7M that was spread out over the rest of his deal.

His cap number is off by about $540k + whatever chunk of the $6M he took divided by 5

MA also restructured this past offseason, his cap number is not correct either.

MA seems to be making very little money . . . when you think about it, he's been really screwed in his career. 1487 yards as a rookie - so they draft Portis? Why? Why not draft a CB instead, and let MA keep his job. Plus, he signed that contract offer - but only AFTER Olandis Gary passed.

Man, that was the most foolish move ever. Remember? They were offering that several million dollar long-term contract, and Olandis said NO?!

11-11-2005, 09:13 AM	#1
JAPS Solid Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 117	Most underpaid players From http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5068128 6. RB Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell, Denver Broncos 2004: $535k salary; $790k cap value (Anderson) $230k salary; $611k cap value (Bell) 2005: $540k salary; $795k estimated cap value (Anderson) $305k salary; $688k cap value (Bell) Denver is known for a highly effective offensive line and shells out big bucks to maintain that reputation. No team in the league spends a higher percentage of its overall salary cap on the offensive line than the Broncos (26 percent in 2004). Year after year, the Broncos compensate for this with an ability to get the most out of their running backs, who are efficient both as playmakers and as budget line items. A fair amount of credit needs to go to the five guys in the trenches, but the 1-2 combination of Tatum Bell and Mike Anderson has been absurdly effective this year. In fact, both are on pace to gain more than 1,000 yards. Anderson, who didn't play last year due to injury, is seventh in the league in DPAR. With a cap value of less than $800,000, he's the lowest-paid player in the top 10. Bell, a rookie last year, ranked 19th in DPAR — despite having only 75 carries. According to our metrics, 14 different running backs had at least 300 carries and were still not as valuable as Bell. But Denver only had to pay him $230,000 in salary with a cap cost that included $381,000 pro-rated from his $1.72 million rookie signing bonus. This year, Bell is averaging seven yards per carry, although he's only 16th in DPAR because he has a lot of short runs to go with those highlight-reel touchdowns. How much is he costing Denver? Only $75,000 more than last year. As a pair, Bell and Anderson make about as much combined as T.J. Duckett. Anderson, who signed a four- year extension to his existing contract in 2001, could see a $2 million pay raise in '06. Bell, on the other hand, is still operating under his rookie contract and is signed through '08. 1. QB Jake Plummer, Denver Broncos 2004: $660k salary; $1.7 million cap value 2005: $665k salary; $1.7 million estimated cap value In 2003, Mike Shanahan needed a new centerpiece for his offense following the demise of the Bob, I mean, the Brian Griese Project. He signed Plummer to a seven-year, $40 million contract. Plummer has not been one of the NFL's elite quarterbacks since joining the Broncos, but he has been consistently good despite a few bone-headed flashbacks to his Arizona days. In 2004, Plummer ranked 11th in DPAR among quarterbacks, but was ranked an embarrassing 32nd in pay. That pay ranked him in line with stalwarts Patrick Ramsey and Kyle Boller. The average pay for the 10 quarterbacks above Plummer was $5 million, and Matt Hasselbeck, one spot below in our DPAR rankings, earned almost $4 million more. So far in 2005, Plummer is playing the best football of his career. After Denver's offensive explosion against Philadelphia, he ranks fourth in DPAR, with only Tom Brady, Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning ahead of him. Plummer has 12 touchdowns this year against just three interceptions. Plummer's transition from pauper to prince could come next year. His salary is due to jump from $665,000 to $4.3 million. Plummer will need to continue avoiding bad decisions and probably needs to take the Broncos somewhere in the playoffs this year to deserve that kind of cash. how come we guys don't have much salary cap left?

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11-11-2005, 10:33 AM	#2
Odysseus Fan of the home team Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Durango, Colorado Posts: 12,107 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mark Schlereth	What is embarrassing about this is the way the fans treated these two players during the off season. These guys did nothing but stand up for the team and the fans threw both these players under the bus as a matter of course. "The Marine is done." "Plummer sucks" It was endless. Eventually feel good articles lead to this kind of tripe where teams are devolved back into players who ask "Hey yeah! What about ME?" Niether one of these guys was a top shelf guy at the start of the season so the fans punking them out is a pretty common reaction. I don't think anybody thought this one two punch would be this good. I don't think even the most ardent Plummer supporters believed he would be this consistent. They got to where they are on team effort and if the players neglect this it will show up on Sunday no matter how glowing the individual reviews. This goes back to Shanny's "plan" of reducing costs. In an recent interview Mike Anderson was very high on the OL making breaks for him. He knows where the rubber meets the road. I really admire The Marine for what he does out there on game day.

11-11-2005, 10:40 AM	#3
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,845 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	Where's Champ?

11-11-2005, 01:38 PM	#7
TotallyScrewed Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,597	No doubt. HAPPY VETS DAY!!! Stay save and come home soon! There are always players out there who are doing more than there fair share. And the same is true for the rest of us. Hail to the Heroes! THANKS

11-11-2005, 05:58 PM	#10
TheManeMan Ring of Famer DPOY Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 5,659	How is there no mention of Ed Reed?!?!?!? Isnt he getting paid something like 620 grand this year? or was that last year?

11-11-2005, 06:04 PM	#11
kwbaum829 Just Drafted Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Oak Harbor WA. Posts: 9	I would say most O lineman get the shaft, these guys bust there arse and not alot of credit, I mean they get the expensive dinner and watch's everynow and then. But know real commitment from the front offices's. My two cents worth.. sorrry it aint worth much

11-11-2005, 06:19 PM	#12
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,013 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Jake's cap number is not correct. He was due a $6M roster bonus this year, he took some of it and will get the rest this offseason. Don't think Denver ever said what part of that $6M they paid him though. Jake's base salary was also about $3.3M going into this season and Denver paid that out as a bonus of almost $2.7M that was spread out over the rest of his deal. His cap number is off by about $540k + whatever chunk of the $6M he took divided by 5 MA also restructured this past offseason, his cap number is not correct either.