Chiefs Fans and a Player fall for the oldest trick in the book - The Orange Mane

BroncoBuff · 11-10-2005, 10:56 AM

This is too bad. I wouldda though podolak was smarter than that, actually.

NFL Fans Duped By Con Men
By Jason Shyner
Associated Press Staff Writer

OVERLAND PARK, KS (AP) A group of twenty-three Kansas City Chiefs fans, including former Chiefs player Ed Podolak, were swindled out of more than $37,000 by a Colorado confidence ring, according to a report released Tuesday by Overland Park police.

According to the report, a group of football revelers, including Podolak, a former Chiefs running back and current real estate developer, was approached by three Denver tourists while watching the Monday Night Football telecast at Blinky’s, an Overland Park gathering spot for fans. The Denver trio apparently enticed the group with a photo of a motor they claimed to be a "miracle machine" which ran on water, and generated more power than it used.

The excited group of Chiefs fans apparently spent half the night visiting ATM machines as far away as Olathe and Gladstone, retrieving a total of more than $37,000 in cash between them. The Denver trio gathered the cash up, and stating they would be right back with the motor, left the bar at around 1:30 a.m. After waiting several hours, nine of the original twenty-three presented at Overland Police headquarters a few minutes after 8 o'clock to report the fraud.

This photograph of a motor was presented to the Chiefs fans
as a self-generating "perpetual motion machine" (Photo - AP)

Such "perpetual motion" machines were a long-standing staple of sophisticated confidence schemes, though they fell out of favor with swindlers in the 1930s after a group of eminent physicists led by Albert Einstein completely debunked the idea of self-generating devices. Despite being told of this, several in the group are still holding out hope. "If you think about it, all we got was the photo," said Craye Z. Horci, one of the group. "If we had the actual machine, maybe it would work." Horci said he would go back to Blinky's next Monday night in the hopes that the Colorado trio would return with the actual motor.

Others in the group were less hopeful. "I am jaded by this," said Podolak. "You would think you could trust people who claim they have altered the laws of physics. I will be more vigilant next time." Podolak was a member of the Cheifs 1970 Super Bowl team, stories about which are available in the Ancient History section of most major university libraries.

Bronx33 · 11-10-2005, 11:00 AM

Craye Z. Horci mouth is a self-generating device......

bronco militia · 11-10-2005, 11:03 AM

bwhahahahahahahahaha!

bwhahahahahahahahaha!

this can't a be a real...link?

watermock · 11-10-2005, 11:09 AM

If the frauds could of just brought a tiny Sterling engine in there, they could of tripled their money...I saw a sterling engine run off a cup of ice and a hand...evidently, all it needs is a heat differential...

On September 27, 1816, Robert Stirling applied for a patent for his Economiser at the Chancery in Edinburgh, Scotland. By trade, Robert Stirling was actually a minister in the Church of Scotland and he continued to give services until he was eighty-six years old. But, in his spare time, he built heat engines in his home workshop. Lord Kelvin used one of the working models during some of his university classes.

In 1850 the simple and elegant dynamics of the engine were first explained by Professor McQuorne Rankine. Approximately one hundred years later, the term "Stirling engine" was coined by Rolf Meijer in order to describe all types of closed cycle regenerative gas engines.

Original engine developed in 1816
Today, Stirling engines are used in some very specialized applications, like in submarines or auxiliary power generators, where quiet operation is important. Stirling engines are unique heat engines because their theoretical efficiency is nearly equal to their theoretical maximum efficiency, known as the Carnot Cycle efficiency. Stirling engines are powered by the expansion of a gas when heated, followed by the compression of the gas when cooled. The Stirling engine contains a fixed amount of gas which is transferred back and forth between a "cold" and and a "hot" end. The "displacer piston" moves the gas between the two ends and the "power piston " changes the internal volume as the gas expands and contracts.

Solar Stirling Engine

The gasses used inside a Stirling engine never leave the engine. There are no exhaust valves that vent high-pressure gasses, as in a gasoline or diesel engine, and there are no explosions taking place. Because of this, Stirling engines are very quiet. The Stirling cycle uses an external heat source, which could be anything from gasoline to solar energy to the heat produced by decaying plants. No combustion takes place inside the cylinders of the engine.

Stirling Engine

The SES Solar Dish Stirling technology is well beyond the research and development stage, with more than 20 years of recorded operating history. The equipment is well characterized with over 25,000 hours of on-sun time. Since 1984, the Company's solar dish Stirling equipment has held the world's efficiency record for converting solar energy into grid-quality electricity. SES has teamed with the U.S. Department of Energy and Sun-Labs (NREL and Sandia National Laboratories) to endurance test and commercialize the SES solar Stirling system.

bronco militia · 11-10-2005, 11:14 AM

the ap uses image shack to host pics?...

this is bs...but funny!

watermock · 11-10-2005, 11:21 AM

The Stirling doesn't have much torque and runs on momentum, and would be difficult to governor, making it unapplicable to motor cars and such...but they should be able to spin a generator quite easily...

Craye Z. Horci must be a genius to find a way to take the odor out of gasoline...maybe it runs on Ethanol and they were too drunk to smell it...

Hotrod · 11-10-2005, 11:23 AM

classic stuff

DomCasual · 11-10-2005, 11:35 AM

Dude, you're crazy! That was pretty good, though - I have to admit. Ed Podolak was a nice touch.

watermock · 11-10-2005, 11:35 AM

Pretty Funky huh...don't worry, Mobil/Exxon are trying to snap up all the patents and diagrams and companies...

DomCasual · 11-10-2005, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watermock

Mock, has anyone ever told you that you resemble Cliff Clavin on Cheers?

Bronx33 · 11-10-2005, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomCasual

Mock, has anyone ever told you that you resemble Cliff Clavin on Cheers?

LMAO! and that leads to an interesting story about the ancient mayans and their culture.

Ratboy · 11-10-2005, 11:40 AM

crazyhorse · 11-10-2005, 11:50 AM

Generating more energy than you use is quite simple really.

A good example would be this thread. I expend very little energy while buffy expends a lot of energy.

The secret? Simple.

Make em look stupid, they expend energy for hours, sometimes days. It never takes long to get a donk revved up.

Bronx33 · 11-10-2005, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyhorse

Generating more energy than you use is quite simple really.

A good example would be this thread. I expend very little energy while buffy expends a lot of energy.

The secret? Simple.

Make em look stupid, they expend energy for hours, sometimes days. It never takes long to get a donk revved up.

Yep it bothered him........

crazyhorse · 11-10-2005, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronx33

Yep it bothered him........

See.

Bronx33 · 11-10-2005, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyhorse

See.

Yep, i already expressed that...

Kaylore · 11-10-2005, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronx33

Yep it bothered him........

Dagmar · 11-10-2005, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watermock

If the frauds could of just brought a tiny Sterling engine in there, they could of tripled their money...I saw a sterling engine run off a cup of ice and a hand...evidently, all it needs is a heat differential...

On September 27, 1816, Robert Stirling applied for a patent for his Economiser at the Chancery in Edinburgh, Scotland. By trade, Robert Stirling was actually a minister in the Church of Scotland and he continued to give services until he was eighty-six years old. But, in his spare time, he built heat engines in his home workshop. Lord Kelvin used one of the working models during some of his university classes.

In 1850 the simple and elegant dynamics of the engine were first explained by Professor McQuorne Rankine. Approximately one hundred years later, the term "Stirling engine" was coined by Rolf Meijer in order to describe all types of closed cycle regenerative gas engines.

Original engine developed in 1816
Today, Stirling engines are used in some very specialized applications, like in submarines or auxiliary power generators, where quiet operation is important. Stirling engines are unique heat engines because their theoretical efficiency is nearly equal to their theoretical maximum efficiency, known as the Carnot Cycle efficiency. Stirling engines are powered by the expansion of a gas when heated, followed by the compression of the gas when cooled. The Stirling engine contains a fixed amount of gas which is transferred back and forth between a "cold" and and a "hot" end. The "displacer piston" moves the gas between the two ends and the "power piston " changes the internal volume as the gas expands and contracts.

Solar Stirling Engine

The gasses used inside a Stirling engine never leave the engine. There are no exhaust valves that vent high-pressure gasses, as in a gasoline or diesel engine, and there are no explosions taking place. Because of this, Stirling engines are very quiet. The Stirling cycle uses an external heat source, which could be anything from gasoline to solar energy to the heat produced by decaying plants. No combustion takes place inside the cylinders of the engine.

Stirling Engine

The SES Solar Dish Stirling technology is well beyond the research and development stage, with more than 20 years of recorded operating history. The equipment is well characterized with over 25,000 hours of on-sun time. Since 1984, the Company's solar dish Stirling equipment has held the world's efficiency record for converting solar energy into grid-quality electricity. SES has teamed with the U.S. Department of Energy and Sun-Labs (NREL and Sandia National Laboratories) to endurance test and commercialize the SES solar Stirling system.

Us Scots are a crooked genius bunch...

Paladin · 11-10-2005, 12:50 PM

Crazy is always trying to push her "funkier than thou" attitude.

I'd say she is the winner.

Bob's your Information Minister · 11-10-2005, 01:00 PM

Chiefs fans are dumb and they have mullets!

bendog · 11-10-2005, 01:25 PM

I sort of thought this would be about a pregnant fan and LJ telling he'd had a vascetomy

broncosteven · 11-10-2005, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Chiefs fans are dumb and they have mullets!

You are also gay.

Not that there is any thing wrong with that

Old Dude · 11-10-2005, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff1

... "I am jaded by this," said Podolak. "You would think you could trust people who claim they have altered the laws of physics... "

Does anyone else see a flaw in this reasoning?

broncosteven · 11-10-2005, 01:50 PM

Please let these guys know I have a Bridge in London & one in Brooklyn for sale. Cheap!

Crushaholic · 11-10-2005, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyhorse

Generating more energy than you use is quite simple really.

A good example would be this thread. I expend very little energy while buffy expends a lot of energy.

The secret? Simple.

Make em look stupid, they expend energy for hours, sometimes days. It never takes long to get a donk revved up.

Come on, now. Give Broncobuff points for creativity. That was some funny ****!

11-10-2005, 10:56 AM	#1
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,440 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	Chiefs Fans and a Player fall for the oldest trick in the book This is too bad. I wouldda though podolak was smarter than that, actually. NFL Fans Duped By Con Men By Jason Shyner Associated Press Staff Writer OVERLAND PARK, KS (AP) A group of twenty-three Kansas City Chiefs fans, including former Chiefs player Ed Podolak, were swindled out of more than $37,000 by a Colorado confidence ring, according to a report released Tuesday by Overland Park police. According to the report, a group of football revelers, including Podolak, a former Chiefs running back and current real estate developer, was approached by three Denver tourists while watching the Monday Night Football telecast at Blinky’s, an Overland Park gathering spot for fans. The Denver trio apparently enticed the group with a photo of a motor they claimed to be a "miracle machine" which ran on water, and generated more power than it used. The excited group of Chiefs fans apparently spent half the night visiting ATM machines as far away as Olathe and Gladstone, retrieving a total of more than $37,000 in cash between them. The Denver trio gathered the cash up, and stating they would be right back with the motor, left the bar at around 1:30 a.m. After waiting several hours, nine of the original twenty-three presented at Overland Police headquarters a few minutes after 8 o'clock to report the fraud. This photograph of a motor was presented to the Chiefs fans as a self-generating "perpetual motion machine" (Photo - AP) Such "perpetual motion" machines were a long-standing staple of sophisticated confidence schemes, though they fell out of favor with swindlers in the 1930s after a group of eminent physicists led by Albert Einstein completely debunked the idea of self-generating devices. Despite being told of this, several in the group are still holding out hope. "If you think about it, all we got was the photo," said Craye Z. Horci, one of the group. "If we had the actual machine, maybe it would work." Horci said he would go back to Blinky's next Monday night in the hopes that the Colorado trio would return with the actual motor. Others in the group were less hopeful. "I am jaded by this," said Podolak. "You would think you could trust people who claim they have altered the laws of physics. I will be more vigilant next time." Podolak was a member of the Cheifs 1970 Super Bowl team, stories about which are available in the Ancient History section of most major university libraries.

11-10-2005, 11:09 AM	#4
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	If the frauds could of just brought a tiny Sterling engine in there, they could of tripled their money...I saw a sterling engine run off a cup of ice and a hand...evidently, all it needs is a heat differential... On September 27, 1816, Robert Stirling applied for a patent for his Economiser at the Chancery in Edinburgh, Scotland. By trade, Robert Stirling was actually a minister in the Church of Scotland and he continued to give services until he was eighty-six years old. But, in his spare time, he built heat engines in his home workshop. Lord Kelvin used one of the working models during some of his university classes. In 1850 the simple and elegant dynamics of the engine were first explained by Professor McQuorne Rankine. Approximately one hundred years later, the term "Stirling engine" was coined by Rolf Meijer in order to describe all types of closed cycle regenerative gas engines. Original engine developed in 1816 Today, Stirling engines are used in some very specialized applications, like in submarines or auxiliary power generators, where quiet operation is important. Stirling engines are unique heat engines because their theoretical efficiency is nearly equal to their theoretical maximum efficiency, known as the Carnot Cycle efficiency. Stirling engines are powered by the expansion of a gas when heated, followed by the compression of the gas when cooled. The Stirling engine contains a fixed amount of gas which is transferred back and forth between a "cold" and and a "hot" end. The "displacer piston" moves the gas between the two ends and the "power piston " changes the internal volume as the gas expands and contracts. Solar Stirling Engine The gasses used inside a Stirling engine never leave the engine. There are no exhaust valves that vent high-pressure gasses, as in a gasoline or diesel engine, and there are no explosions taking place. Because of this, Stirling engines are very quiet. The Stirling cycle uses an external heat source, which could be anything from gasoline to solar energy to the heat produced by decaying plants. No combustion takes place inside the cylinders of the engine. Stirling Engine The SES Solar Dish Stirling technology is well beyond the research and development stage, with more than 20 years of recorded operating history. The equipment is well characterized with over 25,000 hours of on-sun time. Since 1984, the Company's solar dish Stirling equipment has held the world's efficiency record for converting solar energy into grid-quality electricity. SES has teamed with the U.S. Department of Energy and Sun-Labs (NREL and Sandia National Laboratories) to endurance test and commercialize the SES solar Stirling system. Last edited by watermock; 11-10-2005 at 11:13 AM..

11-10-2005, 11:21 AM	#6
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	The Stirling doesn't have much torque and runs on momentum, and would be difficult to governor, making it unapplicable to motor cars and such...but they should be able to spin a generator quite easily... Craye Z. Horci must be a genius to find a way to take the odor out of gasoline...maybe it runs on Ethanol and they were too drunk to smell it... Last edited by watermock; 11-10-2005 at 11:26 AM..

11-10-2005, 11:35 AM	#9
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Pretty Funky huh...don't worry, Mobil/Exxon are trying to snap up all the patents and diagrams and companies... Last edited by watermock; 11-10-2005 at 11:39 AM..

11-10-2005, 11:40 AM	#12
Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,276	rofl

11-10-2005, 11:00 AM	#2
Bronx33 lets go partner Rumpson Rocks Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lakewood,Colo Posts: 41,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	Craye Z. Horci mouth is a self-generating device......

11-10-2005, 11:03 AM	#3
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,591	bwhahahahahahahahaha! bwhahahahahahahahaha! this can't a be a real...link?

11-10-2005, 11:14 AM	#5
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,591	the ap uses image shack to host pics?... this is bs...but funny!

11-10-2005, 11:23 AM	#7
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	classic stuff

11-10-2005, 11:35 AM	#8
DomCasual The Dude abides. Shameless Homer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cocytus Posts: 13,173 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gus Frerotte	Dude, you're crazy! That was pretty good, though - I have to admit. Ed Podolak was a nice touch.

11-10-2005, 11:50 AM	#13
crazyhorse All Motor!! You can only hope to contain me Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,338	Generating more energy than you use is quite simple really. A good example would be this thread. I expend very little energy while buffy expends a lot of energy. The secret? Simple. Make em look stupid, they expend energy for hours, sometimes days. It never takes long to get a donk revved up.

11-10-2005, 12:50 PM	#19
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,151	Crazy is always trying to push her "funkier than thou" attitude. I'd say she is the winner.

11-10-2005, 01:00 PM	#20
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,921 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	Chiefs fans are dumb and they have mullets!

11-10-2005, 01:25 PM	#21
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	I sort of thought this would be about a pregnant fan and LJ telling he'd had a vascetomy

11-10-2005, 01:50 PM	#24
broncosteven The Kranz Dictum MWA: Flight Director Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 29,060 Adopt-a-Bronco: MONEYBALL #38	Please let these guys know I have a Bridge in London & one in Brooklyn for sale. Cheap!

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