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Old 12-19-2005, 11:09 AM   #51
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I also read a lot about WWII, but I find the Pacific War more interesting and fewer people know much about it. I think you would be hard pressed to find an event in history that caused as many social and economic changes as WWII
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I agree Big Guy about the pacific. The carrier battles and island jumping are some incredible events. The ingenuity of our commanders and troops in that environment was simply amazing.
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And in many cases, amazing luck.
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And there lies the question that a lot of historians ask. Could we have beat the Japanese going Island to Island and not drop the Bomb? I think yes but a lot more of our boys would have died and let's not forget about the fact that man has never built a weapon that they haven't used. Sooner or later.......
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And there lies the question that a lot of historians ask. Could we have beat the Japanese going Island to Island and not drop the Bomb? I think yes but a lot more of our boys would have died and let's not forget about the fact that man has never built a weapon that they haven't used. Sooner or later.......
We could have done that or we could have continued the blockade and the napalm bombing and hundreds of thousands more would have died.
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There were dozens of nights in which our fire bombing killed more then either of those nukes. If we had invaded the number of deaths and casualties would have been horrendous. They were literally prepared to have every military aged man die to drive us off if we invaded. I've talked to several of their veterans when i lived in Japan so I know.

They would not have surrendered unless we invaded.
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They were literally prepared to have every military aged man die to drive us off if we invaded. .
Plus the women and children. Nuke was/is a terrible thing, but it saved hundreds of thousands of lives
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1790: American cotton producer Samuel Slater opens the first American cotton mill.
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1803: France formally transfers authority over the territory of Louisiana to the United States.
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1820: Missouri passes legislation that taxes single men, aged 21 to 50, one dollar.
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1860: South Carolina becomes the first state to secede from the United States, following the victory of Republican Abraham Lincoln in the presidential election.
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1880: In New York City, electric lights are installed on Broadway.
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1922: The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is formed.

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1845: The first voice synthesizer, later known as P.T. Barnum's Euphonium, is demonstrated to the public.
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1894: French officer Alfred Dreyfus is convicted of treason by a military court-martial.
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1894: The U.S. Golf Association is founded.
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1941: President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill begin their first official conference in Washington, D.C.
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December 22, 1956, marks the birthday of Colo, the first gorilla born in captivity, at the Columbus Zoo in Ohio.

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There were dozens of nights in which our fire bombing killed more then either of those nukes. If we had invaded the number of deaths and casualties would have been horrendous. They were literally prepared to have every military aged man die to drive us off if we invaded. I've talked to several of their veterans when i lived in Japan so I know.

They would not have surrendered unless we invaded.
For those that would like more information on this I strongly suggest you read Ripples of Battle by Victor Hanson. He does an incredible job analyzing how the battles of Shiloh, Okinawa, and Delium (Athens versus Thebes/Boeotian) changed the course of history and the effect they had. With the battle of Okinawa he clearly illustrates how the severe casualties that we faced there led to the decision to use the bomb on Japan.
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1814: Great Britain and the United States sign the Treaty of Ghent, formally ending the War of 1812.
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1851: A fire at the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C., destroys about two-thirds of its 55,000 volumes, including two-thirds of Thomas Jefferson's personal library.
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1906: The first radio program is broadcast.
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1946: The first live telecast of an American church service is broadcast from the Grace Episcopal Church on Broadway and Tenth Street in New York City.

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1977 AFC Divisional Playoff Game vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Saturday, December 24, 1977, 02:00 PM (Mountain Standard)

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After ties at 7, 14, and 21, veteran Jim Turner kicked a 44-yard field goal to put Denver ahead to stay as the Broncos — in their first playoff game ever — beat the perennial AFC Central Champion Steelers.

Leading 24-21, the Broncos capped their victory with two fourth-quarter interceptions by linebacker Tom Jackson, the last of which set up Craig Morton’s 34-yard game-clinching touchdown pass to Jack Dolbin.

Denver capitalized on a blocked punt and a fumble recovery for two scores in the first half, which ended 14-14. Morton and Steeler quarterback Terry Bradshaw traded touchdown passes in the second half before Turner’s kick, Jackson’s interceptions, and Morton’s arm kept Pittsburgh from the AFC title game for the first time in four years.

The Denver victory set up a third game between the AFC Western Champion Broncos and the AFC Wild Card Raiders, who split two regular season games.
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1865: The coffee percolator is patented.
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1941: Winston Churchill becomes the first British prime minister to address a joint meeting of the U.S. Congress.
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1966: Dr. Maulana Karenga, professor and chairman of Black Studies at California State University at Long Beach, organizes the first Kwanzaa celebration in Los Angeles, California.
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Polish-born French scientists Pierre and Marie Curie discovered the element radium on this day in 1898.

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Mao Zedong, founder of the People's Republic of China (1893)

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JonBenet Ramsey was found murdered in 1996
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1832: John C. Calhoun becomes the first U.S. vice president to resign from office, citing political differences with President Andrew Jackson and a desire to fill a vacant Senate seat in South Carolina.
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1869: The North American labor union Knights of Labor hold the first Labor Day ceremony in American history.
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1869: William Semple of Ohio patents chewing gum.
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1895: Auguste and Louis Lumière demonstrate the cinématographe using their film Quitting Time at the Lumière Factory, probably the first real motion picture ever made.
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1945: The U.S. Congress officially recognizes the pledge of allegiance and recommends its recitation in American classrooms.
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1916: Siberian peasant and self-proclaimed holy man Grigory Rasputin is assassinated in St. Petersburg.
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1940: Germany bombs London; fire causes widespread damage to the city.
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1952: The first hearing aid using a transistor goes on sale.
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Today is the anniversary of the 1808 birth of Andrew Johnson, one of only two U.S. presidents to be impeached. Harper's Weekly offers coverage of the 1868 impeachment, including news reports and biographies of key figures.

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Charles Goodyear, American inventor (1800)

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Happy Birthday Ray. You were ten times the linebacker as the clown they now call Ray.
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1853: U.S. minister to Mexico James Gadsden and Mexican President Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna sign the Gadsden Purchase in Mexico City.
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1880: The Transvaal province declares itself an independent Boer republic in British South Africa, instigating an armed conflict with Britain and setting the scene for the Boer War.
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1922: The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) is established through the confederation of Russia, Belarus, the Ukraine, and the Transcaucasian Federation.

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The Gadsden purchase was basically the US saying "sorry for taking all your land. We won't give it back but here is a huge amount of money for some worthless land...we suggest you take it before we decide to take the rest of your country."
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The Gadsden purchase was basically the US saying "sorry for taking all your land. We won't give it back but here is a huge amount of money for some worthless land...we suggest you take it before we decide to take the rest of your country."
Actually, we only paid about $300 a square mile for it so I don't think that was considered very much money for it. I guess Santa Anna may have thought it was.
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1775: During the first phase of the American Revolution, Patriot forces under generals Benedict Arnold and Richard Montgomery are defeated by the British defenders of the city of Québec in Canada.
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1808: French chemist Joseph Louis Gay-Lussac formulates a law of gases known as Gay-Lussac's Law.
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1879: Thomas Edison first publicly demonstrates the electric light bulb.
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1890: New York's Ellis Island opens to all immigrants to the United States.
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1946: U.S. President Harry Truman officially announces the end of World War II.

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This day in History I got married in 2003 by the same dude that married Carmen Electra and Dennis Rodman.

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Happy Anniversary Dagmar!

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Took kids to see Cheaper By the Dozen 2 yesterday, Carmen Electra looks like a two bit slut even in a family movie
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