Fade fans sound off on Denver

[Chimporilla]

Originally Posted by Raidersbane

I like how Fade fans can only mention the one point lucky victory they squeeked out under unusual conditions. They always omit the 28 point blowout the Denver put on em that occured later on in normal conditions. Its like that game never happend........but it did. This is aa even better Bronco team. Denver 38 Otown 16 (with a late gimme TD)

I like how some Bronco fans are more obsessed with the Raiders than they are with their own team (look at some of the names around here, ahem).

First of all, your memory isn't that good. The blowout you speak of took place early in the season, shortly after Rich Gannon was injured and lurpy Kerry Collins took over. As I've already pointed out, the entire team was in disarray. It was weeks later that we beat you in Denver. That was the most recent game and a more accurate representation of both teams. It still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to compare from that game because it was last year, but it's the only thing we have to work with in the way of known facts.

[Chimporilla]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Wow. That's really pathetic. I've been saying it for awhile now...as long as Norv is around, KC will continue to sweep Oakland. Maybe Collins, too.

I may have been wrong about Rob Ryan, though. He seems to have done fairly well with the scheme change.

Norv was always a bad choice and always will be. Ever since leaving the Cowboys the man had done almost nothing as an HC or even and OC.
Ryan though, is coming along. I think that when our players get a little more experience under their belts in the d-backfield, we'll be good to go on D.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Chimp, how healthy is Moss going to be this week? Seemed to me he lacked that extra gear against KC.

[Chimporilla]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Chimp, how healthy is Moss going to be this week? Seemed to me he lacked that extra gear against KC.

He'll be healthy enough to be a decoy and maybe make a catch or two like he did against KC last Sunday. Even when the guy is injured he still needs to be accounted for. But no matter how you slice it, Moss is not 100% and I think Denver would be safe in putting their #2 corner on him and paying much more attention to Jerry Porter.


It's interesting to note that when Moss' role in the gameplan has been diminished, the Raiders have scored more points. That's a simple fact. With Moss as the focal point of the passing game the Raiders didn't score more than two touchdowns in any game. The two games he hardly played at all after that, the Raiders put up 38 and 34 points. So take that for whatever it's worth.
I question the entire acquisition of Moss in the first place, but that's a whole 'nother thing entirely.

And why did Collins go 18-40 against the Chiefs? It's because he sucks, that's why.

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by Chimporilla

He'll be healthy enough to be a decoy and maybe make a catch or two like he did against KC last Sunday. Even when the guy is injured he still needs to be accounted for. But no matter how you slice it, Moss is not 100% and I think Denver would be safe in putting their #2 corner on him and paying much more attention to Jerry Porter.


It's interesting to note that when Moss' role in the gameplan has been diminished, the Raiders have scored more points. That's a simple fact. With Moss as the focal point of the passing game the Raiders didn't score more than two touchdowns in any game. The two games he hardly played at all after that, the Raiders put up 38 and 34 points. So take that for whatever it's worth.
I question the entire acquisition of Moss in the first place, but that's a whole 'nother thing entirely.

And why did Collins go 18-40 against the Chiefs? It's because he sucks, that's why.

but yet he is going to kill Denver though

[Chimporilla]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

but yet he is going to kill Denver though

Yes! Like I've said before, it doesn't matter what comes before this game, it's Raiders Vs. Broncos. All bets are off (unless you call your bookie). The Raiders will play their best game of the year this Sunday and win by double digits. After that, they'll go back to being the most underachieving team in the league, but for this game, they're all over it. It really has nothing to do with Kerry Collins. The guy sucked last year too, but he made his best throws of the entire season against Denver.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Denver takes a lot more chances on defense than KC does, IMO.

Should be interesting to see how Collins responds to that.

Hopefully Kerry doesn't throw the ball seven yards backwards out of bounds when he gets tripped up by the center this week.

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by Chimporilla

Yes! Like I've said before, it doesn't matter what comes before this game, it's Raiders Vs. Broncos. All bets are off (unless you call your bookie). The Raiders will play their best game of the year this Sunday and win by double digits. After that, they'll go back to being the most underachieving team in the league, but for this game, they're all over it. It really has nothing to do with Kerry Collins. The guy sucked last year too, but he made his best throws of the entire season against Denver.

so what was Oakland's excuse last year in the 30-3 win by Denver?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

so what was Oakland's excuse last year in the 30-3 win by Denver?

He already addressed that. Oakland was in disarray. Collins had barely had any time under center.

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

He already addressed that. Oakland was in disarray. Collins had barely had any time under center.

and it will be different this year, I know

b/c we have "cleveland north" (how it's north I'm not sure since Cleveland is north of Denver"

as opposed to our "awesome" dline last year

geez now Bob is helping out the fade fans....thanks for almost ensuring a Denver win Boob

[Bronx33]

this guy pis*ses me off so much with his stupid image where he stands on the sideline with his arm to his side looking dumbfounded. or when he looks up at the clock to see how much time is left.

norv is garbage and so his ryan. hey ryan why dont u trick the offense and run a prevent d on first and goal at the 1 yard line i am sure they will fall for it. or how about we play zone on 3rd and 3.

oh norv ur genius for sending lamont jordan as a reciever, that was going to mess the defense up really bad when u decide to run it up in the gut.

how about u do this kerry collins audibles and he goes and becomes a wr. lamont will take the qb spot and randy moss will be the rb. robert gallery will switch with jerry porter and we can use gallery as our wr. u hike the ball and u tell lamont to drop back as much as he can and let him go get a safety, this way we trick the defense in thinking we cant compete. then when we are down

we pound to rock with randy moss and he will get a dominant 1 yard gain every time. then we can have the vertical game with lamont jordan where he long bombs it five yards to gallery. (this is pure genius) norv is thinking let put gallery out there because knowone will be able to take him down.

[No1BroncoFan]

Originally Posted by Chimporilla

Put all the faith in the talking heads that you want. The fact of the matter is that every year since Elway retired and Davis was injured, the talking heads have picked Denver to be a good team; hasn't happened.
When you guys get to a playoff game and win one, I might think about considering to begin contemplating that Denver is one of the better teams in the league.

When you guys can even make the playoffs I might think about considering to begin contemplating that your opinion is worth a sh*t.

Where in the hell do these tools come from?

Ben

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

He already addressed that. Oakland was in disarray. Collins had barely had any time under center.

Boobs just trying to fan the flames of hate


Whats amazing to me is that I seem to be the only one who can tell this is not even a faider fan. Hes prolly a charger fan. The clues are right there in front of your noses.

1. Writes with complete sentences
2. Has well formed thought process (wrong but well formed)

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by No1BroncoFan

When you guys can even make the playoffs I might think about considering to begin contemplating that your opinion is worth a sh*t.

Where in the hell do these tools come from?

Ben

my guess it's Boob's alter ego

he didn't seem to interested in this thread till after this chimp guy mysteriously appeared

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

geez now Bob is helping out the fade fans....thanks for almost ensuring a Denver win Boob

The Broncos will win. I predicted this the last two days.

Your defense will be too much for Oakland. They won't run the ball and Collins will be pressured, big time.

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

The Broncos will win. I predicted this the last two days.

Your defense will be too much for Oakland. They won't run the ball and Collins will be pressured, big time.

and I've got the market cornered on reverse mojo

so that **** won't fly boob

[ludo21]

Originally Posted by Hotrod

Boobs just trying to fan the flames of hate


Whats amazing to me is that I seem to be the only one who can tell this is not even a faider fan. Hes prolly a charger fan. The clues are right there in front of your noses.

1. Writes with complete sentences
2. Has well formed thought process (wrong but well formed)

I too suspected something was up. Good joke.

The Fade will be a tough team to beat ,but this guys arguements are lame.

"Collins has been mediocre all year but on Sunday he will be a stud beacuse hes playing Denver"
"Moss hurt is better off for our team"
"Just stop the run and we win" - Boy is that getting old.
And the list goes on..............

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I'm serious. There's no way Oakland is winning. Denver is coming off a bye. Are you kidding me?

[Chimporilla]

Originally Posted by No1BroncoFan

When you guys can even make the playoffs I might think about considering to begin contemplating that your opinion is worth a sh*t.

Where in the hell do these tools come from?

Ben

So a person's opinion is worth as much as their teams win/loss percentage? Brilliant insight. Maybe I was a genius three years ago but didn't know it and all Denver fans have lost their right to prognosticate since Elway retired.

And please don't call names.

[Chimporilla]

Originally Posted by ludo21

The Fade will be a tough team to beat ,but this guys arguements are lame.

1) There is no such thing as a real football argument. An argument is based on facts and refutation thereof by an opponent. In football, there are only opinions. And my opinion is that the Raiders will win this game based on my belief that I'm right. It's called circular logic. If it can work in Kansas to refute well known scientific doctrine then it sure as hell can work when filling the atmosphere with hot air in regards to football.

2) If you think my "arguments" are lame then you are not very familiar with this rivalry.

"Collins has been mediocre all year but on Sunday he will be a stud beacuse hes playing Denver"

It happened last season in Denver. Why can't it happen now? I'm of the opinion that Collins is due to play a consistent game for four full quarters. This is based on the fact that he played poorly last week and only okay the week before. This means that this is the week he does so well that it will be hard for any outside observer to question his position as #1 quarterback for the Raiders. Then the fiasco starts all over again.

"Moss hurt is better off for our team"

All I'm saying is look at the point production when Moss hasn't played. It's really too bad you can't think very well because it would spare me the hassle of having to do it for you. The reasons the offense might be functioning better for the time being without Moss could be:*

1) Norv, being a complete moron, has not yet figured out how to integrate him into the offense effectively.
2) The chemistry and timing isn't there between Moss and Colllins like it is with Collins and Porter
3) Our playcalling is mindboggingly stupid. If you watched any Raider games, this would become quickly apparent.
4) Moss hasn't yet become comfortable in the offense. Sometimes it takes time no matter how good the player is.

*That little thingy is a colon. I suggest you... Nevermind.

"Just stop the run and we win"

I never said that.

[Chimporilla]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

my guess it's Boob's alter ego

he didn't seem to interested in this thread till after this chimp guy mysteriously appeared

Nope. I have nothing to do with any Chief fan. I can speak for myself well enough, thank you. All Bob did was point out something I'd already answered.

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by Chimporilla

1) There is no such thing as a real football argument. An argument is based on facts and refutation thereof by an opponent. In football, there are only opinions. And my opinion is that the Raiders will win this game based on my belief that I'm right. It's called circular logic. If it can work in Kansas to refute well known scientific doctrine then it sure as hell can work when filling the atmosphere with hot air in regards to football.

.

there is no room in football for talk like that

[rbackfactory80]

Originally Posted by Chimporilla

The Raiders have a good chance to beat Denver this week. Not only is Denver's road record bad this year, it's historically bad. If the Raiders can beat them on the road, in the snow, with no running game and without Randy Moss, then they can certainly take them at home with Jordan and Moss.

It's funny how Bronco fans like to portray Denver as the team that gets fired up in the Raiders vs. Broncos rivalry. It never seems to occur to you guys that the Raiders get fired up for it too. Again, witness last season when the Raiders had nothing but pride to play for while Denver wins the division. All Denver had to do was win at home in their ideal conditions in front of a national television audience. But instead, they folded in the 4th quarter and lost.

I'm a HUGE Raider fan, but that doesn't mean I don't see this team for what it is- a hugely talented squad that's coached by a reject that couldn't inspire a Pop Warner team to win a close game. Unless the Raiders can win 8 in a row or 7 out of the last 8, then I hope to see them go 5-11 (with both remaining wins coming against Denver) again to ensure the firing of Turkey Neck Norvell. I would get started on Collins but then I'm really straying.

However, this rivalry ain't like other games. It doesn't matter who's coaching for us, or if that over-rated little man Shannahan has Elway and TD to carry his game plans, it's anyone's game. Even Joe Bugel managed to pull off a win against Denver in his one pathetic season with us.

Am I predicting a Raider win? You know it! Hell, it's only my second post so I better show some kind of sack.

Raiders 27
Denver 17

That's right. It's gonna be at least a 10 point margin victory. After that, the Raiders will slide back into being the underperforming team that can't hold on to a lead or put away a game. But this Sunday, they're gonna win.
Also, then Denver can get back to winning the division and losing in the first round of the playoffs, or until they meet Indianapolis; whichever comes first.

Whatever. How do you explain us whooping your ass 31-3 at your house and then us getting beat by a point at our house. It is simple, weather.

[Chimporilla]

Originally Posted by rbackfactory80

Whatever. How do you explain us whooping your ass 31-3 at your house and then us getting beat by a point at our house. It is simple, weather.

You really need to read the whole thread. I know, it's a pain in the ass so I'll explain it one more time. The first time we played last year, Collins had just taken over the offense, Rob Ryan was in his first year as DC, and the entire team was in general disarray. I think that's pretty obvious.

By the time we got around to playing you guys again, we were more on track and won a close game in your house. While it's nice to win a game by four touchdowns, a win is still a win even if it's by only a point. So your win last year isn't somehow better than ours.

I would also like to point out that that was about the time Denver started struggling. It was the second time in three years that the Raiders had beaten the Broncos in Denver. The time before also sent them into a spiral as well.