Any UFC fans here?

[Elway 4 Life]

Originally Posted by RunByDesign

Liddell is a top 3 striker in the world, but he too, is getting old. His peak will not last too much longer and he should make some big money fights while he is still on top and get out of this contract with Dana White, who will just keep feeding him tomato cans, trying to milk every last dollar out of the uneducated American audiences, while never exposing Lidell to world-class competetition.

The next fights for Lidell should be:

1 - Rematch with Rampage
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua

He could cement his legacy with three wins right there, but White will rerun Babalu and other various cans instead. Truth be told, Couture has been in severe decline for 3 years now and Lidells' last 2 wins over him have done nothing for him (Lidell), IMO.

Babalu a tomatoe can? Chuck is on fire and rampage wouldnt last against him in a cage. Silva also would get thumped. Chuck fights all comers and the UFC is a far superior organization than pride. If some of those pride fighters were smart they would come over.

[BIM]

I had a debate with a coupla friends. They were trying to tell me a world class boxer would kick a world class UFC fighters ass any day of the week. It was useless. We almost came to blows because I wanted to prove a point that boxers can't fight as well off their feet.

Any opinions here?

[Elway 4 Life]

Originally Posted by BIM

I had a debate with a coupla friends. They were trying to tell me a world class boxer would kick a world class UFC fighters ass any day of the week. It was useless. We almost came to blows because I wanted to prove a point that boxers can't fight as well off their feet.

Any opinions here?

The best boxer in the world would lose. Stand up is just one aspect of the game. If you go into the ring with just boxing and your fighting a guy that is a world class wrestler, well-versed in BJJ, has good submissions, and also can box, that guy is gonna win unless he gets caught on his feet. Which the chances are almost nil.

It's kind of like bringing just a knife to an anything goes fight.

[BIM]

Those were my sentiments exactly. I guess the only way to settle the arguement is to knock that mutherF#$%er out.

[Elway 4 Life]

Originally Posted by BIM

Those were my sentiments exactly. I guess the only way to settle the arguement is to knock that mutherF#$%er out.

I have had the same arguement. To a boxing fanatic it's pointless to argue.

I think very few boxers could crossover to MMA and be sucessful.

[BIM]

Originally Posted by Elway 4 Life

I have had the same arguement. To a boxing fanatic it's pointless to argue.

I think very few boxers could crossover to MMA and be sucessful.

Here here!!

[Elway 4 Life]

I would love to see a boxer vs. mma fight just to see how long the boxer would last. My prediction would be about a minute.

[BIM]

I'll go with the under...

[Elway 4 Life]

Originally Posted by BIM

I'll go with the under...

Safe bet!

[BMF Bronco]

**** man, a boxer cant beat a wrestler, I have proven that point many times over!

[Elway 4 Life]

Originally Posted by BMF Bronco

**** man, a boxer cant beat a wrestler, I have proven that point many times over!

Not just a wrestler but someone with a BJJ background. fuggitaboutit

The boxer will be screaming for mommy inside of 2 minutes.

[Elway 4 Life]

It like asking a wrestler to fight a boxer with boxing rules. The wrestler is gonna be f***ed.

[BMF Bronco]

Originally Posted by Elway 4 Life

It like asking a wrestler to fight a boxer with boxing rules. The wrestler is gonna be f***ed.

yeah, but a wrestler isn't stupid enough to agree with that, nor would he get himself into that situation.

then again, look at Rocky 3, Hulk Hogan was beating the **** out of Rocky!

[RunByDesign]

Originally Posted by Elway 4 Life

Babalu a tomatoe can? Chuck is on fire and rampage wouldnt last against him in a cage. Silva also would get thumped. Chuck fights all comers and the UFC is a far superior organization than pride. If some of those pride fighters were smart they would come over.

@ "UFC is a far superior organization."

Fact is, Pride pays its fighters more, has more fans (worldwide audience), is more condusive to entertaining fights, because of the way the rules are written and the way matches are made. Pride events regularly perform to sold-out audiences of 60,000+. While UFC has caught fire recently, I wouldn't go as far as to say that it is a far superior organization.

UFC has a bad habit of employing also-rans, retreads and glorifying home-grown, club-level champions. While that is fine, it hardly provides world-class competition for its champions - who I agree, are some of the best in the world, but that really isn't the point. The point is, to perform against and defeat the best, in the best event in the world, which is Pride.

While Pride regularly makes championship weight-match fights, it also employs a Grand Prix, which determines a champion over the course of two seperate events. Multiple fights must be won in one night, to attain the championship, which is the ultimate test of a fighters will and skill. Pride also employs an open weight fight system, in which the smaller man chooses a set of rules. Alternately, Pride Bushido events reflect some of these similar rules and are shorter, more entertaining, by virtue of fight purses being deducted for stalling. Pride rules are crafted in a way which fighters have to fight to get paid, plain and simple.

Now, while Chuck is certainly on a roll, consider this, in his only Grand Prix competition, he utterly failed. Now, judging him by this baseline is in no way relevant to the present, but by virtue of Pride being a better MMA event from the ground up, saying Chuck would run through so and so and so and so, carries little weight, especially if you put him up against the best in the world in one night.

Pray tell, would he still dominate everyone?

[Elway 4 Life]

Originally Posted by BMF Bronco

yeah, but a wrestler isn't stupid enough to agree with that, nor would he get himself into that situation.

then again, look at Rocky 3, Hulk Hogan was beating the **** out of Rocky!

Your right about that. No way would a wrestler agree to that. Wrestlers are much more intelligent as a whole than boxers.

[Elway 4 Life]

Originally Posted by RunByDesign

@ "UFC is a far superior organization."

Fact is, Pride pays its fighters more, has more fans (worldwide audience), is more condusive to entertaining fights, because of the way the rules are written and the way matches are made. Pride events regularly perform to sold-out audiences of 60,000+. While UFC has caught fire recently, I wouldn't go as far as to say that it is a far superior organization.

UFC has a bad habit of employing also-rans, retreads and glorifying home-grown, club-level champions. While that is fine, it hardly provides world-class competition for its champions - who I agree, are some of the best in the world, but that really isn't the point. The point is, to perform against and defeat the best, in the best event in the world, which is Pride.

While Pride regularly makes championship weight-match fights, it also employs a Grand Prix, which determines a champion over the course of two seperate events. Multiple fights must be won in one night, to attain the championship, which is the ultimate test of a fighters will and skill. Pride also employs an open weight fight system, in which the smaller man chooses a set of rules. Alternately, Pride Bushido events reflect some of these similar rules and are shorter, more entertaining, by virtue of fight purses being deducted for stalling. Pride rules are crafted in a way which fighters have to fight to get paid, plain and simple.

Now, while Chuck is certainly on a roll, consider this, in his only Grand Prix competition, he utterly failed. Now, judging him by this baseline is in no way relevant to the present, but by virtue of Pride being a better MMA event from the ground up, saying Chuck would run through so and so and so and so, carries little weight, especially if you put him up against the best in the world in one night.

Pray tell, would he still dominate everyone?

Pride is more worldwide I'll give you that but if they dont do something soon they will lose out to the UFC. UFC has gone mainstream in the US and Canada and soon will reach out further. Not to long ago I would agree with you about the pay but not now. The endorsements that the UFC fighters are picking up are huge. There are some fighters in the UFC that would dominate in any organization. Pride has some good fighters as well but they are quickly falling behind as an organization.

[RunByDesign]

Originally Posted by Elway 4 Life

Pride has some good fighters as well but they are quickly falling behind as an organization.

UFC is gaining in popularity in the United States and Canada, no doubt, but Pride is popular throughout the MMA communities of the WORLD, whether it be Muay Thai, Wrestling, Sambo, Judo, Jui Jitsu, Submission Grappling, San Shou Kickboxing, or other various forms of MMA, it is known, revered as the #1 event and respected as THE proving ground.

With a Heavyweight Champion (Emelenianko) widely considered the best in the world, a legend for a middleweight champ (Silva) and a new Grand Prix Champion that just tore through 4 of the top 10 205 lb. fighters in the world (Rua), en route to the Grand Prix Championship, kindly explain how they are falling behind?

I unerstand the popularity and monetary gain for the UFC, but they are seriously lacking in credibility, when it comes to employing the world's best fighters. Their champions are solid, no doubt, outside of that, there leaves alot to be desired.

No wonder their champions are so dominant.

[Elway 4 Life]

Originally Posted by RunByDesign

UFC is gaining in popularity in the United States and Canada, no doubt, but Pride is popular throughout the MMA communities of the WORLD, whether it be Muay Thai, Wrestling, Sambo, Judo, Jui Jitsu, Submission Grappling, San Shou Kickboxing, or other various forms of MMA, it is known, revered as the #1 event and respected as THE proving ground.

With a Heavyweight Champion (Emelenianko) widely considered the best in the world, a legend for a middleweight champ (Silva) and a new Grand Prix Champion that just tore through 4 of the top 10 205 lb. fighters in the world (Rua), en route to the Grand Prix Championship, kindly explain how they are falling behind?

I unerstand the popularity and monetary gain for the UFC, but they are seriously lacking in credibility, when it comes to employing the world's best fighters. Their champions are solid, no doubt, outside of that, there leaves alot to be desired.

No wonder their champions are so dominant.

Rua is a very good fighter that got beat by either babalu or horn in a tourney a couple months ago that babalu eventually beat horn to win. There are a lot of very good pride fighters no doubt. But to say that after the title holders there are few contenders is ridiculous.

I'm gonna just pick the welterweight division in the UFC. Hughes is an animal and can be considered top in any organization. After him you have 2 really great fighters in st pierre and bj penn. I'd put money on either one of these 3 against any welterweight in pride.

[RunByDesign]

Originally Posted by Elway 4 Life

Rua is a very good fighter that got beat by either babalu or horn in a tourney a couple months ago that babalu eventually beat horn to win. There are a lot of very good pride fighters no doubt. But to say that after the title holders there are few contenders is ridiculous.

Actually, it was nearly three years ago: http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/f...fighterid=5707

Originally Posted by Elway 4 Life

I'm gonna just pick the welterweight division in the UFC. Hughes is an animal and can be considered top in any organization. After him you have 2 really great fighters in st pierre and bj penn. I'd put money on either one of these 3 against any welterweight in pride.

That is because, that is the one division where the UFC actually probably has superior champions and competition. The 3 fighters you listed are top 5 in the world, easily. That, and I think that Rich Franklin (185), is under-rated. I would like to see him fight some more good competition, and with his frame, I think he could easily fight at 205, maybe challenging Lidell.

In any regard, the lower weight divisions in the UFC, are its stongest classes, IMO.

[RunByDesign]

I'm as excited about the UFC as the next guy, I just think that overall, Pride is a much more entertaining and better event, from the ground up.

Needless to say, I am especially entertained and excited about some of the new faces in the UFC.

WAR FORREST GRIFFIN!!!! Woop Titos' ass!!

[Elway 4 Life]

Originally Posted by RunByDesign

I'm as excited about the UFC as the next guy, I just think that overall, Pride is a much more entertaining and better event, from the ground up.

Needless to say, I am especially entertained and excited about some of the new faces in the UFC.

WAR FORREST GRIFFIN!!!! Woop Titos' ass!!

We definatley agree that MMA rules. I have a buddy that I grew up with that fights all over mostly in K-1 and he is a gimmick more than anything. He's huge and that's about all he has going for him. I've seen him on a few pride cards. Bob Sapp would be the feller I'm talking about. I would like to see both pride and the UFC to come to some agreement and fight through cross organization. This way we the fans win.

I'm with you on forrest, i cant stand tito and was so happy chuck whopped his ass.

[RunByDesign]

Originally Posted by Elway 4 Life

We definatley agree that MMA rules. I have a buddy that I grew up with that fights all over mostly in K-1 and he is a gimmick more than anything. He's huge and that's about all he has going for him. I've seen him on a few pride cards. Bob Sapp would be the feller I'm talking about. I would like to see both pride and the UFC to come to some agreement and fight through cross organization. This way we the fans win.

I'm with you on forrest, i cant stand tito and was so happy chuck whopped his ass.

You know Bob Sapp?

Serious?

[DB-Freak]

I'm not a big fan of the UFC rules.

The rules favor wrestling and BJJ way too much.

[Rocket 7]

Originally Posted by RunByDesign

@ "UFC is a far superior organization."

Fact is, Pride pays its fighters more, has more fans (worldwide audience), is more condusive to entertaining fights, because of the way the rules are written and the way matches are made. Pride events regularly perform to sold-out audiences of 60,000+. While UFC has caught fire recently, I wouldn't go as far as to say that it is a far superior organization.

UFC has a bad habit of employing also-rans, retreads and glorifying home-grown, club-level champions. While that is fine, it hardly provides world-class competition for its champions - who I agree, are some of the best in the world, but that really isn't the point. The point is, to perform against and defeat the best, in the best event in the world, which is Pride.

While Pride regularly makes championship weight-match fights, it also employs a Grand Prix, which determines a champion over the course of two seperate events. Multiple fights must be won in one night, to attain the championship, which is the ultimate test of a fighters will and skill. Pride also employs an open weight fight system, in which the smaller man chooses a set of rules. Alternately, Pride Bushido events reflect some of these similar rules and are shorter, more entertaining, by virtue of fight purses being deducted for stalling. Pride rules are crafted in a way which fighters have to fight to get paid, plain and simple.

Now, while Chuck is certainly on a roll, consider this, in his only Grand Prix competition, he utterly failed. Now, judging him by this baseline is in no way relevant to the present, but by virtue of Pride being a better MMA event from the ground up, saying Chuck would run through so and so and so and so, carries little weight, especially if you put him up against the best in the world in one night.

Pray tell, would he still dominate everyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuLVzhvZqFc&search=ufc

[DB-Freak]

The guy can't even spell reflex right.

That video is crap and biased as **** and I'm a bigger pride fan than UFC.