Elway Video Forgery! - The Orange Mane

BroncoBuff · 11-04-2005, 06:25 AM

Did anybody ever look close at this video (below)?

After the GB SB, of course - but has anybody ever noticed that, while the camera sways back and forth with John, those fireworks stay stationary?

I'm serious here - they added the firworks later! Blatant NFL Films video forgery!

BroncoBuff · 11-04-2005, 07:01 AM

Really, BroncoBuff? How do you figure they did it?

B-Love · 11-04-2005, 07:02 AM

When confronted with these types of scams, Steve Sabol always retorts, "hey, we're in the business of storytelling". We're storytellers".

You have to be keen to catch some of his deceptions but they are frequent.

In almost every episode where someone is mic'd, he'll use a miking of that player from another game that he played in, if the soundbite fits the overall them of the "story being told".

You have to look no further than his Super Bowl 32 Greatest Games. On at least 25-30 occasions, he uses sound bites from a meaningless preseason game between Denver and Green Bay in August of 1998, and splices those soundbites into the film of the Greatest Super Bowl ever.

What a sham. Just because that 98 preseason game was played in Denver, and as such the teams were wearing the same uniforms they were in SB 32, he gets away with it.

A while back someone started a thread after he debuted the SB 32 Greatest Games show. And some newbie poster was like, "man can you believe what smack Favre was talking to Romo during the Super Bowl??!!"

LMAO, that nonsense was from the '98 preseason game.

BroncoBuff · 11-04-2005, 07:07 AM

Wow, B-Love, that's a lotta good insight! I can't wait to see the SB 32 show again.

Obviously, the TD migraine and decoy stuff is SB - and the Packers saying "We're better than this!". etc.. is SB ...

that's all I remember now, but that is really interesting. I thought I had stumbled on a rarity.

Jesterhole · 11-04-2005, 07:56 AM

I remember one particular case in the SB 32 video. When TD came to the sideline saying he couldn't see, Shanahan was telling him to go back into the game. He said "...if you're not in there, they're never going to believe we're going to throw the ball..."

He meant to say 'run' the ball, and in later edited versions of the same movie, NFL films corrects this bit and changed the audio to 'run'. If you listen to this line, it sounds pretty funky, like an edited for TV movie.

bronco militia · 11-04-2005, 08:04 AM

you're just noticing this now?

Bronx33 · 11-04-2005, 08:11 AM

This just floored me! i gotta have some time to think, if you will excuse me.

Garcia Bronco · 11-04-2005, 08:57 AM

I actually think that image is from the..Disney commercial.

Sodak · 11-04-2005, 12:47 PM

I don't think the game ever happened. They faked it on a Hollywood movie set.

Don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see...

Broncos Rule · 11-04-2005, 12:55 PM

The same movie set where they faked the moon landings?

Popps · 11-04-2005, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Love

When confronted with these types of scams, Steve Sabol always retorts, "hey, we're in the business of storytelling". We're storytellers".

You have to be keen to catch some of his deceptions but they are frequent.

I work for a large TV network doing mixing/editing for radio and on-air promos. It's commonplace. We pull bytes from old shows to promote new episodes, etc. It's never even given a second thought.

Rocket 7 · 11-04-2005, 01:36 PM

The dinosaurs were fake in Jurassic Park

Dagmar · 11-04-2005, 01:46 PM

Damn. This sucks. I've only ever seen those games on ESPN, NFL's Greatest Games.

Now I discover it's all lies.

LIES!!!

DAMNDED FRICKIN' LIES!!!

I've been WMDed all over again!

Okay, calm now. seems we'll just have to win it this year so I can see a true one!

Taco John · 11-04-2005, 01:56 PM

The part where they'd superimpose Elway over a scene of fireworks exploding doesn't really bother me at all. That's just imagery, and it really captures the moment.

The part where they'd splice in other games, that's where I'm bothered. There's just no place for that.

ludo21 · 11-04-2005, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

The part where they'd superimpose Elway over a scene of fireworks exploding doesn't really bother me at all. That's just imagery, and it really captures the moment.

The part where they'd splice in other games, that's where I'm bothered. There's just no place for that.

I agree. I have no problem with them making the moment even better.

I really hate to find them inserting comments and in game plays from a game that had taken place earlier, very annoying.

GreatBronco16 · 11-04-2005, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dipsomaniac

The dinosaurs were fake in Jurassic Park

So was the Great White from Jaws.

BroncoBuff · 11-04-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

you're just noticing this now?

No, I always noticed it, I just never knew anybody to talk to about it until I joined this thing 3 months ago . . .

No Broncos fans up here.

BroncoBuff · 11-04-2005, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

The part where they'd superimpose Elway over a scene of fireworks exploding doesn't really bother me at all. That's just imagery, and it really captures the moment.

The part where they'd splice in other games, that's where I'm bothered. There's just no place for that.

Like when the Ravens Defense pressures the QB into throwing a weak duck into the flat, and all of a sudden the Genie from Aladdin intercepts it and scores a TD? That bugged me, too.

Kaylore · 11-05-2005, 12:36 AM

I'm a film major (working on a soul-draining shoot right now, actually). I pretty much take Taco's possition on this. Basically they are telling a story and so will "fluff up" aspects of a certain event. Now some people might be pissed about this but good storytellers embellish all the time. The trick is to do so without getting to where the actual events you've presented are flagrantly different from the truth. See Michael Moore's later work for further examples.

watermock · 11-05-2005, 02:40 AM

I read that Conan didn't really exist and that Light Sabers don't either...

Worst was finding out Elway was just a computer generated player for ratings...we actually had a cloaked Martian back there...The Martian runs the Crush now...the real Elway remains locked up and given plenty of bud.

orange 4 life · 11-05-2005, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Love

When confronted with these types of scams, Steve Sabol always retorts, "hey, we're in the business of storytelling". We're storytellers".

You have to be keen to catch some of his deceptions but they are frequent.

In almost every episode where someone is mic'd, he'll use a miking of that player from another game that he played in, if the soundbite fits the overall them of the "story being told".

You have to look no further than his Super Bowl 32 Greatest Games. On at least 25-30 occasions, he uses sound bites from a meaningless preseason game between Denver and Green Bay in August of 1998, and splices those soundbites into the film of the Greatest Super Bowl ever.

What a sham. Just because that 98 preseason game was played in Denver, and as such the teams were wearing the same uniforms they were in SB 32, he gets away with it.

A while back someone started a thread after he debuted the SB 32 Greatest Games show. And some newbie poster was like, "man can you believe what smack Favre was talking to Romo during the Super Bowl??!!"

LMAO, that nonsense was from the '98 preseason game.

good info as always b-love!!

ive heard some of that footage, and EVERY time i think it doesnt quite fit.
doesnt quite look right, sound right, etc.

funny to find out that it isnt me, but in fact its nfl films and im just enough of a fan to catch it.
i think most casual fans and alot of HARDCORE fans wouldnt notice.
heck, i consider myself as big a bronco fan as anyone on the planet, and i didnt know for sure.

hmmm, good stuff.

Lord knows you are our films guru, and i thank you for that.
i know we can always count on you to get good archive (and sad that '98 is in the "archives") information on our team.
well done my friend.

jake

-Slap- · 11-05-2005, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Love

When confronted with these types of scams, Steve Sabol always retorts, "hey, we're in the business of storytelling". We're storytellers".

You have to be keen to catch some of his deceptions but they are frequent.

In almost every episode where someone is mic'd, he'll use a miking of that player from another game that he played in, if the soundbite fits the overall them of the "story being told".

You have to look no further than his Super Bowl 32 Greatest Games. On at least 25-30 occasions, he uses sound bites from a meaningless preseason game between Denver and Green Bay in August of 1998, and splices those soundbites into the film of the Greatest Super Bowl ever.

What a sham. Just because that 98 preseason game was played in Denver, and as such the teams were wearing the same uniforms they were in SB 32, he gets away with it.

A while back someone started a thread after he debuted the SB 32 Greatest Games show. And some newbie poster was like, "man can you believe what smack Favre was talking to Romo during the Super Bowl??!!"

LMAO, that nonsense was from the '98 preseason game.

The great thing about pandering to the lowest common denominator is that they actually seem to like it. Sports are not scripted TV shows, they're not commercials, they're the only true reality shows that have ever existed. Its insulting when some hamfisted boob like Sabol tries to edit reality by interjecting artificial elements into the "storyline".

They can doctor up a Disney commercial however they want, but NFL highlight footage shouldn't have to be spiffed up for the MTV flash edit generation. Its a frigging joke. Isn't the product enough? Isn't the best QB matchup in Super Bowl history and a nailbiting finish dramatic enough?

11-04-2005, 06:25 AM	#1
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,433 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	Elway Video Forgery! Did anybody ever look close at this video (below)? After the GB SB, of course - but has anybody ever noticed that, while the camera sways back and forth with John, those fireworks stay stationary? I'm serious here - they added the firworks later! Blatant NFL Films video forgery!

11-05-2005, 02:40 AM	#20
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	I read that Conan didn't really exist and that Light Sabers don't either... Worst was finding out Elway was just a computer generated player for ratings...we actually had a cloaked Martian back there...The Martian runs the Crush now...the real Elway remains locked up and given plenty of bud. Last edited by watermock; 11-05-2005 at 02:42 AM..

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11-04-2005, 07:01 AM	#2
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,433 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	Really, BroncoBuff? How do you figure they did it?

11-04-2005, 07:02 AM	#3
B-Love Ring of Famer They're killin me Whitey, they're killin me!! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 4,266	When confronted with these types of scams, Steve Sabol always retorts, "hey, we're in the business of storytelling". We're storytellers". You have to be keen to catch some of his deceptions but they are frequent. In almost every episode where someone is mic'd, he'll use a miking of that player from another game that he played in, if the soundbite fits the overall them of the "story being told". You have to look no further than his Super Bowl 32 Greatest Games. On at least 25-30 occasions, he uses sound bites from a meaningless preseason game between Denver and Green Bay in August of 1998, and splices those soundbites into the film of the Greatest Super Bowl ever. What a sham. Just because that 98 preseason game was played in Denver, and as such the teams were wearing the same uniforms they were in SB 32, he gets away with it. A while back someone started a thread after he debuted the SB 32 Greatest Games show. And some newbie poster was like, "man can you believe what smack Favre was talking to Romo during the Super Bowl??!!" LMAO, that nonsense was from the '98 preseason game.

11-04-2005, 07:07 AM	#4
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,433 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	Wow, B-Love, that's a lotta good insight! I can't wait to see the SB 32 show again. Obviously, the TD migraine and decoy stuff is SB - and the Packers saying "We're better than this!". etc.. is SB ... that's all I remember now, but that is really interesting. I thought I had stumbled on a rarity.

11-04-2005, 07:56 AM	#5
Jesterhole Ring of Famer Ridin' the McFailboat... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,036	I remember one particular case in the SB 32 video. When TD came to the sideline saying he couldn't see, Shanahan was telling him to go back into the game. He said "...if you're not in there, they're never going to believe we're going to throw the ball..." He meant to say 'run' the ball, and in later edited versions of the same movie, NFL films corrects this bit and changed the audio to 'run'. If you listen to this line, it sounds pretty funky, like an edited for TV movie.

11-04-2005, 08:04 AM	#6
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,584	you're just noticing this now?

11-04-2005, 08:11 AM	#7
Bronx33 lets go partner Rumpson Rocks Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lakewood,Colo Posts: 41,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	This just floored me! i gotta have some time to think, if you will excuse me.

11-04-2005, 08:57 AM	#8
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	I actually think that image is from the..Disney commercial.

11-04-2005, 12:47 PM	#9
Sodak Clueless... Who stole my avatar? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Black Hills of Dakota Posts: 3,080	I don't think the game ever happened. They faked it on a Hollywood movie set. Don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see...

11-04-2005, 12:55 PM	#10
Broncos Rule Seasoned Veteran Nemo has been found! Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 374	The same movie set where they faked the moon landings?

11-04-2005, 01:36 PM	#12
Rocket 7 Formerly known as Dipso Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 4,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Smith 70	The dinosaurs were fake in Jurassic Park

11-04-2005, 01:46 PM	#13
Dagmar ...there ain't no devil ..there's just God when he's drunk. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Morrison Posts: 17,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tim Tebow	Damn. This sucks. I've only ever seen those games on ESPN, NFL's Greatest Games. Now I discover it's all lies. LIES!!! DAMNDED FRICKIN' LIES!!! I've been WMDed all over again! Okay, calm now. seems we'll just have to win it this year so I can see a true one!

11-04-2005, 01:56 PM	#14
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	The part where they'd superimpose Elway over a scene of fireworks exploding doesn't really bother me at all. That's just imagery, and it really captures the moment. The part where they'd splice in other games, that's where I'm bothered. There's just no place for that.

11-05-2005, 12:36 AM	#19
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,037 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	I'm a film major (working on a soul-draining shoot right now, actually). I pretty much take Taco's possition on this. Basically they are telling a story and so will "fluff up" aspects of a certain event. Now some people might be pissed about this but good storytellers embellish all the time. The trick is to do so without getting to where the actual events you've presented are flagrantly different from the truth. See Michael Moore's later work for further examples.