Plummer--Long Term - The Orange Mane

kirby33 · 11-03-2005, 07:46 PM

If jake continues to progress, and since he only gets sacked 10 to 20 times a year, couldnt we say that he could start and lead this team for another 5 to 7 years. I am not sold on him completely, but if he contiunes, that takes alot of stress away and shapes our draft picks in a different direction. I would love not to worry about who is going to play qb for a long time, preferrably 16 years like god himself.

baja · 11-03-2005, 07:55 PM

This is clearly the year that Jake's future as a Bronco will be decided. He is progressing nicely and the learning curb for a quarterback in Shanny's system is three years. Hopefully in couple of more games we can say Jake has arrived. I think if Jake ever learns to lead the receiver with the long ball he will become more dangerous expediently.

NFLBRONCO · 11-03-2005, 08:00 PM

Say he continues like he's doing now and we get to playoffs and lose again. My question is would you be satisfied with him long term or does playoff wins weigh more then solid seasons.

TheReverend · 11-03-2005, 08:23 PM

Id like us to keep Jake for 5 more years and draft a good QB in 4 so he can ride the pine behind the snake his rookie year.

TheReverend · 11-03-2005, 08:23 PM

...and you never know, Van Pelt may turn to be the next big thing.

Taco John · 11-03-2005, 08:36 PM

This thread is going to go over like Motley Crew on the Church PA system during Communion.

wabbit · 11-04-2005, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by baja fan

This is clearly the year that Jake's future as a Bronco will be decided. He is progressing nicely and the learning curb for a quarterback in Shanny's system is three years...

He has learned well, and, although much of the season has yet to play out,
the murmerings I heard all the time out at Dove Valley have stopped for now.

He is doing what Shanahan & Kubiak have tried to get him to do for two & half seasons...check down & throw...not look for Rod, check somebody else, check Rod again & throw anyway.

I know that's not really fair, but it's the perceived truth.

He KNOWS Smith will catch the ball...he's gaining confidence in Lelie it seems, he isn't all that sure about Putzier, but Alexander gained some ground with that EZ catch Sunday & Bell, well, Bell is still learning while Anderson is just ok...little YAC.

All that seems to mix in his head as he's looking around in the two or three seconds he has...now, he checks down & throws to the open receiver...sometimes the receiver drops the ball (as Plummer might have worried he would) & everyone yells 'damn!', but Plummer is actually running the offense the way it was designed.

Yea

Ballhawk · 11-04-2005, 01:28 AM

Plummer has maybe two years left after this one, then his mobility will be in decline. I think if the opprotunity presents itself in 2007 Shanny will pull the trigger on a qb to learn the system for a year behind Jake.

Taco John · 11-04-2005, 01:36 AM

I'll be personally suprised if Plummer is our starter in 2008... maybe even 2007. I'm of the belief that we'll be drafting someone this April to come up under Plummer for a year or two (depending on play). I think that's the situation that Shanahan was hoping to bring Griese up in, up until Bubby Brister collapsed under the pressure of living up to the legend in the preseason.

x123z · 11-04-2005, 06:29 AM

Van Pelt had to have made great strides to be number 2. If this continues he will be the replacement for Plummer.

BroncoBuff · 11-04-2005, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

...and you never know, Van Pelt may turn to be the next big thing.

I agree - it might sound like in-state-homer talking, but BVP opened my eyes up real big this pre-season.

All of Jake's skills . . . same competitive fire . . . not as experienced obviously, but . . . SMARTER!

Next pre-season will be pretty interesting.

BroncoInferno · 11-04-2005, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

I'll be personally suprised if Plummer is our starter in 2008... maybe even 2007. I'm of the belief that we'll be drafting someone this April to come up under Plummer for a year or two (depending on play). I think that's the situation that Shanahan was hoping to bring Griese up in, up until Bubby Brister collapsed under the pressure of living up to the legend in the preseason.

Yes, Taco, we know. You've already told us that we will draft a QB even if Plummer wins us a Super Bowl.

If Jake plays in the second half of the season the way he did in the first, you can forget about a QB in round one. It simply won't happen. Maybe round 2 or 3 if the right guy is there. Maybe.

Now, if he plays more like the Jake from the second half of last season, then it becomes a possibility, but no slam dunk. This is not going to be a particularly good year for QBs, and unless the Skins pick ends up in the top 5, we likely won't have the chance to get a real blue chipper. Even in this senario, you probably won't see get a chance at a good value pick until the 2nd or 3rd. Leinart's a pipe dream, you might as well forget about that.

Atlas · 11-04-2005, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

Say he continues like he's doing now and we get to playoffs and lose again. My question is would you be satisfied with him long term or does playoff wins weigh more then solid seasons.

Odds are Denver is going to lose in the playoffs since only one team can go undefeated.
Are the other QBs failures??

Hercules Rockefeller · 11-04-2005, 07:14 AM

Hate to break it to everyone, but we were saying the same things during the '03 season when he was 9-2 with a 15-7 TD-Int ratio. Then we got 20 pick Jake that decided he was too good with his right arm, and wanted to see what he could do if he threw with his left. Jake has been too errtic through out his career for anyone to make a strong argument that, this time, Jake really has turned the corner. Maybe he has, but no one will know that until this point next season. Jake will be the starter at least through the '06 season, but they're going to be looking for a QB early either this year or next. Early doesn't necessarily mean 1st round like some who want to argue that since only Leinart is the only 1st round pick at this point and Denver won't be high enough to draft him, ergo Denver won't take a QB this year. The claim that BVP *could* be the starter is even more tenuous then the Jake has turned the corner argument. So BVP is now the back-up, fantastic. He still has not taken one meaningful snap in a real NFL game, while we've seen Jake get it done more often then not this season.

baja · 11-04-2005, 07:17 AM

Shanny has got to sense he has a shot to go all the way with this team. Given that mind set don't you think if BVP was not a ligit back up QB that Shanny would never let so much ride on him. Shanny, the quarterback guru, sees BVP in practice each and every day and he is the #2 guy, this tells me that this kid might be in the Broncos future plans......

Hercules Rockefeller · 11-04-2005, 07:21 AM

and how many players in the past decade has Shanahan thought were part of the plan, only to see them crumple when they hit the field and it actually mattered?

Ballhawk · 11-04-2005, 07:25 AM

Shanny has built this team for a 3 year run, much like 96-98. On D he is going to lock up Warren, CB and Pryce. Our LBs are all locked up for the next 3 years. With CBs DWill, Foxworth and Champ we are set for 3 years. The only missing part is a great S. On O Bell will be the starter in 2006. Rod may last 2 years as starter 1 year as #3 WR. Other pieces can be added, but this is a core group that should be together for 3 years. He is not going to hand it over to a rookie.

maven · 11-04-2005, 07:28 AM

BVP is already 25 years old & hasn't played a down in the NFL. I think Denver will bring in a QB in the upcoming draft or wait till 2007. Denver needs a young qb with lots of skills.

BroncoInferno · 11-04-2005, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Hate to break it to everyone, but we were saying the same things during the '03 season when he was 9-2 with a 15-7 TD-Int ratio. Then we got 20 pick Jake that decided he was too good with his right arm, and wanted to see what he could do if he threw with his left. Jake has been too errtic through out his career for anyone to make a strong argument that, this time, Jake really has turned the corner. Maybe he has, but no one will know that until this point next season. Jake will be the starter at least through the '06 season, but they're going to be looking for a QB early either this year or next. Early doesn't necessarily mean 1st round like some who want to argue that since only Leinart is the only 1st round pick at this point and Denver won't be high enough to draft him, ergo Denver won't take a QB this year. The claim that BVP *could* be the starter is even more tenuous then the Jake has turned the corner argument. So BVP is now the back-up, fantastic. He still has not taken one meaningful snap in a real NFL game, while we've seen Jake get it done more often then not this season.

The same argument you are making against BVP will be true of any QB we draft. Still, I could us us going QB in the 2nd or 3rd if the right guy is sitting there.

bendog · 11-04-2005, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

Say he continues like he's doing now and we get to playoffs and lose again. My question is would you be satisfied with him long term or does playoff wins weigh more then solid seasons.

It would depend on the loss. The offense looks like it did in Indy last year, I may cancel the nfl sat package alltoghether, and just catch a couple of games at bars. They get into a shootout with some team and lose 28-30 or something, and I'm prolly ok.

Elway 4 Life · 11-04-2005, 08:07 AM

How about this......give jake a solid #2 reciever and dont tell me lelie is solid. We need a solid #2 option for him. We need a consistent TE not a TE by commitee. If that happens jake will flourish in that offense. Until then we know rod is there always, lelie is ther every once in a while and the TE's are just ok. If we fix this we are a solid contender for the next couple of years with the SNAKE.

errand · 11-04-2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

Say he continues like he's doing now and we get to playoffs and lose again. My question is would you be satisfied with him long term or does playoff wins weigh more then solid seasons.

Depends on how we lose the playoff games...if we keep giving up 35 points in a half, I find it hard for anyone outside of TJ and his cronies to blame Jake for that.

watermock · 11-04-2005, 10:04 AM

At this point, I'm happy with Jake and BVP...I don't think the highly rated QB's need to be considered at least for this year unless something bad happens...noone has ever said Jake is Elway, but he's playing well, very well...I was on the get a QBOTF bandwagon for awhile, but Jake and BVP have played well...I don't bother with the draft till after the season is over, or lost...I'm just having fun rooting against Portis and Gibbs at this point...and watching us win....

DrFate · 11-04-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Elway 4 Life

How about this......give jake a solid #2 reciever and dont tell me lelie is solid. We need a solid #2 option for him. We need a consistent TE not a TE by commitee. If that happens jake will flourish in that offense. Until then we know rod is there always, lelie is ther every once in a while and the TE's are just ok. If we fix this we are a solid contender for the next couple of years with the SNAKE.

I'd like to see us make a couple moves on offense to provide more options. The Plummer bashers refuse to see that our draft and FA moves for 2+ are all defense. We have lost Sharpe, Portis, and Droughns off the offense and invested few picks and no FA money. We got DJ and DW and Foxworth via the draft, we got Bailey for Portis, we sign Lynch and Gold via FA, we trade Droughns for the Cleveland gang. All those guys are playing well, I'm not trying to diminish what they have done. The reality is we need a guard/center, a true #1 WR and a true threat at TE.

Elway 4 Life · 11-04-2005, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DrFate

I'd like to see us make a couple moves on offense to provide more options. The Plummer bashers refuse to see that our draft and FA moves for 2+ are all defense. We have lost Sharpe, Portis, and Droughns off the offense and invested few picks and no FA money. We got DJ and DW and Foxworth via the draft, we got Bailey for Portis, we sign Lynch and Gold via FA, we trade Droughns for the Cleveland gang. All those guys are playing well, I'm not trying to diminish what they have done. The reality is we need a guard/center, a true #1 WR and a true threat at TE.

Amen brother. All I want for Christmas is what you said and Salma Hayek in a maid outfit!

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11-03-2005, 07:46 PM	#1
kirby33 The Bronco Fan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: garden city kansas Posts: 95	Plummer--Long Term If jake continues to progress, and since he only gets sacked 10 to 20 times a year, couldnt we say that he could start and lead this team for another 5 to 7 years. I am not sold on him completely, but if he contiunes, that takes alot of stress away and shapes our draft picks in a different direction. I would love not to worry about who is going to play qb for a long time, preferrably 16 years like god himself.

11-03-2005, 07:55 PM	#2
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,763 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	This is clearly the year that Jake's future as a Bronco will be decided. He is progressing nicely and the learning curb for a quarterback in Shanny's system is three years. Hopefully in couple of more games we can say Jake has arrived. I think if Jake ever learns to lead the receiver with the long ball he will become more dangerous expediently.

11-03-2005, 08:00 PM	#3
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,381	Say he continues like he's doing now and we get to playoffs and lose again. My question is would you be satisfied with him long term or does playoff wins weigh more then solid seasons.

11-03-2005, 08:23 PM	#4
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 32,966 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	Id like us to keep Jake for 5 more years and draft a good QB in 4 so he can ride the pine behind the snake his rookie year.

11-03-2005, 08:36 PM	#6
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	This thread is going to go over like Motley Crew on the Church PA system during Communion.

11-04-2005, 01:28 AM	#8
Ballhawk Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,132	Plummer has maybe two years left after this one, then his mobility will be in decline. I think if the opprotunity presents itself in 2007 Shanny will pull the trigger on a qb to learn the system for a year behind Jake.

11-04-2005, 01:36 AM	#9
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I'll be personally suprised if Plummer is our starter in 2008... maybe even 2007. I'm of the belief that we'll be drafting someone this April to come up under Plummer for a year or two (depending on play). I think that's the situation that Shanahan was hoping to bring Griese up in, up until Bubby Brister collapsed under the pressure of living up to the legend in the preseason.

11-04-2005, 06:29 AM	#10
x123z old Fan old fan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 254	Van Pelt had to have made great strides to be number 2. If this continues he will be the replacement for Plummer.

11-04-2005, 07:14 AM	#14
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Hate to break it to everyone, but we were saying the same things during the '03 season when he was 9-2 with a 15-7 TD-Int ratio. Then we got 20 pick Jake that decided he was too good with his right arm, and wanted to see what he could do if he threw with his left. Jake has been too errtic through out his career for anyone to make a strong argument that, this time, Jake really has turned the corner. Maybe he has, but no one will know that until this point next season. Jake will be the starter at least through the '06 season, but they're going to be looking for a QB early either this year or next. Early doesn't necessarily mean 1st round like some who want to argue that since only Leinart is the only 1st round pick at this point and Denver won't be high enough to draft him, ergo Denver won't take a QB this year. The claim that BVP could be the starter is even more tenuous then the Jake has turned the corner argument. So BVP is now the back-up, fantastic. He still has not taken one meaningful snap in a real NFL game, while we've seen Jake get it done more often then not this season.

11-04-2005, 07:17 AM	#15
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,763 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Shanny has got to sense he has a shot to go all the way with this team. Given that mind set don't you think if BVP was not a ligit back up QB that Shanny would never let so much ride on him. Shanny, the quarterback guru, sees BVP in practice each and every day and he is the #2 guy, this tells me that this kid might be in the Broncos future plans......

11-04-2005, 07:21 AM	#16
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	and how many players in the past decade has Shanahan thought were part of the plan, only to see them crumple when they hit the field and it actually mattered?

11-04-2005, 07:25 AM	#17
Ballhawk Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,132	Shanny has built this team for a 3 year run, much like 96-98. On D he is going to lock up Warren, CB and Pryce. Our LBs are all locked up for the next 3 years. With CBs DWill, Foxworth and Champ we are set for 3 years. The only missing part is a great S. On O Bell will be the starter in 2006. Rod may last 2 years as starter 1 year as #3 WR. Other pieces can be added, but this is a core group that should be together for 3 years. He is not going to hand it over to a rookie.

11-04-2005, 07:28 AM	#18
maven ★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆ Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,739	BVP is already 25 years old & hasn't played a down in the NFL. I think Denver will bring in a QB in the upcoming draft or wait till 2007. Denver needs a young qb with lots of skills.

11-04-2005, 08:07 AM	#21
Elway 4 Life Pass rushers apply here! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,806 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	How about this......give jake a solid #2 reciever and dont tell me lelie is solid. We need a solid #2 option for him. We need a consistent TE not a TE by commitee. If that happens jake will flourish in that offense. Until then we know rod is there always, lelie is ther every once in a while and the TE's are just ok. If we fix this we are a solid contender for the next couple of years with the SNAKE.

11-04-2005, 10:04 AM	#23
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	At this point, I'm happy with Jake and BVP...I don't think the highly rated QB's need to be considered at least for this year unless something bad happens...noone has ever said Jake is Elway, but he's playing well, very well...I was on the get a QBOTF bandwagon for awhile, but Jake and BVP have played well...I don't bother with the draft till after the season is over, or lost...I'm just having fun rooting against Portis and Gibbs at this point...and watching us win....