How good can the Broncos really be? - The Orange Mane

eddie mac · 10-30-2005, 05:20 PM

IMO they can be the best team in the NFL if they can show a little more consistency in the 2nd half of games on both sides of the ball.

We've all seen what our offense and defense can do for an entire half against teams, New England, Philadelphia, Kansas City.

If we can show the same consistency on the road and keep playing for an entire game we can be great.

Tatum Bell and Mike Anderson are the best running back tandem this league has seen in a long-time and look at the way Jake Plummer's playing, mistake free football.

The defense is putting pressure on but just not getting the sack numbers. How may times were Brady and McNabb on their asses in our games?

Young CB's making tremedous plays when at the start of the season they weren't expected to be even in there.

A Special Teams unit that is pinning teams back and making tackles when required.

Dont think I've been this hyped about a Denver team in a long-time although the second-half shenanigans need to stop otherwise I may not see out the rest of the season

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ro_50 · 10-30-2005, 05:27 PM

They have a chance to be the best Denver team since the Super Bowl team.

But that lack of concentration or whatever it is that allows those teams to get back in it are troublesome.

They did rebound today and made the big plays at the end.

One thing is, they have to keep winning to avoid another early round showdown w/ the Colts in the playoffs.

Cuz they are not going to lose for awhile (if they get past the Pats next week or in a couple of weeks, cant remember off the top of my head when that game is).

dbroncos31 · 10-30-2005, 05:28 PM

against KC we played a full game, and againts Philly we p[ayed the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarter well

dbroncos31 · 10-30-2005, 05:28 PM

pats colts is next monday

SoCalBronco · 10-30-2005, 05:29 PM

It will be important to take care the teams we have to take care of, such as Oakland, NY Jets and Baltimore. If we can get those 4 wins, that will take us up to 10 just by itself.

Spider · 10-30-2005, 05:32 PM

We are seeing the same team as last year , the only differense is all phases of the team is clicking .......... Last 2 years either the offense se=tepped up or the defense , but rarely did they step up at the same time ....... Now we are seeing it this year .... took awhile but now it is here .............The team all of us "Homers "knew the Broncos were ..........

eddie mac · 10-30-2005, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

It will be important to take care the teams we have to take care of, such as Oakland, NY Jets and Baltimore. If we can get those 4 wins, that will take us up to 10 just by itself.

If we play to our potential we should be 8-2 going into Dallas and then on to KC. Those 2 games are the most pivotal to where we'll rank going into the playoffs.

Ray Finkle · 10-30-2005, 05:33 PM

The only thing that can stop this team IS this team....

Willynowei · 10-30-2005, 05:51 PM

We certainly have the talent to be the #1 team in the league.

But the edge of talent in the NFL is minute. Every team is talented.

ZachKC · 10-30-2005, 05:56 PM

I pretty much think this about both our teams. I don't think anything means anything until at least a playoff game is won. Until then we are just a few teams that do good things and do nothing with them. This also ties into the whole media respect thing. I don't believe any of our teams deserve it.

Atlas · 10-30-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

I pretty much think this about both our teams. I don't think anything means anything until at least a playoff game is won. Until then we are just a few teams that do good things and do nothing with them. This also ties into the whole media respect thing. I don't believe any of our teams deserve it.

What has KC done?? They have had one winning season in ... hell, forever.

ZachKC · 10-30-2005, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlas

What has KC done??

Since '98? As much as Denver. Thats my main point...neither of are teams deserve much respect until they make at least something happen in the playoffs.

That 13-3 season was awesome...great things happend...it doesn't mean **** because nothing happened in the playoffs.

ludo21 · 10-30-2005, 06:07 PM

Wow, this team can be phenomenol IMO.

Who expected 2 rookies to step up in the clutch? i didnt, thats for sure.

We have the best tandem in teh NFL, we have ran the ball on teams that were supposed to be a great run stoppers. Thos teams with good D's include Jax, Skins, and now the Eagles who dominated LT last week.

Plummer is playing very good. Us going for 4 three and outs in a row was very upsetting, but it can be fixed IMO. He is on target with his throws and still no pick for 6 games. That in itself is incredible.

If we can get a healthy Bailey for the second half of the year this team will be really firing on all cylinders.

Crushaholic · 10-30-2005, 06:08 PM

It's an irritating cliche, but it works in this situation. The Broncos are only as good as their next game. We need to keep working to play as close to perfect football as humanly possible. We need to figure out why we are constantly outscored in the fourth quarter.

Cito Pelon · 10-30-2005, 06:17 PM

This team doesn't have "Championship" written all over it. It doesn't even have a Div Championship written all over it.

There's some little things that I don't like. One little thing that can be corrected is I see a tendency from some of the LB's and DB's to not hit hard after an O player has been touched. They tend to let him hit the ground on his own rather than dish out a hard tackle on a stumbling O player. Another little thing that can be corrected is the front four on the D it seems like once that big lead is given to them, they let the O-lineman get their arms and hand in on them, they don't fight quite as hard to get to the QB, they're not occupying the O-lineman well enough to let the blitzes get to the QB.

There's some other little things that might not be correctable, but I don't want to be negative. I'd be happy to see those two things corrected, because that can be important over the course of a game.

Overall, this is a pretty good Denver team. Better than any Denver team since 98, certainly, but they're facing some pretty good competition also. And they're gonna have to win on the road from here on. They're a good team that has to get just a little tougher. And let Champ heal up, they're gonna need him more later than they do right now.

12-4 is still right there for the team to take, but I'd like to see a liitle more toughness.

Atlas · 10-30-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

Since '98? As much as Denver. Thats my main point...neither of are teams deserve much respect until they make at least something happen in the playoffs.

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Denver was 10-6 in 2001, 10-6 in 2003 and 10-6 in 2004 and they are 6-2 this year. You can doubt and complain about your chefs but comparing them to the Broncos well, they just don't match up. Stop flattering yourself. The Chefs have more in common with Miami than they do the Broncos.

ZachKC · 10-30-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlas

Denver was 10-6 in 2001, 10-6 in 2003 and 10-6 in 2004 and they are 6-2. You can doubt and complain about your chefs but comparing them to the Broncos well, they just don't match up. Stop flattering yourself. The Chefs have more in common with Miami than they do the Broncos.

The Chiefs and Broncos have done the same thing over that span of time.

Nothing.

What do those things mean when you drop the ball in the playoffs? Thats my main point. It is funny hearing talk about all these grand things with the Broncos. Win a playoff game...and then start to think big. Until this is just leading up to another great team doing nothing.

Kaylore · 10-30-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

The only thing that can stop this team IS this team....

I agree with this. I think we've shown we can play and win against any team in the NFL.

ZachKC · 10-30-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

I agree with this. I think we've shown we can play and win against any team in the NFL.

You have had this quality for years. This doesn't stop you from dropping the ball against some team like Chicago in your own house...or Miami in the beg. of the season and so on...

Tombstone RJ · 10-30-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

The Chiefs and Broncos have done the same thing over that span of time.

Nothing.

What do those things mean when you drop the ball in the playoffs? Thats my main point. It is funny hearing talk about all these grand things with the Broncos. Win a playoff game...and then start to think big. Until this is just leading up to another great team doing nothing.

I think the chefs just got owned by Sandy Eggo. That's like three wins in a row for the bolts against the chefs.

I'm thinking the chefs don't make the playoffs this year.

baja · 10-30-2005, 06:29 PM

Anyone hear anything about Champ or Putz ?

other injuries?

ZachKC · 10-30-2005, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

I think the chefs just got owned by Sandy Eggo. That's like three wins in a row for the bolts against the chefs.

I'm thinking the chefs don't make the playoffs this year.

The Chiefs lost to the Chargers...a 8 point loss on the road = owning? Heh.

Again, AFC West games on the road...most of them are split. I would have liked a win more so because this game was very winnable. But the only game I really expect for the Chiefs to win on the road in this tough division is in Oakland.

If you look at the Chiefs schedule and some of the things they have done this year and still think they don't make the playoffs then I have given your takes way to much credit in the past.

Tombstone RJ · 10-30-2005, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

The Chiefs lost to the Chargers...a 8 point loss on the road = owning? Heh.

Again, AFC West games on the road...most of them are split. I would have liked a win more so because this game was very winnable. But the only game I really expect for the Chiefs to win on the road in this tough division is in Oakland.

If you look at the Chiefs schedule and some of the things they have done this year and still think they don't make the playoffs then I have given your takes way to much credit in the past.

Again with the tough schedule bs. I bet Sandy Eggo gets the Wild Card and KC gets early tee times this year.

Atlas · 10-30-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

The Chiefs and Broncos have done the same thing over that span of time.

Nothing.

What do those things mean when you drop the ball in the playoffs? Thats my main point. It is funny hearing talk about all these grand things with the Broncos. Win a playoff game...and then start to think big. Until this is just leading up to another great team doing nothing.

Denver hasn't done sh_t but they have done twice as much as the Chefs. Don't bag on our team by comparing them to the Chefs. Like I said the Chefs have more in common with the Dolphins than the Broncos.

Spider · 10-30-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

This team doesn't have "Championship" written all over it. It doesn't even have a Div Championship written all over it.

Niether did the 1996 Broncos , 2000 Ravens , 1983 Raiders , any Patriots team that won a SB,etc on down to the Jets ........

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There's some little things that I don't like. One little thing that can be corrected is I see a tendency from some of the LB's and DB's to not hit hard after an O player has been touched. They tend to let him hit the ground on his own rather than dish out a hard tackle on a stumbling O player. Another little thing that can be corrected is the front four on the D it seems like once that big lead is given to them, they let the O-lineman get their arms and hand in on them, they don't fight quite as hard to get to the QB, they're not occupying the O-lineman well enough to let the blitzes get to the QB.

The only weakness I see is lack of TE play , but the TE position is comming along , as for the hitting , woo licks are nice , but 15 yard penalties are not ......

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There's some other little things that might not be correctable, but I don't want to be negative. I'd be happy to see those two things corrected, because that can be important over the course of a game.

every team has a weakness .......

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Overall, this is a pretty good Denver team. Better than any Denver team since 98, certainly, but they're facing some pretty good competition also. And they're gonna have to win on the road from here on. They're a good team that has to get just a little tougher. And let Champ heal up, they're gonna need him more later than they do right now.

12-4 is still right there for the team to take, but I'd like to see a liitle more toughness.

the last part I agree with , I will add the Browncos have realy changed this team

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10-30-2005, 05:20 PM	#1
eddie mac Ireland's No1 Bronco Eddie Mac 87 gone but never forgott Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: IRELAND Posts: 15,572 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	How good can the Broncos really be? IMO they can be the best team in the NFL if they can show a little more consistency in the 2nd half of games on both sides of the ball. We've all seen what our offense and defense can do for an entire half against teams, New England, Philadelphia, Kansas City. If we can show the same consistency on the road and keep playing for an entire game we can be great. Tatum Bell and Mike Anderson are the best running back tandem this league has seen in a long-time and look at the way Jake Plummer's playing, mistake free football. The defense is putting pressure on but just not getting the sack numbers. How may times were Brady and McNabb on their asses in our games? Young CB's making tremedous plays when at the start of the season they weren't expected to be even in there. A Special Teams unit that is pinning teams back and making tackles when required. Dont think I've been this hyped about a Denver team in a long-time although the second-half shenanigans need to stop otherwise I may not see out the rest of the season .

10-30-2005, 05:27 PM	#2
ro_50 Ring of Famer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somewhere in Jersey Posts: 3,782	They have a chance to be the best Denver team since the Super Bowl team. But that lack of concentration or whatever it is that allows those teams to get back in it are troublesome. They did rebound today and made the big plays at the end. One thing is, they have to keep winning to avoid another early round showdown w/ the Colts in the playoffs. Cuz they are not going to lose for awhile (if they get past the Pats next week or in a couple of weeks, cant remember off the top of my head when that game is).

10-30-2005, 05:28 PM	#3
dbroncos31 Ring of Famer RIP D-Will Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Garrison NY Posts: 1,679	against KC we played a full game, and againts Philly we p[ayed the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarter well

10-30-2005, 05:32 PM	#6
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	We are seeing the same team as last year , the only differense is all phases of the team is clicking .......... Last 2 years either the offense se=tepped up or the defense , but rarely did they step up at the same time ....... Now we are seeing it this year .... took awhile but now it is here .............The team all of us "Homers "knew the Broncos were ..........

10-30-2005, 05:33 PM	#8
Ray Finkle DOOONNNTTTTT CAAARRREEE! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 7,401	The only thing that can stop this team IS this team....

10-30-2005, 05:51 PM	#9
Willynowei Some dude Football is a wonderful thing. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,798 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	We certainly have the talent to be the #1 team in the league. But the edge of talent in the NFL is minute. Every team is talented.

10-30-2005, 05:56 PM	#10
ZachKC For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kansas City Posts: 9,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Kennison	I pretty much think this about both our teams. I don't think anything means anything until at least a playoff game is won. Until then we are just a few teams that do good things and do nothing with them. This also ties into the whole media respect thing. I don't believe any of our teams deserve it.

10-30-2005, 06:07 PM	#13
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,898 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Wow, this team can be phenomenol IMO. Who expected 2 rookies to step up in the clutch? i didnt, thats for sure. We have the best tandem in teh NFL, we have ran the ball on teams that were supposed to be a great run stoppers. Thos teams with good D's include Jax, Skins, and now the Eagles who dominated LT last week. Plummer is playing very good. Us going for 4 three and outs in a row was very upsetting, but it can be fixed IMO. He is on target with his throws and still no pick for 6 games. That in itself is incredible. If we can get a healthy Bailey for the second half of the year this team will be really firing on all cylinders.

10-30-2005, 06:08 PM	#14
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,039	It's an irritating cliche, but it works in this situation. The Broncos are only as good as their next game. We need to keep working to play as close to perfect football as humanly possible. We need to figure out why we are constantly outscored in the fourth quarter.

10-30-2005, 06:17 PM	#15
Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,192 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	This team doesn't have "Championship" written all over it. It doesn't even have a Div Championship written all over it. There's some little things that I don't like. One little thing that can be corrected is I see a tendency from some of the LB's and DB's to not hit hard after an O player has been touched. They tend to let him hit the ground on his own rather than dish out a hard tackle on a stumbling O player. Another little thing that can be corrected is the front four on the D it seems like once that big lead is given to them, they let the O-lineman get their arms and hand in on them, they don't fight quite as hard to get to the QB, they're not occupying the O-lineman well enough to let the blitzes get to the QB. There's some other little things that might not be correctable, but I don't want to be negative. I'd be happy to see those two things corrected, because that can be important over the course of a game. Overall, this is a pretty good Denver team. Better than any Denver team since 98, certainly, but they're facing some pretty good competition also. And they're gonna have to win on the road from here on. They're a good team that has to get just a little tougher. And let Champ heal up, they're gonna need him more later than they do right now. 12-4 is still right there for the team to take, but I'd like to see a liitle more toughness.

10-30-2005, 06:29 PM	#21
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,780 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Anyone hear anything about Champ or Putz ? other injuries?