Miers withdraws nomination - The Orange Mane

Montaq · 10-27-2005, 06:11 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/...ons/index.html

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush on Thursday accepted the withdrawal of Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers, according to a statement from the White House.

In the statement, Miers said her nomination presented a "burden for the White House."

Miers, the White House counsel, was nominated earlier this month by President Bush to replace retiring Justice Sandra Day O'Connor on the high court.

On Wednesday, White House spokesman Scott McClellan dismissed the suggestion that senators have been reluctant to come out in support of Miers because they are unimpressed with her as a nominee.

"I think you're seeing a lot of members of the Senate saying, 'We want to hear what she has to say in the hearings,' before they make a judgment," he said. "With Harriet Miers, there are many in the Senate that simply did not know her previously, although she is widely respected within the legal profession."

Senators had hoped to begin confirmation hearings next week.

Bronco_Beerslug · 10-27-2005, 06:13 AM

Another Bush crony bites the dust. The religious right won't accept anyone who they believe won't try and overturn Roe vs Wade.

Rascal · 10-27-2005, 06:41 AM

Brilliant slug, freaking brilliant.

This is a good thing, we need to get somebody who is actually qualified for the position.

Bronco_Beerslug · 10-27-2005, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

Brilliant slug, freaking brilliant.

This is a good thing, we need to get somebody who is actually qualified for the position.

If you think I'm wrong you're not paying attention. Conservatives feel Bush owes them for putting him back in the WH and they are telling him it's time to pay up.
When this came out yesterday it was the last straw for republicans.

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Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers said in a speech more than a decade ago that "self-determination" should guide decisions about abortion and school prayer and that in cases where scientific facts are disputed and religious beliefs vary, "government should not act."

http://tinyurl.com/ba9qp

Bush is totally pissed!

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And in a twist of irony Miers is one of the advisers to Bush on who to pick for the SC.

So now if Bush picks the ultra conservative the religious right demands of him, the choice will be filibustered bringing O'Connor back into some major decisions due this year and into next year on things like right to die with dignity and abortion.

Rascal · 10-27-2005, 06:59 AM

Oh please. Liberals won't accept anybody who they believe might overturn Roe vs Wade.

!!! She was going to withdraw before that became known by the general public and media. There was no way she was going to get through and no way was Bush going to be stubborn enough to gamble on it and potentially lose out and be a lame duck for the reaminder of his term.

Montaq · 10-27-2005, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

Oh please. Liberals won't accept anybody who they believe might overturn Roe vs Wade.

!!! She was going to withdraw before that became known by the general public and media. There was no way she was going to get through and no way was Bush going to be stubborn enough to gamble on it and potentially lose out and be a lame duck for the reaminder of his term.

I'm a liberal and I could care less if Roe v. Wade is overturned.

Rascal · 10-27-2005, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Montaq

I'm a liberal and I could care less if Roe v. Wade is overturned.

And as a member of this "religious right" I would prefer to have somebody who was actually qualified regardless of their stance on this as opposed to somebody who was nominated b/c they are a friend of Bush and are not qualified.

Bronco_Beerslug · 10-27-2005, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

And as a member of this "religious right" I would prefer to have somebody who was actually qualified regardless of their stance on this as opposed to somebody who was nominated b/c they are a friend of Bush and are not qualified.

How do you know if she's qualified or not if she's not allowed to go before the committee and answer their questions? It was Bush's religious right backers who would not allow the process to go forward. I guarantee you if she would have stated and made public record that she was against abortion the process would have went forward.

Rascal · 10-27-2005, 07:52 AM

right...

enjolras · 10-27-2005, 07:59 AM

Abortion continues to be the issue that drives the machine... I think Beerslug is exactly right. The biggest and loudest complaints about Miers where thinly disguised references to her (lack of a) stance on abortion. The issue of qualification is a big one.. no doubt.. but for a great many (not all) conservatives qualification is all about her stance on abortion..

At least thats the way it seems to me.

Bronco_Beerslug · 10-27-2005, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by enjolras

Abortion continues to be the issue that drives the machine... I think Beerslug is exactly right. The biggest and loudest complaints about Miers where thinly disguised references to her (lack of a) stance on abortion. The issue of qualification is a big one.. no doubt.. but for a great many (not all) conservatives qualification is all about her stance on abortion..

At least thats the way it seems to me.

Bush Abandons Push for Miers Nomination

By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent

WASHINGTON - Under withering attack from conservatives,
President Bush abandoned his push to put loyalist Harriet Miers on the Supreme Court and promised a quick replacement Thursday. Democrats accused him of bowing to the "radical right wing of the Republican Party."
(CONTINUED)
http://tinyurl.com/arb7q

bronco_diesel · 10-27-2005, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by enjolras

Abortion continues to be the issue that drives the machine... I think Beerslug is exactly right. The biggest and loudest complaints about Miers where thinly disguised references to her (lack of a) stance on abortion. The issue of qualification is a big one.. no doubt.. but for a great many (not all) conservatives qualification is all about her stance on abortion..

At least thats the way it seems to me.

if the issue is about abortion (which i am not denying) i think the conservatives really missed it here. miers in a lot of ways was ideal for bush - i believe they had the candidate that may have turned over roe v. wade.

her past shows that she has loyalties to the dems. what many people did not know was her new found religious experience. she "came to jesus" as i understand. i think bush purposely picked someone who was little known, but had ties to the liberal side. figuring she could get in under the radar regarding her new faith and appear to please both sides. if this is true about her faith - i believe the conservatives lost out on what they wanted.

Bronco_Beerslug · 10-27-2005, 09:21 AM

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# "Apparently, Ms. Miers did not satisfy those who want to pack the Supreme Court with rigid ideologues. In choosing a replacement for Ms. Miers, President Bush should not reward the bad behavior of his right-wing base." -- Senate Minority Leader Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nevada (Watch Sens. Reid and Schumer blame the GOP right-wing -- 3:40)

"We were not asking for documents regarding attorney-client privilege -- or privileged communications. We were saying 'show us documents of policy issues discussions,' so we could get some framework of her policy views." -- Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kansas, Senate Judiciary Committee member

# "I call on the president to name a nominee in the mainstream of American jurisprudence, who can help bring this nation together and demonstrate a scrupulous knowledge of the law and a judicial temperament that enables support by both sides of the political aisle." -- Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-California, Senate Judiciary Committee member

# "Caught up in a wave of scandal and concerns about the war in Iraq, the president has allowed right-wing interest groups to decide the fate of his Supreme Court nominee rather than stand up to his ultraconservative base. It's a telling statement about the instability and ideological confusion facing the White House and the Republican Party." -- Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts

# Bush "should nominate a strict constructionist conservative." "That's what he is and ran as as president. He said, 'If you elect me this is the nominee you will get.' " -- Sen. Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, former majority leader (Watch Lott offer his opinion on Miers' withdrawal -- 5:43)

http://tinyurl.com/ambmg

SoCalBronco · 10-27-2005, 10:01 AM

excellent news.

clarker · 10-27-2005, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by enjolras

Abortion continues to be the issue that drives the machine... I think Beerslug is exactly right. The biggest and loudest complaints about Miers where thinly disguised references to her (lack of a) stance on abortion. The issue of qualification is a big one.. no doubt.. but for a great many (not all) conservatives qualification is all about her stance on abortion..

At least thats the way it seems to me.

Montaq not withstanding, the same can be said about most liberals. The elected ones for sure the qualification that matters to them is abortion as well.

epicSocialism4tw · 10-27-2005, 11:13 AM

This is good news. At least they finally gave in to their constituency. Maybe they wouldnt have had to if they would have been smart about it from the get-go.

Bronco_Beerslug · 10-27-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

This is good news. At least they finally gave in to their constituency. Maybe they wouldnt have had to if they would have been smart about it from the get-go.

They? You mean Bush?

enjolras · 10-27-2005, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by clarker

Montaq not withstanding, the same can be said about most liberals. The elected ones for sure the qualification that matters to them is abortion as well.

Thats a gross oversimplification.

One of the Democrats BIG problems right now is a rather serious lack of unifying identity. The right is quite unified in what they want at this point, the Democratic party at this point is a motley collection of everyone else.

To say that a democrat has to pass a pro-abortion test just isn't true in the general sense. Its true in certain geographies, but the party as a whole isn't even unified on the issue.

Senator Ben Nelson (NE) and Representative Jerry Costello (IL) for example are clearly pro-life. Blanche Lincoln (AR) has voted in favor of curtailing (but no eliminating) certain abortion rights (partial birth in particular). Mark Pryor (AR) also sports a pro-life voting record.

Those are just the ones I'm familiar with..

The point being, while the party is officially 'pro-choice' the actual unity on the issue isn't so cut and dry. Democrats tend to talk about curtailing abortions and many support abortion restrictions. Republicans seem to be united on simply making abortions illegal, Democrats are not so well positioned. They have many (sometimes contradictory) ideas on abortion.. with very little in the way of guiding principles to unify them.

Crushaholic · 10-27-2005, 12:06 PM

I'm disappointed in people like my senator, Sam Brownback, that they didn't give her a fair chance. Maybe she WASN'T qualified. I don't know. All I know is she is well respected within the legal community and I was looking forward to seeing how she would answer questions in front of the committee.

clarker · 10-27-2005, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by enjolras

Thats a gross oversimplification.

One of the Democrats BIG problems right now is a rather serious lack of unifying identity. The right is quite unified in what they want at this point, the Democratic party at this point is a motley collection of everyone else.

To say that a democrat has to pass a pro-abortion test just isn't true in the general sense. Its true in certain geographies, but the party as a whole isn't even unified on the issue.

Senator Ben Nelson (NE) and Representative Jerry Costello (IL) for example are clearly pro-life. Blanche Lincoln (AR) has voted in favor of curtailing (but no eliminating) certain abortion rights (partial birth in particular). Mark Pryor (AR) also sports a pro-life voting record.

Those are just the ones I'm familiar with..

The point being, while the party is officially 'pro-choice' the actual unity on the issue isn't so cut and dry. Democrats tend to talk about curtailing abortions and many support abortion restrictions. Republicans seem to be united on simply making abortions illegal, Democrats are not so well positioned. They have many (sometimes contradictory) ideas on abortion.. with very little in the way of guiding principles to unify them.

Of the Republicans are more unified, because once you say believe in pro-choice then you can't be pro-life. Once you say a woman has the choice no matter how many restrictions you put on it, you can't be pro-life.

And not all elected Republican's are pro-life, but the majority are. Not all elected Dems are pro-choice, but the majority of them are.

That was my point. If someone thinks all those questions to Roberts by Dems on the right to privicey wasn't in large part(although not always) to do with abortion, I think they are kidding themselves.

epicSocialism4tw · 10-27-2005, 01:00 PM

Janice Rogers Brown.

If the Republicans were the Democrats, they would play the race card when the dem opposition comes.

Antilles · 10-27-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

Janice Rogers Brown.

If the Republicans were the Democrats, they would play the race card when the dem opposition comes.

IF? Do you sincerely think they won't? Well, actually, they probably won't have to. The race card is like mutually assured distruction. The Dems won't mount a serious challenge to Brown because they know the Reps can and will place the race card. Boom!!!

Janice Brown would be a guaranteed confirmation. She has a strong conservative record that will please the right, a solid, albeit not overwhelming resume, and nothing in her past that I am aware of that the Dems can characterize as conservative activism. Maybe she has hired some illegal alien nanny or something. God I hope.

The dark horse: Mikey Luttig. I think this guy is Bush's ideal justice, and now that a woman nomination has failed (for whatever reason) I think Bush may be tempted to can the idea of Court diversity. I mean he tried once right?

BroncoInferno · 10-27-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by enjolras

Senator Ben Nelson (NE) and Representative Jerry Costello (IL) for example are clearly pro-life. Blanche Lincoln (AR) has voted in favor of curtailing (but no eliminating) certain abortion rights (partial birth in particular). Mark Pryor (AR) also sports a pro-life voting record.

Those are just the ones I'm familiar with.

I believe Harry Reid is pro-life as well.

SoCalBronco · 10-27-2005, 05:47 PM

If Bush is going to stick with a woman, I would really love to see Diane Sykes, Maura Corrigan or Karen Williams, in that order. Maureen Mahoney would be okay as well. I like Edith Jones but she is too old and has some things that will come out that could create a few problems. Sykes would be great!!!

In addition to being a solid conservative, doing an excellent job on the Wisconsin Supreme Court and on the Federal Appeals Court, and only about 48, she's pretty hot for a judge. Hopefully Sykes gets the nod.

Montaq · 10-27-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

I'm disappointed in people like my senator, Sam Brownback, that they didn't give her a fair chance. Maybe she WASN'T qualified. I don't know. All I know is she is well respected within the legal community and I was looking forward to seeing how she would answer questions in front of the committee.

So many reasons to be disappointed in Sam Brownback, this ranks pretty low among them.

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SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,288 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	excellent news. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

10-27-2005, 05:47 PM	#24
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,288 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	If Bush is going to stick with a woman, I would really love to see Diane Sykes, Maura Corrigan or Karen Williams, in that order. Maureen Mahoney would be okay as well. I like Edith Jones but she is too old and has some things that will come out that could create a few problems. Sykes would be great!!! In addition to being a solid conservative, doing an excellent job on the Wisconsin Supreme Court and on the Federal Appeals Court, and only about 48, she's pretty hot for a judge. Hopefully Sykes gets the nod. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH! Last edited by SoCalBronco; 10-27-2005 at 06:07 PM..

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10-27-2005, 06:13 AM	#2
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	Another Bush crony bites the dust. The religious right won't accept anyone who they believe won't try and overturn Roe vs Wade.

10-27-2005, 06:41 AM	#3
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Brilliant slug, freaking brilliant. This is a good thing, we need to get somebody who is actually qualified for the position.

10-27-2005, 06:59 AM	#5
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Oh please. Liberals won't accept anybody who they believe might overturn Roe vs Wade. !!! She was going to withdraw before that became known by the general public and media. There was no way she was going to get through and no way was Bush going to be stubborn enough to gamble on it and potentially lose out and be a lame duck for the reaminder of his term.

10-27-2005, 07:52 AM	#9
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	right...

10-27-2005, 07:59 AM	#10
enjolras Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,939	Abortion continues to be the issue that drives the machine... I think Beerslug is exactly right. The biggest and loudest complaints about Miers where thinly disguised references to her (lack of a) stance on abortion. The issue of qualification is a big one.. no doubt.. but for a great many (not all) conservatives qualification is all about her stance on abortion.. At least thats the way it seems to me.

10-27-2005, 09:21 AM	#13
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	------------------------------------------------------- # "Apparently, Ms. Miers did not satisfy those who want to pack the Supreme Court with rigid ideologues. In choosing a replacement for Ms. Miers, President Bush should not reward the bad behavior of his right-wing base." -- Senate Minority Leader Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nevada (Watch Sens. Reid and Schumer blame the GOP right-wing -- 3:40) "We were not asking for documents regarding attorney-client privilege -- or privileged communications. We were saying 'show us documents of policy issues discussions,' so we could get some framework of her policy views." -- Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kansas, Senate Judiciary Committee member # "I call on the president to name a nominee in the mainstream of American jurisprudence, who can help bring this nation together and demonstrate a scrupulous knowledge of the law and a judicial temperament that enables support by both sides of the political aisle." -- Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-California, Senate Judiciary Committee member # "Caught up in a wave of scandal and concerns about the war in Iraq, the president has allowed right-wing interest groups to decide the fate of his Supreme Court nominee rather than stand up to his ultraconservative base. It's a telling statement about the instability and ideological confusion facing the White House and the Republican Party." -- Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts # Bush "should nominate a strict constructionist conservative." "That's what he is and ran as as president. He said, 'If you elect me this is the nominee you will get.' " -- Sen. Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, former majority leader (Watch Lott offer his opinion on Miers' withdrawal -- 5:43) http://tinyurl.com/ambmg

10-27-2005, 11:13 AM	#16
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	This is good news. At least they finally gave in to their constituency. Maybe they wouldnt have had to if they would have been smart about it from the get-go.

10-27-2005, 12:06 PM	#19
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,039	I'm disappointed in people like my senator, Sam Brownback, that they didn't give her a fair chance. Maybe she WASN'T qualified. I don't know. All I know is she is well respected within the legal community and I was looking forward to seeing how she would answer questions in front of the committee.

10-27-2005, 01:00 PM	#21
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Janice Rogers Brown. If the Republicans were the Democrats, they would play the race card when the dem opposition comes.