Beating a dead horse - The Orange Mane

i4jelway7 · 10-26-2005, 09:08 AM

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Q: I don't usually call foul, but if you look at the tape of the game, you'll see the Broncos may have had at least five sacks on [Eli] Manning. There was criminal holding going on in this game. I watched this game on TiVo. I actually saw a lineman grab the back of Gerard Warren's pants on his way to a sure sack. No flag. I saw three guys holding Pryce by the waist. No flag. It was ridiculous. Please look at the tape.

A: I'm always hesitant to get into the penalty discussion because it's rare when a team openly admits it got away with one even when it did get away with one. And everybody gets away with one at some point.
Find a penalty that hurt your team, I'll find five plays it should have made and then the penalties wouldn't have mattered.
But I did ask a pro personnel director with another AFC team who had seen the game what he thought about the play up front. He thought there could have been at least three additional holding penalties called on the Giants, with two of those going when Warren had beaten his man.
He was also a little shaky about George Foster's holding penalty in the fourth quarter that negated a first down the Broncos sorely needed, as well as a block in the back call on Stephen Alexander in the same drive that negated another first down. The Giants got the ball back and well, you know what happened then.
But he also finished the conversation with "that's the way it goes.'' Because it is the way it goes.

Q: Maybe you can help me with this. I am writing this at the risk of sounding like some deranged government conspiracy theorist. But, the more I think about it and the more I watch, I believe there may be some merit to it. I have a bad feeling deep down inside, that we are being suckered by the NFL. The league is achieving its desired parity by rigging the outcome of games through the officiating. And as an insurance policy to keep their scheme alive, they have put a gag on the coaches. The people who are closest to the action, have all the knowledge of the rules, are not allowed to comment on the officiating. How convenient.

A: Well, I think the league's director of officiating, Mike Pereira, does well to keep it all working.
And if coaches were allowed to criticize the officials without being fined, they probably wouldn't talk about much else.
There is some discussion each year about what it would take to make officials year-round employees - most have some other job and adjust the schedule of their primary job to work games as well as attend the required training sessions in their off time.
But there is a large segment of franchise owners, and they vote on such things, who don't want to pay officials for what they perceive as an off season spent not working.
But pull the curtain back on what folks believe is parity and you'll find the salary cap and free agency.

I’m inclined to agree with the conspiracy theory. Say the Broncos don’t throw the ball to Bell out of an empty backfield on 3rd & 2 and instead throw to the TE or motion bell to the other side away from Will Allen and he does pick up the first down, who is to say that the refs wouldn’t have thrown another BS flag to stop the drive. There are too many coincidences in just the Broncos games since the second game of the season until now where there have been obvious no calls for o-line holding and phantom flags for so called infractions that should not be called…

The refs should be held accountable for BS calls, something like obvious no calls, blown calls, or phantom flags should be 3 strikes your out….

You have a penatly review board or I’m guessing this is the competition committee now, they vote on if the ref made the right call while factoring in the refs field of vision, position on the field and other factors that could contribute to a blown call and if the call was deemed “no excuse” then the penalty would be:

1st time verbal reprimand, 2nd time written reprimand w/ pay deduction, 3rd time suspension with no pay and/or termination depending on the circumstances. I know this is probably unrealistic but something needs to be done about the atrocious officiating. Not only are the teams left feeling cheated by bad calls but the fans are as well… and who pays all the NFL’s salaries the FANS

Pat Bowlen · 10-26-2005, 09:10 AM

Good thread title.

Play2win · 10-26-2005, 09:15 AM

All I know is really the only difference between this game and Trevor Pryce being on the Horse Trailer and the MVP of a dominating Broncos win (against the Qweefs) is a bunch of no-call, otherwise we DOMINATE the Giants just as much as we DOMINATED the Qweefs...

watermock · 10-27-2005, 01:24 AM

Everyone not blind could see the game was thrown. We could of still put it away, but the refs moved a 9 yard gain back 10 on a phantom call on Foster...

Three calls against the DL? That's from an arbitrary viewer... I saw close to a dozen...and two complete BS PI calls for Burress who pushed off all day...

Burress would literally run into Champ and push off and the refs would throw a flag on Champ...he was left shaking his head...

He almost pushed him down once, he had to get a hand to keep his feet, and another time, he was completely pushed off on a third down and got a PI for absolutely no reason...

Burress had THREE BLATANT OFFENSIVE INTERFERENCE and not one was called. And the tackling on Warren was rediculous...the reporter is only calling the plays where Warren is literally tackled...and calls into question the Foster holding call.

This game was thrown...I said it while watching it, and it doesn't need to be validated...we were going bonkers...

10-26-2005, 09:08 AM	#1
i4jelway7 Ring of Famer :notworthy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,873	Beating a dead horse http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/d...g_on_empt.html Q: I don't usually call foul, but if you look at the tape of the game, you'll see the Broncos may have had at least five sacks on [Eli] Manning. There was criminal holding going on in this game. I watched this game on TiVo. I actually saw a lineman grab the back of Gerard Warren's pants on his way to a sure sack. No flag. I saw three guys holding Pryce by the waist. No flag. It was ridiculous. Please look at the tape. A: I'm always hesitant to get into the penalty discussion because it's rare when a team openly admits it got away with one even when it did get away with one. And everybody gets away with one at some point. Find a penalty that hurt your team, I'll find five plays it should have made and then the penalties wouldn't have mattered. But I did ask a pro personnel director with another AFC team who had seen the game what he thought about the play up front. He thought there could have been at least three additional holding penalties called on the Giants, with two of those going when Warren had beaten his man. He was also a little shaky about George Foster's holding penalty in the fourth quarter that negated a first down the Broncos sorely needed, as well as a block in the back call on Stephen Alexander in the same drive that negated another first down. The Giants got the ball back and well, you know what happened then. But he also finished the conversation with "that's the way it goes.'' Because it is the way it goes. Q: Maybe you can help me with this. I am writing this at the risk of sounding like some deranged government conspiracy theorist. But, the more I think about it and the more I watch, I believe there may be some merit to it. I have a bad feeling deep down inside, that we are being suckered by the NFL. The league is achieving its desired parity by rigging the outcome of games through the officiating. And as an insurance policy to keep their scheme alive, they have put a gag on the coaches. The people who are closest to the action, have all the knowledge of the rules, are not allowed to comment on the officiating. How convenient. A: Well, I think the league's director of officiating, Mike Pereira, does well to keep it all working. And if coaches were allowed to criticize the officials without being fined, they probably wouldn't talk about much else. There is some discussion each year about what it would take to make officials year-round employees - most have some other job and adjust the schedule of their primary job to work games as well as attend the required training sessions in their off time. But there is a large segment of franchise owners, and they vote on such things, who don't want to pay officials for what they perceive as an off season spent not working. But pull the curtain back on what folks believe is parity and you'll find the salary cap and free agency. I’m inclined to agree with the conspiracy theory. Say the Broncos don’t throw the ball to Bell out of an empty backfield on 3rd & 2 and instead throw to the TE or motion bell to the other side away from Will Allen and he does pick up the first down, who is to say that the refs wouldn’t have thrown another BS flag to stop the drive. There are too many coincidences in just the Broncos games since the second game of the season until now where there have been obvious no calls for o-line holding and phantom flags for so called infractions that should not be called… The refs should be held accountable for BS calls, something like obvious no calls, blown calls, or phantom flags should be 3 strikes your out…. You have a penatly review board or I’m guessing this is the competition committee now, they vote on if the ref made the right call while factoring in the refs field of vision, position on the field and other factors that could contribute to a blown call and if the call was deemed “no excuse” then the penalty would be: 1st time verbal reprimand, 2nd time written reprimand w/ pay deduction, 3rd time suspension with no pay and/or termination depending on the circumstances. I know this is probably unrealistic but something needs to be done about the atrocious officiating. Not only are the teams left feeling cheated by bad calls but the fans are as well… and who pays all the NFL’s salaries the FANS

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10-26-2005, 09:10 AM	#2
Pat Bowlen President/Chief Executive Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 2,691	Good thread title.

10-26-2005, 09:15 AM	#3
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,610 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	All I know is really the only difference between this game and Trevor Pryce being on the Horse Trailer and the MVP of a dominating Broncos win (against the Qweefs) is a bunch of no-call, otherwise we DOMINATE the Giants just as much as we DOMINATED the Qweefs...

10-27-2005, 01:24 AM	#4
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Everyone not blind could see the game was thrown. We could of still put it away, but the refs moved a 9 yard gain back 10 on a phantom call on Foster... Three calls against the DL? That's from an arbitrary viewer... I saw close to a dozen...and two complete BS PI calls for Burress who pushed off all day... Burress would literally run into Champ and push off and the refs would throw a flag on Champ...he was left shaking his head... He almost pushed him down once, he had to get a hand to keep his feet, and another time, he was completely pushed off on a third down and got a PI for absolutely no reason... Burress had THREE BLATANT OFFENSIVE INTERFERENCE and not one was called. And the tackling on Warren was rediculous...the reporter is only calling the plays where Warren is literally tackled...and calls into question the Foster holding call. This game was thrown...I said it while watching it, and it doesn't need to be validated...we were going bonkers...