Report: Cheney Cited as Source in CIA Leak - The Orange Mane

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 10-24-2005, 10:11 PM

NEW YORK - Documents in the CIA leak investigation indicate the chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney first heard of the covert CIA officer from Cheney himself, The New York Times reported in Tuesday editions.

The newspaper said notes of a previously undisclosed June 12, 2003 conversation between I. Lewis Libby and Cheney appear to differ from Libby's grand jury testimony that he first heard of Valerie Plame from journalists. The newspaper identified its sources as lawyers who are involved in the case.

Libby has emerged at the center of Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's criminal investigation in recent weeks because of the Cheney aide's conversations about Plame with Times reporter Judith Miller.

Miller said Libby spoke to her about Plame and her husband, Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson, on three occasions.

Libby's notes show that Cheney knew of Plame's CIA work more than a month before her identity was publicly exposed by columnist Robert Novak.

At the time of the Cheney-Libby conversation, Wilson had been referred to — but not by name — in the Times and on the morning of June 12, 2003 on the front page of The Washington Post.

The Times reported that Libby's notes indicate Cheney got his information about Wilson from then-CIA Director George Tenet.

The notes, the newspaper said, contain no suggestion that Cheney or Libby knew at the time of their conversation of Plame's undercover status or that her identity was classified.

According to a former intelligence official close to Tenet, the former CIA chief has not been in touch with Fitzgerald's staff for over 15 months and was not asked to testify before the grand jury. The official said Tenet declined to comment on the investigation.

Libby's lawyer, Joseph Tate, did not return phone calls and e-mail to his office. The White House also did not return calls.

Fitzgerald is expected to decide this week whether to seek criminal indictments in the case. Lawyers involved in the case have said Libby and Karl Rove, President Bush's senior adviser, both face the possibility of indictment.

Putting Cheney in the heart of the information flow regarding Wilson's wife represents yet another ratcheting up of the CIA leak investigation as a political problem for the White House.

Fitzgerald questioned Cheney over a year ago. It is not publicly known what the vice president told the prosecutor.

Cheney has said little in public about what he knew. In September 2003, he told NBC he did not know Wilson or who sent him on a trip to Niger in 2002 to check into a intelligence — later deemed unreliable — that
Iraq may have been seeking to buy uranium there.

"I don't know who sent Joe Wilson. He never submitted a report that I ever saw when he came back," Cheney said at the time. "... I don't know Mr. Wilson. I probably shouldn't judge him. I have no idea who hired him."

The Cheney-Libby conversation occurred the same day that The Washington Post published a front-page story about the CIA sending a retired diplomat to Africa, where he was unable to corroborate intelligence that Iraq was trying to acquire uranium yellowcake from Niger. The diplomat was Wilson.

A year after Wilson's trip, President Bush said in his State of the Union address that Iraq was pursuing uranium in Africa.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051025/..._investigation

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 10-25-2005, 12:02 AM

Bush calls CIA leak case 'very serious'. But, actions, of which there are none, speak louder than words. 10/25

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...-BUSH-LEAK.xml

What goes around ..."Those who thought investigations were a wonderful thing when Bill Clinton was president are suddenly facing prosecutors, and they don't like it." 10/25

http://www.startribune.com/stories/562/5674472.html

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 10-27-2005, 07:02 PM

Bump...

Plame-gate and the myth of the renegade aide

One of the common myths of official Washington is that most political scandals result from overly aggressive aides operating out of control - the Watergate "third-rate burglary" or Iran-Contra's "men of zeal" - with top officials getting in trouble only later by trying to cover the mess up.

But the reality - which is relevant again amid the probe into the outing of a CIA officer - is that a principal official is almost always lurking somewhere in the background of the original crime, sending signals or pulling strings with the expectation that, if caught, a subordinate will take the fall.

So now, much like the historical arguments over whether the Watergate break-in was approved by Richard Nixon or which Iran-Contra dealings were green-lighted by Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, the new question is whether Dick Cheney and George W. Bush winked at their top aides leaking the identity of Valerie Plame as retaliation for her husband exposing a deception used to take America to war in Iraq.

The "Plame-gate" probe has focused on Vice President Cheney's chief of staff I. Lewis Libby and President Bush's deputy chief of staff Karl Rove. Based on what's now publicly known, it appears that Libby and Rove at minimum misled investigators about how they learned of Plame's identity and how they disseminated that information.

http://consortiumnews.com/2005/102705.html

SoCalBronco · 10-27-2005, 10:00 PM

Drudge and another source are saying Libby will be indicted but not Rove. There is some issue though of whether Mr. Fitzgerald will extend the grand jury's time to see if there is any other stuff on Rove, but for now it appears he will not be indicted.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 10-27-2005, 10:05 PM

WASHINGTON, Oct. 27 - Associates of I. Lewis Libby Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, expected an indictment on Friday charging him with making false statements........Karl Rove, President Bush's senior adviser and deputy chief of staff, will not be charged on Friday, but will remain under investigation, people briefed officially about the case said. As a result, they said, the special counsel in the case, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, was likely to extend the term of the federal grand jury beyond its scheduled expiration on Friday...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/28/po...rtner=homepage

SoCalBronco · 10-27-2005, 10:07 PM

Yep that was the article I saw.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 10-27-2005, 10:23 PM

So, the speculation is that Rove may not be charged tomorrow, but could still be indicted later.

10-24-2005, 10:11 PM	#1
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694	Report: Cheney Cited as Source in CIA Leak NEW YORK - Documents in the CIA leak investigation indicate the chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney first heard of the covert CIA officer from Cheney himself, The New York Times reported in Tuesday editions. The newspaper said notes of a previously undisclosed June 12, 2003 conversation between I. Lewis Libby and Cheney appear to differ from Libby's grand jury testimony that he first heard of Valerie Plame from journalists. The newspaper identified its sources as lawyers who are involved in the case. Libby has emerged at the center of Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's criminal investigation in recent weeks because of the Cheney aide's conversations about Plame with Times reporter Judith Miller. Miller said Libby spoke to her about Plame and her husband, Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson, on three occasions. Libby's notes show that Cheney knew of Plame's CIA work more than a month before her identity was publicly exposed by columnist Robert Novak. At the time of the Cheney-Libby conversation, Wilson had been referred to — but not by name — in the Times and on the morning of June 12, 2003 on the front page of The Washington Post. The Times reported that Libby's notes indicate Cheney got his information about Wilson from then-CIA Director George Tenet. The notes, the newspaper said, contain no suggestion that Cheney or Libby knew at the time of their conversation of Plame's undercover status or that her identity was classified. According to a former intelligence official close to Tenet, the former CIA chief has not been in touch with Fitzgerald's staff for over 15 months and was not asked to testify before the grand jury. The official said Tenet declined to comment on the investigation. Libby's lawyer, Joseph Tate, did not return phone calls and e-mail to his office. The White House also did not return calls. Fitzgerald is expected to decide this week whether to seek criminal indictments in the case. Lawyers involved in the case have said Libby and Karl Rove, President Bush's senior adviser, both face the possibility of indictment. Putting Cheney in the heart of the information flow regarding Wilson's wife represents yet another ratcheting up of the CIA leak investigation as a political problem for the White House. Fitzgerald questioned Cheney over a year ago. It is not publicly known what the vice president told the prosecutor. Cheney has said little in public about what he knew. In September 2003, he told NBC he did not know Wilson or who sent him on a trip to Niger in 2002 to check into a intelligence — later deemed unreliable — that Iraq may have been seeking to buy uranium there. "I don't know who sent Joe Wilson. He never submitted a report that I ever saw when he came back," Cheney said at the time. "... I don't know Mr. Wilson. I probably shouldn't judge him. I have no idea who hired him." The Cheney-Libby conversation occurred the same day that The Washington Post published a front-page story about the CIA sending a retired diplomat to Africa, where he was unable to corroborate intelligence that Iraq was trying to acquire uranium yellowcake from Niger. The diplomat was Wilson. A year after Wilson's trip, President Bush said in his State of the Union address that Iraq was pursuing uranium in Africa. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051025/..._investigation

10-27-2005, 10:00 PM	#4
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,292 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	Drudge and another source are saying Libby will be indicted but not Rove. There is some issue though of whether Mr. Fitzgerald will extend the grand jury's time to see if there is any other stuff on Rove, but for now it appears he will not be indicted. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

10-27-2005, 10:07 PM	#6
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,292 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	Yep that was the article I saw. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

10-25-2005, 12:02 AM	#2
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694	Bush calls CIA leak case 'very serious'. But, actions, of which there are none, speak louder than words. 10/25 http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...-BUSH-LEAK.xml What goes around ..."Those who thought investigations were a wonderful thing when Bill Clinton was president are suddenly facing prosecutors, and they don't like it." 10/25 http://www.startribune.com/stories/562/5674472.html

10-27-2005, 07:02 PM	#3
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694	Bump... Plame-gate and the myth of the renegade aide One of the common myths of official Washington is that most political scandals result from overly aggressive aides operating out of control - the Watergate "third-rate burglary" or Iran-Contra's "men of zeal" - with top officials getting in trouble only later by trying to cover the mess up. But the reality - which is relevant again amid the probe into the outing of a CIA officer - is that a principal official is almost always lurking somewhere in the background of the original crime, sending signals or pulling strings with the expectation that, if caught, a subordinate will take the fall. So now, much like the historical arguments over whether the Watergate break-in was approved by Richard Nixon or which Iran-Contra dealings were green-lighted by Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, the new question is whether Dick Cheney and George W. Bush winked at their top aides leaking the identity of Valerie Plame as retaliation for her husband exposing a deception used to take America to war in Iraq. The "Plame-gate" probe has focused on Vice President Cheney's chief of staff I. Lewis Libby and President Bush's deputy chief of staff Karl Rove. Based on what's now publicly known, it appears that Libby and Rove at minimum misled investigators about how they learned of Plame's identity and how they disseminated that information. http://consortiumnews.com/2005/102705.html

10-27-2005, 10:05 PM	#5
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694	WASHINGTON, Oct. 27 - Associates of I. Lewis Libby Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, expected an indictment on Friday charging him with making false statements........Karl Rove, President Bush's senior adviser and deputy chief of staff, will not be charged on Friday, but will remain under investigation, people briefed officially about the case said. As a result, they said, the special counsel in the case, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, was likely to extend the term of the federal grand jury beyond its scheduled expiration on Friday... http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/28/po...rtner=homepage

10-27-2005, 10:23 PM	#7
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694	So, the speculation is that Rove may not be charged tomorrow, but could still be indicted later.