What I learned on Sunday (NYG) - The Orange Mane

Needa Pass Rush · 10-23-2005, 09:58 PM

*** losing still sucks

*** our passing game is a shell of our running game

*** Kyle Johnson !!

Billy Clyde Puckett · 10-24-2005, 05:27 AM

I learned that, not surprisingly, Eli Manning has suddenly become an elite QB.

Orange_Beard · 10-24-2005, 05:31 AM

We need to play 4 quarters.
Getting out to a lead and holding on is not going to get in done.

BroncoBen · 10-24-2005, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Orange_Beard

We need to play 4 quarters.
Getting out to a lead and holding on is not going to get in done.

You hit the nail right on the head, it seems to me that the offense only plays 3 quarters then get conservitive and leaves it up the Defense to hold in the 4th quarter.

Beantown Bronco · 10-24-2005, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBen

You hit the nail right on the head, it seems to me that the offense only plays 3 quarters then get conservitive and leaves it up the Defense to hold in the 4th quarter.

On the contrary....we kept emptying out the backfield late, when the running game was clearly dominating to that point. They got away from the more conservative 3 TE sets and it didn't work very much.

jmz313 · 10-24-2005, 05:57 AM

I learned that:

Holding is the new version of blocking.
Broncos are not allowed in the same space as the opposing team
Losing sucks much more when you own a team untill the last 10 minutes.

Seriously, was I the only person screaming holding on the 35 yd completion to burress in the 4th quarter (force out call). Blatant, holding the guy by his elbow with 2 hands after he beat the lineman. #66 of the giants should of been flagged big time.

crazyhorse · 10-24-2005, 05:59 AM

I learned the Donkos are the new faders of the AFC West.

Bronco_Beerslug · 10-24-2005, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorse

I learned the Donkos are the new faders of the AFC West.

Nothing new from you though, same elementary school smack. How you doing in spelling class?

Mile High Shack · 10-24-2005, 06:04 AM

I learned that our 4th qtr near collapses for the past 3 weeks finally caught up to us on the road

I fear the Eagles and what their D will do to our O

crazyhorse · 10-24-2005, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Nothing new from you though, same elementary school smack. How you doing in spelling class?

reel good.

Faider

bloodsunday · 10-24-2005, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Guy

I learned that, not surprisingly, Eli Manning has suddenly become an elite QB.

Where do we get one of those? We apparently need one. We need a guy that is the heart and soul of this franchise. A guy that stands for all that is right about the team. Jake Plummer is not that guy. His demanor with the fans, the media, and everything else he does should tell us that. He is an okay QB, but this team needs more from that position, IMO.

yavoon · 10-24-2005, 06:15 AM

no tater tot?

bloodsunday · 10-24-2005, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorse

I learned the Donkos are the new faders of the AFC West.

I knew the Trolls would be out today. Congratuations guys, there is blood in the water. Go ahead and feast you maggots. What spinless jelly-fish you are to disappear when your team is losing and come back around when the other shoe falls.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 10-24-2005, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bloodsunday

Where do we get one of those? We apparently need one. We need a guy that is the heart and soul of this franchise. A guy that stands for all that is right about the team. Jake Plummer is not that guy. His demanor with the fans, the media, and everything else he does should tell us that. He is an okay QB, but this team needs more from that position, IMO.

Well, one way is to go 0-16 and get the first pick in the draft and then it is only a 50/50 proposition. I'm sure that would go over well with the fans.

And as for the trolls - wish TJ would put a perm ban on a couple of these idiot losers

bloodsunday · 10-24-2005, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Guy

Well, one way is to go 0-16 and get the first pick in the draft and then it is only a 50/50 proposition. I'm sure that would go over well with the fans

I hear ya. I know its not a sure fire thing. But ask yourself this: Is Jake Plummer, BVP, Matt Mauck, and Jarious Jackson a serious effort to find a franchise QB? The point is (at least to me) that they haven't even really looked. They are so busy thinking about the short term that the long term gets overlooked. I just don't see how they give Jake Plummer a contract that amounts to a two year trial and then they don't bring in a young guy that can challenge him. We had to pick up the 2nd part of that deal because we gave ourselves no other option.

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Originally Posted by Big Guy

And as for the trolls - wish TJ would put a perm ban on a couple of these idiot losers

Agreed. It's tiring letting them walk around here. If they could show a little respect and acknowledge the fact that this is a Denver Broncos fan board, then I would feel differently. But acting like morons on a day like today is classless.

crazyhorse · 10-24-2005, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bloodsunday

I knew the Trolls would be out today. Congratuations guys, there is blood in the water. Go ahead and feast you maggots. What spinless jelly-fish you are to disappear when your team is losing and come back around when the other shoe falls.

I've been here the whole time. Is that all you got?

bendog · 10-24-2005, 07:04 AM

I learned crazyhorse sucks ... oh wait I knew that.

clarker · 10-24-2005, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorse

I learned the Donkos are the new faders of the AFC West.

So what does that say about the Chiefs, since the Broncos killed the Chiefs?

Spider · 10-24-2005, 08:27 AM

Puts is working his ass off but he still isnt there ..........TE is what this team is lacking ..... but at least we didnt go run and shoot

Denver is moving the Ball very well without a dominate TE ......
Fixed alot of our redzone woes ......

Spider · 10-24-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorse

I learned the Donkos are the new faders of the AFC West.

... Chiefs have TE , yet they still lose ..... you realy dont want to go there after the Eagles game junior ...........

ak1971 · 10-24-2005, 09:22 AM

I learned to buy plastic beer bottles, as glass breaks glass windows....

Play2win · 10-24-2005, 09:36 AM

I learned that We still have a ways to go get enough respect in the league TO GET A DAMN HOLDING CALL!!!

I Learned that when we forget about running the ball to close out games, we make the games way to close and, sometimes, lose.

I learned that the Broncos need to find a way to not let teams back in the game in the forth quarter when we have been kicking their arse all day long.

I learned that I think forgot who Tatum Bell was, and that Mike Shanahan Definitely forgot who he was.

I Learned that, even when at home, I will never not wear my AL WILSON jersey ever again.

I learned that this loss was my fault because I didn't wear my Al Wilson Jersey...

ludo21 · 10-24-2005, 11:09 AM

*** Jake is capable of taking this team to the SB, but when we are ahead, their is no reason to duck away from the run that has been working so well.
*** Can we get a holding call please?
*** Putz is a great weapon, and we need to use him more.
*** Coyer obviously doesnt trust the young db's because playing off hurts us when we blitz.

elpasojoe · 10-24-2005, 05:12 PM

I learned that more than any other team over the years, this team is fodder for young quarterback "break out games," including Ryan Leaf, who this team made look like a future HOF just a few years ago. I will state that Sunday was different, as E. Manning will be an elite QB for years to come.

I learned that "Playing not to win" will eventually catch up with you and bite you in the behind.

I learned that Phil Simms was stupid when he said that quarterback pressures are as good as sacks. If you will remember early in the fourth quarter when Manning was facing all that pressure, he was less effective, throwing balls into the sidelines. He looked disgusted and was being beat up pretty good. He was limping and looked like he wanted to crawl back to mommy. Had one of those pressures had become a tough, hard sack I really believe he would have been done for the day. We would have finished him off just like the boxer who delivers the knockout blow. But instead we decided to start playing a "prevent defense" and without the pressure he was allowed a few short passes that eventually became longer passes, first down passes and eventually game winning passes. Our playcalling against him at the end of the game truly thrust his career.

I learned that in football terms, "playing not to win," "not being able to finish an opponent" and fading in the fourth quarter are all the same thing. I think we only need a couple of playmakers to really make this team special. Defensively, we need a D lineman that can close down that quarterback with a late sack. I feel that talent was there yesterday, but that isn't going to happen in a prevent defense. We stopped blitzing and Manning had a little more time to operate.

I am a fan of the Putz, but yesterday's game could had easily been closed with a McCaffrey or Sharpe in the lineup. But we don't have that type of player/closer anymore, or at least they are still developing. Rod Smith is, but we need another one on the field. I want to see someone who wants the ball, and when the ball is in the air, they will fight for it.

I have been getting sick of all the mock draft prognosticators who yearly predict that the Broncos will pick a tight end. They are starting to do it again, and maybe they are right. I know many of you want a stud tackle, a wide receiver or a safety including as one of those two tops picks. But if Leonard Pope of Mercedes Lewis are available when we pick, I hope they are ours. Thanks for letting me vent.

Hercules Rockefeller · 10-24-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jmz313

Seriously, was I the only person screaming holding on the 35 yd completion to burress in the 4th quarter (force out call). Blatant, holding the guy by his elbow with 2 hands after he beat the lineman. #66 of the giants should of been flagged big time.

That was one of the most blantat missed calls in the game. It looked the OL was holding onto Warren by the neck hole in his jersey.

I can understand missing the occasional holding that might be at the line with so many bodies so close together, but missing a blantant hold on the only DL getting pressure is entirely different.

10-23-2005, 09:58 PM	#1
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10-24-2005, 05:27 AM	#2
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	I learned that, not surprisingly, Eli Manning has suddenly become an elite QB.

10-24-2005, 05:31 AM	#3
Orange_Beard Over Jay Cutler Todd Snider Rules! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leucadia, CA Posts: 7,836 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tony Scheffler	We need to play 4 quarters. Getting out to a lead and holding on is not going to get in done.

10-24-2005, 05:57 AM	#6
jmz313 Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 982	I learned that: Holding is the new version of blocking. Broncos are not allowed in the same space as the opposing team Losing sucks much more when you own a team untill the last 10 minutes. Seriously, was I the only person screaming holding on the 35 yd completion to burress in the 4th quarter (force out call). Blatant, holding the guy by his elbow with 2 hands after he beat the lineman. #66 of the giants should of been flagged big time.

10-24-2005, 05:59 AM	#7
crazyhorse All Motor!! You can only hope to contain me Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,338	I learned the Donkos are the new faders of the AFC West.

10-24-2005, 06:04 AM	#9
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	I learned that our 4th qtr near collapses for the past 3 weeks finally caught up to us on the road I fear the Eagles and what their D will do to our O

10-24-2005, 06:15 AM	#12
yavoon Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,260	no tater tot?

10-24-2005, 07:04 AM	#17
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	I learned crazyhorse sucks ... oh wait I knew that.

10-24-2005, 08:27 AM	#19
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Puts is working his ass off but he still isnt there ..........TE is what this team is lacking ..... but at least we didnt go run and shoot Denver is moving the Ball very well without a dominate TE ...... Fixed alot of our redzone woes ......

10-24-2005, 09:22 AM	#21
ak1971 uhhhh Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,536	I learned to buy plastic beer bottles, as glass breaks glass windows....

10-24-2005, 09:36 AM	#22
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,610 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	I learned that We still have a ways to go get enough respect in the league TO GET A DAMN HOLDING CALL!!! I Learned that when we forget about running the ball to close out games, we make the games way to close and, sometimes, lose. I learned that the Broncos need to find a way to not let teams back in the game in the forth quarter when we have been kicking their arse all day long. I learned that I think forgot who Tatum Bell was, and that Mike Shanahan Definitely forgot who he was. I Learned that, even when at home, I will never not wear my AL WILSON jersey ever again. I learned that this loss was my fault because I didn't wear my Al Wilson Jersey...

10-24-2005, 11:09 AM	#23
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,906 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	* Jake is capable of taking this team to the SB, but when we are ahead, their is no reason to duck away from the run that has been working so well. * Can we get a holding call please? * Putz is a great weapon, and we need to use him more. * Coyer obviously doesnt trust the young db's because playing off hurts us when we blitz.

10-24-2005, 05:12 PM	#24
elpasojoe Solid Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: El Paso, TX, originally Ordway (southeast) Colorado Posts: 154	I learned that more than any other team over the years, this team is fodder for young quarterback "break out games," including Ryan Leaf, who this team made look like a future HOF just a few years ago. I will state that Sunday was different, as E. Manning will be an elite QB for years to come. I learned that "Playing not to win" will eventually catch up with you and bite you in the behind. I learned that Phil Simms was stupid when he said that quarterback pressures are as good as sacks. If you will remember early in the fourth quarter when Manning was facing all that pressure, he was less effective, throwing balls into the sidelines. He looked disgusted and was being beat up pretty good. He was limping and looked like he wanted to crawl back to mommy. Had one of those pressures had become a tough, hard sack I really believe he would have been done for the day. We would have finished him off just like the boxer who delivers the knockout blow. But instead we decided to start playing a "prevent defense" and without the pressure he was allowed a few short passes that eventually became longer passes, first down passes and eventually game winning passes. Our playcalling against him at the end of the game truly thrust his career. I learned that in football terms, "playing not to win," "not being able to finish an opponent" and fading in the fourth quarter are all the same thing. I think we only need a couple of playmakers to really make this team special. Defensively, we need a D lineman that can close down that quarterback with a late sack. I feel that talent was there yesterday, but that isn't going to happen in a prevent defense. We stopped blitzing and Manning had a little more time to operate. I am a fan of the Putz, but yesterday's game could had easily been closed with a McCaffrey or Sharpe in the lineup. But we don't have that type of player/closer anymore, or at least they are still developing. Rod Smith is, but we need another one on the field. I want to see someone who wants the ball, and when the ball is in the air, they will fight for it. I have been getting sick of all the mock draft prognosticators who yearly predict that the Broncos will pick a tight end. They are starting to do it again, and maybe they are right. I know many of you want a stud tackle, a wide receiver or a safety including as one of those two tops picks. But if Leonard Pope of Mercedes Lewis are available when we pick, I hope they are ours. Thanks for letting me vent.