The most important to our defense???? - The Orange Mane

Gcver2ver3 · 10-20-2005, 07:26 PM

Champ Bailey has been out a few games yet our secondary has played pretty well anyway....this makes me change my opinion on the defensive player we need the most on our defense...

So I ask my fellow knowledgable Bronco fans....

Who is the one player on defense we can least afford to lose?
Please feel free to throw in your second and third choices as well.

I say we can least afford to lose Trevor Pryce...he is a must for us...

honorable mention goes to #2 Al Wilson......#3 Champ Bailey

Garcia Bronco · 10-20-2005, 07:28 PM

Warren

Hercules Rockefeller · 10-20-2005, 07:29 PM

Pryce, followed by Warren

watermock · 10-20-2005, 07:30 PM

There is no one player more important than another on a defense...it's only as good as the sum of it's parts.

Gcver2ver3 · 10-20-2005, 07:32 PM

Warren is a must also....that's tough....I can't bump him for Pryce, Wilson, or Bailey though....

Warren has been a monster for us though....

listopencil · 10-20-2005, 07:45 PM

Lenny Walls.

Atlas · 10-20-2005, 07:52 PM

Champ. The Defense has played decent in his absence.... wait until he comes back!

Champ in the game Denver 28 NE 3
Champ out of the game Denver 0 NE 17

Denver's defensive scheme is largely run on what Champ can do. Hopefully he can play for the rest of the year and then the defense will not only get by but dominate.

Gcver2ver3 · 10-20-2005, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas

Champ. The Defense has played decent in his absence.... wait until he comes back!

Champ in the game Denver 28 NE 3
Champ out of the game Denver 0 NE 17

Denver's defensive scheme is largely run on what Champ can do. Hopefully he can play for the rest of the year and then the defense will not only get by but dominate.

That is a good take Atlas...

Bronx33 · 10-20-2005, 08:08 PM

Tiki Barber! ohhh wait a minute that's the bad guys....

Willynowei · 10-20-2005, 09:01 PM

Importance of Position on a Defense:

#1. Defensive Tackle
#2. Cornerback
#3. Defensive End
#4. Outside Linebacker
#5. Inside Linebacker
#6. Safety

Not to say that this means that Ekuban is worth more than DJ Williams. But all other things being equal, this is a good rubric to start from.

Keep in mind this is only in a 4-3 defense, Linebackers are key in a 3-4.

With that said my list runs as such.

1. Champ Bailey
2. Trevor Pryce
3. Gerard Warren
4. Darrent Williams
5. Al Wilson

Now I think we can argue from this that even though Champ is the single most important, we are only a 10-6 team (last year) without Trevor and Gerrard #s 2 and 3. Thus, almost any two on this list is in sum more important than any other.

But please, do look at Denver vs. KC stats before and after Champ, and Denver vs. New England stats before and after champ. And please think for a moment where we would be now without the interception Champ took to the house on Drew Brees.

Dr. Broncenstein · 10-20-2005, 09:03 PM

Pryce, Warren, Bailey, Gold....

ro_50 · 10-20-2005, 09:05 PM

Champ Bailey. Remember the Dolphins game as well. Wasnt it 7-3 when he went out.

His presence allows the Broncos to be aggressive.

Kaylore · 10-20-2005, 09:06 PM

I don't think you can say one player or possition is more important than another. I know it's cliche' to suggest that it's a team effort, but it is. We do have big playmakers at all three levels and veterans with leadership at all three levels. Some are both. That coupled with the youth and speed makes for a complete unit. The rest is execution.

watermock · 10-20-2005, 09:08 PM

Coyer

ludo21 · 10-20-2005, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

I don't think you can say one player or possition is more important than another. I know it's cliche' to suggest that it's a team effort, but it is. We do have big playmakers at all three levels and veterans with leadership at all three levels. Some are both. That coupled with the youth and speed makes for a complete unit. The rest is execution.

yepp!!

But id say if we lost Bailey for the year our D would go slowly get worse.

24champ · 10-20-2005, 09:51 PM

Champ nuff said.

wabbit · 10-20-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Pryce, followed by Warren

No doubt...whether or not Bailey plays.

sirhcyennek81 · 10-20-2005, 09:55 PM

Good without Bailey. Great with him. evidence the two halves of the Pats game. First half, with bailey, Patriots had a hard time doing anything. Second half, rookies galore, let some big plays develop downfield. Better with then without.

ludo21 · 10-20-2005, 09:59 PM

One thing we catn forget about the PAt game is our DL was getting mauled by their OL. Warren tackled, Pryce getting hugged everyplay was a huge reason the Pats had time to pick apart the secondary.

Hogan11 · 10-20-2005, 10:05 PM

Why Fergy of course...he's Mr. Ballhawk afterall and his whopping lifetime total of 2 INTs is what takes that secondary to a whole another level!!!!!!!

CHANGSTER · 10-20-2005, 10:22 PM

definitely Veal

most notrated player in the league.

whoever he is.

Ratboy · 10-20-2005, 10:25 PM

Our defensive line

wabbit · 10-20-2005, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHANGSTER

definitely Veal

most notrated player in the league.

whoever he is.

Not so sure he's the most important, but I gotta commend the coaching staff for finding this kid...he's good.

Atlas · 10-20-2005, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hogan11

Why Fergy of course...he's Mr. Ballhawk afterall and his whopping lifetime total of 2 INTs is what takes that secondary to a whole another level!!!!!!!

But he has one this year.

Hogan11 · 10-20-2005, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas

But he has one this year.

Further proof that miracles do indeed happen after all.

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10-20-2005, 07:26 PM	#1
Gcver2ver3 Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,629 Adopt-a-Bronco: not Lance Ball	The most important to our defense???? Champ Bailey has been out a few games yet our secondary has played pretty well anyway....this makes me change my opinion on the defensive player we need the most on our defense... So I ask my fellow knowledgable Bronco fans.... Who is the one player on defense we can least afford to lose? Please feel free to throw in your second and third choices as well. I say we can least afford to lose Trevor Pryce...he is a must for us... honorable mention goes to #2 Al Wilson......#3 Champ Bailey

10-20-2005, 07:28 PM	#2
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Warren

10-20-2005, 07:29 PM	#3
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Pryce, followed by Warren

10-20-2005, 07:30 PM	#4
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	There is no one player more important than another on a defense...it's only as good as the sum of it's parts.

10-20-2005, 07:32 PM	#5
Gcver2ver3 Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,629 Adopt-a-Bronco: not Lance Ball	Warren is a must also....that's tough....I can't bump him for Pryce, Wilson, or Bailey though.... Warren has been a monster for us though....

10-20-2005, 07:45 PM	#6
listopencil [sarcasm]text[/sarcasm] BOOM! Winner. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The People's Republic Of California Posts: 8,580 Adopt-a-Bronco: Broncos FO	Lenny Walls.

10-20-2005, 07:52 PM	#7
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	Champ. The Defense has played decent in his absence.... wait until he comes back! Champ in the game Denver 28 NE 3 Champ out of the game Denver 0 NE 17 Denver's defensive scheme is largely run on what Champ can do. Hopefully he can play for the rest of the year and then the defense will not only get by but dominate.

10-20-2005, 08:08 PM	#9
Bronx33 lets go partner Rumpson Rocks Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lakewood,Colo Posts: 41,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	Tiki Barber! ohhh wait a minute that's the bad guys....

10-20-2005, 09:01 PM	#10
Willynowei Some dude Football is a wonderful thing. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,798 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	Importance of Position on a Defense: #1. Defensive Tackle #2. Cornerback #3. Defensive End #4. Outside Linebacker #5. Inside Linebacker #6. Safety Not to say that this means that Ekuban is worth more than DJ Williams. But all other things being equal, this is a good rubric to start from. Keep in mind this is only in a 4-3 defense, Linebackers are key in a 3-4. With that said my list runs as such. 1. Champ Bailey 2. Trevor Pryce 3. Gerard Warren 4. Darrent Williams 5. Al Wilson Now I think we can argue from this that even though Champ is the single most important, we are only a 10-6 team (last year) without Trevor and Gerrard #s 2 and 3. Thus, almost any two on this list is in sum more important than any other. But please, do look at Denver vs. KC stats before and after Champ, and Denver vs. New England stats before and after champ. And please think for a moment where we would be now without the interception Champ took to the house on Drew Brees.

10-20-2005, 09:03 PM	#11
Dr. Broncenstein Overdriven Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sterile Fields Posts: 11,619 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Woodyard	Pryce, Warren, Bailey, Gold....

10-20-2005, 09:05 PM	#12
ro_50 Ring of Famer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somewhere in Jersey Posts: 3,782	Champ Bailey. Remember the Dolphins game as well. Wasnt it 7-3 when he went out. His presence allows the Broncos to be aggressive.

10-20-2005, 09:06 PM	#13
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,050 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	I don't think you can say one player or possition is more important than another. I know it's cliche' to suggest that it's a team effort, but it is. We do have big playmakers at all three levels and veterans with leadership at all three levels. Some are both. That coupled with the youth and speed makes for a complete unit. The rest is execution.

10-20-2005, 09:08 PM	#14
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Coyer

10-20-2005, 09:51 PM	#16
24champ Livin' the dream! Methwolfe Alliance Captain Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 18,546 Adopt-a-Bronco: DomCasual	Champ nuff said.

10-20-2005, 09:55 PM	#18
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,674 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Good without Bailey. Great with him. evidence the two halves of the Pats game. First half, with bailey, Patriots had a hard time doing anything. Second half, rookies galore, let some big plays develop downfield. Better with then without.

10-20-2005, 09:59 PM	#19
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,906 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	One thing we catn forget about the PAt game is our DL was getting mauled by their OL. Warren tackled, Pryce getting hugged everyplay was a huge reason the Pats had time to pick apart the secondary.

10-20-2005, 10:05 PM	#20
Hogan11 Rock-N-Roll Historian Let's take these SOB's out!!!!!! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: W.NY.B.C. Posts: 21,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Floyd Little	Why Fergy of course...he's Mr. Ballhawk afterall and his whopping lifetime total of 2 INTs is what takes that secondary to a whole another level!!!!!!!

10-20-2005, 10:25 PM	#22
Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,276	Our defensive line